Xfinity Restrictor Plates confirmed @ Indy and beyond..... probably to Cup too

dpkimmel2001 said:
You'd have to admit though that back when Evel Knievel jumped the Snake River Canyon, that had to be a close 2nd to this.
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The world was much smaller then and Evel was the man. IDK if the rigged they chutes to deploy immediately on take off but it was a fun build up.
 
FLRacingFan said:
I'm trying to understand the excuseapalooza for running restrictor plates rather than trying the infield road course.

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Because 40 stock cars trying to make a 90 degree turn with 0 banking at the end of a .6 mile straightaway is a terrible idea. The Indycar guys can't get through there clean and that's with 25 cars.
 
FLRacingFan said:
If they keep the current aero I don't see how they're going to get drafting and slingshots. These cars don't seem to generate much drag anywhere now. Unless they do something in conjunction with the plates they'll just look abnormally slow and easy to drive.
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Me thinks they could draft on the front/backstretches. But they'll still be going sing-file through the turns.
 
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Acs said:
I don't get this level of extreme hate. Nobody has any idea how this will work, stop the bitching until we see the results. Or is this just yet another case of people seeing "Restrictor plates?!?!? Hurrr durrr not real racing Daytona sux omg go to IRP". Just like when we get a legit caution in a race from someone pounding the wall and the race thread blows up with "OMG illegitimate debris BS brian france sucks for interrupting my 180 lap green flag nap 4 second leads are real racing". Restrictor plates, caution, I think those are three words that just trigger delusional levels of hate within a small section of fans. I wonder what else will trigger them? Guess what, IRP isn't happening, and plate racing is popular, get over it.
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I don't think there is anything close to resembling hate for plates but there is a contingent of fans, including myself, that doesn't care much for plate racing. Instead of using gimmicks like plates a lot of us would rather see the proper car matched with the proper tracks.

I haven't heard anyone complain about a caution being called when a car hits the wall and leaves debris on the track. Since stage racing has been implemented Nascar has decided not to call bogus cautions which has been great.

You can't blame a lot of the fans for being skeptical of Nascar's decision making as it has been quite poor in the past 20 years. Plate racing was awful at NH and at the current tracks is essentially a long boring parade of cars punctuated by big wrecks as cars can't pass on their own. A big reason why plate racing is popular is because there are people who like seeing the big wrecks and they are disappointed if there aren't at least 3 per plate race.
 
I'm sorry, you're wrong. I actively hate plate racing.

I'm with you for most of the rest, except maybe the part about matching the cars to the track. The tracks should be matched to the cars, not the other way around. If the cars don't suit the track, especially in terms of racing without endangering the fans, then the track shouldn't be on the schedule, regardless of how historic.
 
I wish MIS had restrictor plates honestly. But you also have tons of space there and the ability with a draft to run multiple grooves.

Indy has one groove on the corners. Essentially you'll have a ton of maneuvering down the long straights, and then a wrestling match on each turn to get to that bottom

Also one thing we have to realize is that we're racing purists on here, but the majority of non diehards absolutely love plate racing hence the excitement around Talledega and Daytona races


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Mispeedway15 said:
I wish MIS had restrictor plates honestly. But you also have tons of space there and the ability with a draft to run multiple grooves.

Indy has one groove on the corners. Essentially you'll have a ton of maneuvering down the long straights, and then a wrestling match on each turn to get to that bottom

Also one thing we have to realize is that we're racing purists on here, but the majority of non diehards absolutely love plate racing hence the excitement around Talledega and Daytona races


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Again, it will not be Daytona or Talladega. The only way I could see this being remotely like the plate racing we know is if they bring back the wicker bill package that punched a massive hole in the air for drafting/passing.
 
Mispeedway15 said:
Also one thing we have to realize is that we're racing purists on here, but the majority of non diehards absolutely love plate racing hence the excitement around Talledega and Daytona races.
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This really gets exaggerated. Plate races are slightly more popular than the bulk of the schedule. The ratings for last year's Talladega Chase race (an 'elimination race'), decreased by more than most Chase races and were only about 10% higher than the Kansas race the week prior. The spring race hit 20 year lows. The Brickyard 400 got excellent numbers compared to this. I wouldn't call that representative of non-diehard fans loving and being excited about plate racing. There can be no modern evidence to suggest what ratings would be for some kind of non-plate Talladega and Daytona events. In general, the bigger tracks attract better ratings. Short tracks like Martinsville get low numbers, which is unfortunate and depressing.
 
