When will we have another multitime champion? Hampered legacies of Kyle Busch and Kevin Harvick

I do believe that Joey is better than people think. I do not believe that he is as good as Kyle Busch. Kyle is extremely smart. He takes what the car gives him but the difference is that he is screaming profanities while doing do. Do not allow this to cloud your judgment. Look at all of the top 5's & 10's. I am not trying to take anything away from what Joey did, but if there is a person in existence who didn't understand that Martin was done, they have no clue about this sport. I mean was Joey 2-4 tenths better on the short run? Probably. I am not trying to be a dick or anything--this is your moment, but take it easy---Joey is one year removed from not even winning. Success in this business is fleeting.

 

Joey won because of the caution.

 

I believe they call that racing, it happens sometimes, sometimes not. It really helps when you can pass two other cars to get a win.

 

For you and @SlicedBread22
My comment about Kyle Busch "technically" being this year's champion was in reference to him apparently being number one under the normal points format.

 

I didn't see your post that way. There is an * besides Busch's championship for some..and the most brilliant come back in the world for others on the other end of the scale. I was having fun with the tin foilers that find a conspiracy in almost everything. That's why I said I don't believe either that Harvick got by with that spoiler all year or that Nascar looked the other way when inspecting Busch's car.

 

I knew what you meant.. just saying technically is not the right word there because technically Joey won it.

 

It has been that way for 14 years, every since they changed the points system. More often than not the champ wouldn't have won if using the traditional? (old) points system. On one of his interviews Stewart said he was thinking about replacing the old wood bleacher seats at Eldora with brand new aluminum ones. He said he got to thinking about all of the fans that had been sitting in the same numbered seat for 20 years and he changed his mind about replacing them. Stuff like that needs to be thought about.

 

I think he's as good as any driver out there. Always have. If you think that comment is bad you should have seen me in 2013.. and that was BEFORE he was a champion lol hell it was before he had 3 series wins

 

Yeah. It's exciting from the entertainment perspective but it definitely feels watered down. Busch's championship soured me to this Homestead Bowl thing, Johnson's added to it and Logano's championship was the final straw.

 

That's his plan and what I hope for, but everyone knows DeLena wears the firesuit in that family...

 

Nope. A)Harvick didn't win the Championship, NASCAR nailed them. I mean, Rodney's excuse was that everybody else was doing it in Kansas. LOL. That's awesome. You have 2 tenths on the field, but you had to play along just because everybody else was doing it? ....and you did it just once? Sounds like a teenager caught with a joint. One of my favorite Rodneyisms. The other thing that you continually ignore is that this infraction (LOL) was dire. NASCAR was pissed. The last thing they wanted to do was to strip a contender of a win that would take him to the show....and jettison his crew chief. The body of work for the 4 is easily enough to say that what we saw was not what we should have been seeing. I mean two encumbered wins? C'mon man.

 

Naw, didn't say the comment was bad....just disagree. You know how we both roll...... I think that if you gave an owner the pick of the field, I don't think that Joey would be the first. Just don't. He would be up there, but not the first. I see him as Truex-like.....and I love Truex. I see Kyle Busch, Delana's wife, and Brad as the best in NASCAR right now. Joey probably leads the second tier--or maybe tier 1b with Martin.

 

you can make up any story ya want. But I think it is going to get worse for ya next year. The Yotas will have one less car than this year, and in a sport of numbers, the Fords recently have been expanding.

 

No question on the Manufacturers Championship front, WE will be in trouble. Really, only four cars able to fight. However, we will have all of those cute aero ducts to keep everybody bunched, so WE will win our share of races....I think....or we should....or that's the plan....Who knows though?....Matt D. could be the next Amirola......

 

Speaking of getting nailed? Although the wrath of Nascar did not come upon them, quiet as it has been kept the 18 car almost got lapped? Hard to be that bad. I would think something was changed, they fell off the map, and they got to keep their crew chief and weasel Joe got them the best pit stall.. And some who are saying waa they ran all race 1-4, I wonder what race they were watching?

