What do you think of the NextGen Car?

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I love what I’m seeing. Contact doesn’t mean your body panel crumbled and all your aero is gone. Car is edgy and unpredictable. You can pull up on someone and pass. All major, major wins. Only negative is it seems flat tire(s) and being stopped seems to equate to a row and losing 2-3 laps. Hopefully they’ll get that worked out. I’ve gone from not attending to calling my ticket office for both races. I had basically written off Coke 600 due to 550 package, but now I’m back in.
 

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Yeah, what's with the overheating? Did the 23XI cars boil over, or just JGR?
I think just JGR...but that wasn't all....Denny said that they couldn't suck up like everybody else, and he was defeated early. After one huge pitstop it was a forgone conclusion that the places gained would once again be lost...and Gabehart confirmed that pessimism. There is an issue here. Gonna take some medicine here.
 

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I think just JGR...but that wasn't all....Denny said that they couldn't suck up like everybody else, and he was defeated early. After one huge pitstop it was a forgone conclusion that the places gained would once again be lost...and Gabehart confirmed that pessimism. There is an issue here. Gonna take some medicine here.
Yeah, I think *sucking up* is really only significant for a few laps, but most of the fast cars were making passes by throwing it into the corner.

I'm so happy to say that it FEELS like race issues can be fixed by handling again.

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They’ll figure it out. Growing pains. And, I think the last couple years we’ve seen that TRD’s biggest weakness is their sim software. Given their resources, I think they’ll get a grip on it.
We will see, or it will be a struggle. I can take it. Everybody had the same shot. Why do you think they lack in the sim software? Jazzy is one of the best in the business...that's why they chased him to come back when Pearn left.
 

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I am sold on the car as well. 100%. Don't need to see a 1.5 mile track. They're similar enough.

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Yeah, I think *sucking up* is really only significant for a few laps, but most of the fast cars were making passes by throwing it into the corner.

I'm so happy to say that it FEELS like race issues can be fixed by handling again.

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It's going to be fun to see.
 

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We will see, or it will be a struggle. I can take it. Everybody had the same shot. Why do you think they lack in the sim software? Jazzy is one of the best in the business...that's why they chased him to come back when Pearn left.
To follow up on my last comment, I think this is a lesser issue. I think they just missed the balance. This car seems all about handling again. Kyle Busch, the favorite, dropped like a rock until he lost it. Car was handling horribly, super loose, and I believe he he said it felt as if the right front wasn't low enough.

Sounds like handling issues. I doubt the 99, 43 or the 8 had the raw power or aero advantages the best ford's and chevies did. But they obviously handled exceptionally well. The fords seemed to have a lot of power.

I just think JGR whiffed on the balance. Nothing more.

The Penske cars are the scary ones right now. Logano and Blaney may have shown the most strength these first two races.

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They’ll figure it out. Growing pains. And, I think the last couple years we’ve seen that TRD’s biggest weakness is their sim software. Given their resources, I think they’ll get a grip on it.

Not being allowed to touch the new parts must include bondo, huh?
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I will say though I’m a little concerned about the amount of cautions today. 12 at Auto Club? I am all for this car, but I think they may need to replace every track that isn’t in top shape. Just too many cars snapping loose which could get dangerous
 

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I think just JGR...but that wasn't all....Denny said that they couldn't suck up like everybody else, and he was defeated early. After one huge pitstop it was a forgone conclusion that the places gained would once again be lost...and Gabehart confirmed that pessimism. There is an issue here. Gonna take some medicine here.
Bad engineering.
 

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They need to fix the issue with cars not being able to drive to pit road if a tire blows out.

Aside from that, I really enjoyed the racing I saw today. I thought I enjoyed the previous car's 550 hp package, but this car showed me I was wrong.

EDIT: I don't mind seeing the Toyota cars having overheating issues. :)
 

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Why can't these tires have inner liners? Goodyear makes a runflat street tire in a very low profile, so why can't they do something similar with a racing slick? With the bigger brake package, is there room to go down an inch in wheel size, which will allow a beefier sidewall?
 

