What should Chads penalty be CHEATING AGAIN?

FenderBumper said:
Interesting. When I see the name Clinton, I don't think about politics. :oops:
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He thinks of George Clinton. P-FUNK!!! FTMFW!!!!!

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FenderBumper said:
Darby walks up and looks at the car and says "No good" after it had passed 4 times......and passed at the tech center? No way. HMS lost a top engineer, and Darby was tipped off. He couldn't resist the urge to show off, and failed to follow procedure. He should have waited until AFTER the car qualified or practiced, then documented the dimensions before letting them rip it off.
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Exactly
Just because a car passes tech doesn't make it "legal", it just proves a cc is at times smarter than the tech crew. DAMHIKT,,BTDT:)
 
Smoke14 said:
Not at all. Disappointed, yes!

Chad needs to go to the wood shed for a talk with his father.
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Haha, the old wood shed. I think NASCAR hurt themselves by not bringing the car to the templates on this for measurements. I think if Darby would have let the inspection process play out and confirm his suspicion on the car it would of stuck and they would've had a case. As for the whole appeals board, they need people with NASCAR experience and who understands the technicality of what's involved.
 
Well now that Middlebrook has gifted JJ some points it's not looking that bad for JJ, hell he gained 12 positions in points and moved up to 11th! If it was'nt for Daytona the first four races of the year would probably have him leading the points:
Daytona - 42nd
Phoenix - 4th
Las Vegas - 2nd
Bristol - 9th
Nice Job Jimmie!

Who was it I had the beer bet with anyway???
 
robbybee said:
The ONLY cars you won't see that on are the cars driven by the S&P drivers...

It just depends on your definition of cheating in NA$$CAR, I suppose.
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Don't forget Carl Long He tried bringing the big block to cup, lol...They all "cheat". I love how ESPN and them act surprised when something like this happens. When do you think the last time we saw a 100% legal racecar anyway?
 
I'm really suprised by how many here seem to think zero tolerance applies to a car before it hits the track, this is just absurd you can't penalize a car before it hits the track! If a car fails pre inspection simply send them home fix the car then come back, the end. Seriously what happens if a new small team makes an honest mistake, they take the car to the track it fails inspection and before they even run their first race they are fined into bankruptsy, this could happen.
 
Dwayne said:
I'm really suprised by how many here seem to think zero tolerance applies to a car before it hits the track, this is just absurd you can't penalize a car before it hits the track! If a car fails pre inspection simply send them home fix the car then come back, the end. Seriously what happens if a new small team makes an honest mistake, they take the car to the track it fails inspection and before they even run their first race they are fined into bankruptsy, this could happen.
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gee, just imaging if EVERYONE CHEATED...brought ANYTHING they wanted to the race track ...It would take days to get through inspection. That's why we have rules grasshopper
 
Bucky Badger said:
gee, just imaging if EVERYONE CHEATED...brought ANYTHING they wanted to the race track ...It would take days to get through inspection. That's why we have rules grasshopper
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Nascar has this claw thing that fit's over the car they can tell very quickly if a car doesn't fit so your reply does not apply...lol :punkrocke And my point still stands what if a small team brings a car to the track for the first time, fails inspection and fined out of buisness before they run their first race. This is also part of the reason we only have 46 or fewer cars showing up at the track, we used to have 50 plus every race but who wants to spend that kind of money just to be fined out of buisness before you even get a chance to run.
 
Dwayne said:
Nascar has this claw thing that fit's over the car they can tell very quickly if a car doesn't fit so your reply does not apply...lol :punkrocke And my point still stands what if a small team brings a car to the track for the first time, fails inspection and fined out of buisness before they run their first race. This is also part of the reason we only have 46 or fewer cars showing up at the track, we used to have 50 plus every race but who wants to spend that kind of money just to be fined out of buisness before you even get a chance to run.
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Grasshopper, you have a lot to learn..
 
Bucky Badger said:
Grasshopper, you have a lot to learn..
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Umm no I don't but I am confused, I've done a bunch of searching to find out how long it takes to do a initial inspection and what I've found in several articles is that nascar does not penalize teams for failing initial inspections they tell them what's wrong send them back to the garage to fix the car no harm no foul.
 
Dwayne said:
Umm no I don't but I am confused, I've done a bunch of searching to find out how long it takes to do a initial inspection and what I've found in several articles is that nascar does not penalize teams for failing initial inspections they tell them what's wrong send them back to the garage to fix the car no harm no foul.
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You may need to do a little more research on this. A great place is jayski.com's penalty page. You find other examples of initial inspection failure and what has been done in the past.