 

Kyle should have won because of the caution but had no car. A bad day blows the whole season

 

They almost got lapped because they threw a Hail Mary. You know that. Car was bad. They were aggressive in their set up. It went the wrong way. When you are chasing an illegal spoiler, you do things. Had they known that the Cheating Bully had come back to earth, I wonder what that car might have been. Make no mistake, they were chasing the 4--they just didn't know how illegal it was. Martin was better because Cole Pearn is a genius. Joey reaped the rewards of all of this by having a consistent car with a consistent game plan. He had nothing to lose, and won it all. Rodney was the straw that stirred the drink....he just didn't realize where the straw would end up for him.

 

I still have my Regular Season Champion hat.

 

The spoiler blame angle. whatever works for ya man. Threw a hail Mary? is that another name for desperation?

 

Yes.

 

I do agree with that. Not defending NASCAR, this is just what i see happening

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Back on topic, Making the final four is about the same as a multiple choice question. Sooner or later if you make it in with a one out of four chance of guessing the right answer, you are statistically assured of a win. As it is, if next year if the same four make it in there will be for sure a multi win champion crowned. Before next season with this points system, I can almost guarantee at least two of the same cars will be in the final four and probably three. Pretty predictable at this point and they haven't taken a green flag yet.

 

Joey is better than Truex. IMO

 

It took the Bread kid 11 years to win the championship, next year the competition will be tougher.

 

Yeah, it'll be harder to win multiple championships. It's hard enough to get there with the constant resets, but ultimately coming down to a winner-take-all race is the toughest part. As much as they aim to be like stick-and-ball, the only major professional sport in America that has a one-game championship is the NFL. MLB, NBA, NHL all have best-of-7 championship series that at least make it more likely that the better overall team wins the whole thing. It's much easier for some fluky, random outcomes to happen in a lone match.

 

I agree. I'm not a big fan of the current format as many. Imagine a driver pointing his way into the final race. Then finishing 2nd in the finale with the other 3 drivers finishing behind him. Highly unlikely but possible. So the driver wins the championship without winning a race all year while 2 other drivers won 8 races each during the year. How well would that go over with fans and how would Nascar handle the possible fallout as a result of those results?

 

It was 10 years.. that began when he was only 18 years old... has part of the competition.. if they're tougher he will be too.. I actually think this package will benefit Joey quite a bit

 

Oh, haha. Actually, Joey won it.

 

Next year is gonna be a great way to gauge which one is better.
Imo, ofc I am gonna say Truex every time.

 

Me neither. Personally, I'd say with a title or with no title, Kyle's comeback in 2015 was mightily impressive. In less races, he still won more than anyone else.
Harvick was bad fast all year long, fluke spoiler or no fluke spoiler.

 

Well you got yours in 15 when it shouldn’t have happened, so now I think it’s fair to call him a Champion because he actually had a championship year. So be happy he actually has one.

 

Well if we're gonna see mini Dega races every week.. compare their stats at plate tracks for a glimpse

 

Is it somehow a problem to follow the sanctioning body rules ?

 

Providing that Martin has a car that isn't 2 tenths slower than the Fords

 

I just saw this....I’m not much older than you. I’m 33 so I remember the late 80’s somewhat but remember the 90’s and early 00’s real well. To say most of us won’t remember the old point system, not sure if I buy it if there’s more out there my age who wish we had a full season championship. I’m also not sure changing it back to a full season championship can’t not help, maybe it won’t in the long run. But NASCAR was humming along fine until all this postseason Chase stuff happened. It’s a shame we have to gear things toward people’s short attention span now, god forbid they have to take their eyes off their mobile device for more than 5 minutes.

 

Fair. I would love to see a debate on this topic between you and @Truex_rox. Not a stupid argument, but a true debate. I think this comparison is an interesting one. I am not sure that I don't disagree with you, but both drivers have really come from a couple of different angles to get where they are. Good stuff.

 

new Mustang baby! and she looks fast.

 

Why don't the local Nascar tracks across the nation have the Chase format?

 

They should, start em young......

 

I'll answer that question for you, it doesn't work, no local track would want it and neither would the drivers.