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Two races in; a crap plate track with wad racing and Cali with a wore out surface and no practice.A lot of bugs to work out of this new car.
Too early to tell if this is a good car.
 

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Why can't these tires have inner liners? Goodyear makes a runflat street tire in a very low profile, so why can't they do something similar with a racing slick? With the bigger brake package, is there room to go down an inch in wheel size, which will allow a beefier sidewall?
maybe use 20 inch rims so they can drive on the rim back to the pits :growl:
 

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I doubt the 99, 43 or the 8 had the raw power or aero advantages the best ford's and chevies did. But they obviously handled exceptionally well.
Stars of the show. Suarez didn't show up until late but Reddick and Jones were up front all day, and Stenhouse for a large part of it. I'm not fond of the enforced parity of plate races but this car evens the field in ways that hopefully will shake up the standings across all types of tracks.
 

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I will say though I’m a little concerned about the amount of cautions today. 12 at Auto Club? I am all for this car, but I think they may need to replace every track that isn’t in top shape. Just too many cars snapping loose which could get dangerous
Did you see P&Q? 10 cautions (not counting stage breaks) was LESS than I anticipated. Most of them were single car. If NASCAR will solve the flat tire problem so a tow truck isn't needed, the length of the cautions will be shorter.
 

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Stars of the show. Suarez didn't show up until late but Reddick and Jones were up front all day, and Stenhouse for a large part of it. I'm not fond of the enforced parity of plate races but this car evens the field in ways that hopefully will shake up the standings across all types of tracks.
I think it will be a lot like the COT early years. The top teams will figure it out and gap the field, but I think you'll have a lot of mid to your teams have races like this. Not every week, but you may see someone unexpected in the top 10 rather frequently

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We will see, or it will be a struggle. I can take it. Everybody had the same shot. Why do you think they lack in the sim software? Jazzy is one of the best in the business...that's why they chased him to come back when Pearn left.
Because the 18 sucked out loud in the era of setting up the car based on sim instead of practice. I could have sworn that I heard or read comments from KyBu and others that the car drove nothing like the sim. This is completely anecdotal on my part and I cannot provide a link/source.
 

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Like what I'm seeing however Daytona is Daytona and Auto Club is a unique racetrack, multi groove and worn out. Vegas will give me a better idea but I think its a winner
Same. Like I said, I'm ready to call up the ticket office at Charlotte for the 600. I'd NEVER do that again under the old car and 550 package.
 

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Same. Like I said, I'm ready to call up the ticket office at Charlotte for the 600. I'd NEVER do that again under the old car and 550 package.
The racing world is excited and that makes me happy. I'll see you in Charlotte
 

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Because the 18 sucked out loud in the era of setting up the car based on sim instead of practice. I could have sworn that I heard or read comments from KyBu and others that the car drove nothing like the sim. This is completely anecdotal on my part and I cannot provide a link/source.
Cool. Thanks for being candid. So, here is the thing on that--just my two cents as well. Jeff Curtis (aka Jazzy) is big on sim development, and when FRR was absorbed by JGR, he went to Ganassi. Big loss. When Pearn bailed, and Small took over, he went out and got Jazzy back. Big gain. KB has bitched about the sim, but I am not sure that the sim is the issue so much as his interpretation of the sim is. He wants the seat time, and resents this new direction. While Kyle was bitching, Denny was winning, so I am not sure that the sim is the issue. TRD Salisbury is dedicated to the chassis and sim development. They have the resources (to your point), and I think they are fine in that area. I am not sure what the hell went on in race prep for Sunday, but next week has me very, very concerned. Love this.
 

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Hell man. Yesterday felt like a NASCAR race again.

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I don't know....It's always been NASCAR. The sport has ebbed and flowed in reaction to an unprecedented flood of information and technology. Never been one to advocate "good racing" as that is probably different for many. Appreciate what you see understanding that it will likely change. Constantly evolving....and it should.
 
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