Here's a little flashback to 2003. Keep in mind this is only one example.....

Hendrick Motorsports Team Penalized: NASCAR officials announced today that car owner Rick Hendrick has been assessed a penalty of 25 car owner points, resulting from a rule violation involving Hendrick Motorsports’ #60 Chevrolet [which will be the #84 in 2004 - see story below] during the NASCAR Winston Cup Series season-finale weekend at Homestead-Miami Speedway. The #60 was slated to be driven at Homestead by Kyle Busch. The car failed to pass the event’s initial inspection process on Nov. 13 and was confiscated by NASCAR, which led to the team not participating. The car was found to be in violation of Section 12-4-Q of the NASCAR Winston Cup Series Rule Book (parts and/or equipment used that do not conform to NASCAR rules). The #60’s rear-window opening exceeded the diagonal specification.(NASCAR PR)(12-17-2003)


I'm not doing anymore homework today. ;)
 
Dwayne said: ↑
Nascar has this claw thing that fit's over the car they can tell very quickly if a car doesn't fit so your reply does not apply...lol :punkrocke And my point still stands what if a small team brings a car to the track for the first time, fails inspection and fined out of buisness before they run their first race. This is also part of the reason we only have 46 or fewer cars showing up at the track, we used to have 50 plus every race but who wants to spend that kind of money just to be fined out of buisness before you even get a chance to run.​
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Dwayne said:
Umm no I don't but I am confused, I've done a bunch of searching to find out how long it takes to do a initial inspection and what I've found in several articles is that nascar does not penalize teams for failing initial inspections they tell them what's wrong send them back to the garage to fix the car no harm no foul.
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Make up your mind
 
Dwayne said:
Umm no I don't but I am confused, I've done a bunch of searching to find out how long it takes to do a initial inspection and what I've found in several articles is that nascar does not penalize teams for failing initial inspections they tell them what's wrong send them back to the garage to fix the car no harm no foul.
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I'm with you on this, Dwayne. IMO, NASCAR needs to explain why that isn't always the procedure. NASCAR doesn't seem to be consistant on some issues, so pointing to past inconsistancies with no explaination doesn't make much sense. I would like to know how NASCAR decides whether or not to allow a team the chance to fix a problem found in initial inspection without penalty.

The JGR oil pans were a clear aero advantage, but they were allowed to fix it without penalty. The pans were CLEARLY "parts that do not conform to NASCAR rules" because JGR was forced to remove them, just as HMS was forced to remove the C-covers. What's the difference? Is it that the oil pans aren't part of the car BODY? Does NASCAR make that distinction when deciding to penalise a team with no chance to change the part?

We can assume, but does anyone have the facts?
 
FenderBumper said:
Wow, Dwayne points out a confusing inconsistancy by NASCAR, and you think he can't make up his mind? :rolleyes:

Isn't it NASCAR that needs to make up their mind?
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FenderBumper said:
I'm with you on this, Dwayne. IMO, NASCAR needs to explain why that isn't always the procedure. NASCAR doesn't seem to be consistant on some issues, so pointing to past inconsistancies with no explaination doesn't make much sense. I would like to know how NASCAR decides whether or not to allow a team the chance to fix a problem found in initial inspection without penalty.

The JGR oil pans were a clear aero advantage, but they were allowed to fix it without penalty. The pans were CLEARLY "parts that do not conform to NASCAR rules" because JGR was forced to remove them, just as HMS was forced to remove the C-covers. What's the difference? Is it that the oil pans aren't part of the car BODY? Does NASCAR make that distinction when deciding to penalise a team with no chance to change the part?

We can assume, but does anyone have the facts?
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The teams were told NOT to mess with the BODY of the cars...period.
 
FenderBumper said:
OK, that's what I'm looking for, and all I found was "don't mess with the CARS aero".

Do you have a link to something that specefies BODY? Thanks.
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ummm no, but when the COT came out that what was talked about on every race program..I see you didn't post a link;)
 
Bucky Badger said:
ummm no, but when the COT came out that what was talked about on every race program..I see you didn't post a link;)
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Here ya' go, Bucky....

"Streamlining the contours of the CAR, beyond that approved by the Series Director, will not be permitted. ... If, in the judgment of NASCAR officials, any part or component of the car not previously approved by NASCAR that has been installed or modified to enhance aerodynamic performance will not be permitted."

......I don't see 'BODY' specified, so without a link, I'll assume you pulled that out of some portable dark place.
 
Good article from ESPN with some details on COT body infractions. You can take it for what it's worth but it shows that body manipulation is not tolerated.....

Link.
 
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