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Acs said:
I don't get this level of extreme hate. Nobody has any idea how this will work, stop the bitching until we see the results. Or is this just yet another case of people seeing "Restrictor plates?!?!? Hurrr durrr not real racing Daytona sux omg go to IRP". Just like when we get a legit caution in a race from someone pounding the wall and the race thread blows up with "OMG illegitimate debris BS brian france sucks for interrupting my 180 lap green flag nap 4 second leads are real racing". Restrictor plates, caution, I think those are three words that just trigger delusional levels of hate within a small section of fans. I wonder what else will trigger them? Guess what, IRP isn't happening, and plate racing is popular, get over it.
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Nope this move is pure bull****. The dumbasses want full throttle flat out RP pack racing at Indianapolis, cause the racing there ain't worth a damn, plain and simple.
They have already tried reduced horse power and higher downforce, to patch up the **** show, and just keep digging deeper

And the ill advised lowering of the HP which wasn't a safety mandate was as dumbass as this move too.
They just dont have the simple integrity to admit a failure like Indianapolis, one that is obvious to almost everyone. In spite of the packed Memorial days, contrasted by family members, employees and die hards only for August.
About as shameless as anyone could be for some delusional prestige.

As a bad as a prostitute, that just professes to give a damn about real racing while cashing the checks.
Or idiots that dont know it's ass from a hole in the ground.
Probably a little of both.

IMO.
 
I still say we go with my idea of creating some sort of temporary banking with like 45 degrees ominous each turn
 
29-4 said:
I like this. There has to be a way
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I have no idea what my phone autocorrected to ominous, but I feel like some sort of sheeting could be created you roll it out and bolt it on.
 
Greg said:
As a bad as a prostitute, that just professes to give a damn about real racing while cashing the checks.
Or idiots that dont know it's ass from a hole in the ground.
Probably a little of both.
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Greg, Greg, Greg, Greg……………………… Dude……

Ya ain’t never gonna get ta be a rich, famous ‘n self important motorsports entertainment journalist with that kinda attitude.
 
The racing at Indy can't get any worse so why not try something new I guess. Indy just isn't fit for stock cars. It's an open wheel track and always will be. Nascar can pretend it's a prestigious race all they want but it's not in the Nascar world. If it were the stands wouldn't be 75% empty.
 
R Clarence said:
Greg, Greg, Greg, Greg……………………… Dude……

Ya ain’t never gonna get ta be a rich, famous ‘n self important motorsports entertainment journalist with that kinda attitude.
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I prefer poor then.
 
Stewart Fan said:
The racing at Indy can't get any worse so why not try something new I guess. Indy just isn't fit for stock cars. It's an open wheel track and always will be. Nascar can pretend it's a prestigious race all they want but it's not in the Nascar world. If it were the stands wouldn't be 75% empty.
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75% is probably being generous.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
I'm sorry, you're wrong. I actively hate plate racing.

I'm with you for most of the rest, except maybe the part about matching the cars to the track. The tracks should be matched to the cars, not the other way around. If the cars don't suit the track, especially in terms of racing without endangering the fans, then the track shouldn't be on the schedule, regardless of how historic.
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IDK how you guys can hate things as hate and jealousy have to be the 2 biggest wasted emotions!!! I am good with matching car to track or track to car as long as they can have some interesting tracks with a car that is not heavily aero dependent. With plates coming to non plate tracks I suppose Nascar is throwing in the towel and has decided to keep the cars artificially glued together.
 
Remember where they basically added parachute to the car in 2015?

That high downforce package was a bomb, but I still give credit to NASCAR for trying something. I just hope they go on the road course and be done with it because the attendance has been abysmal for years and the on track product is not that great.
 
Speedbowl14 said:
Because 40 stock cars trying to make a 90 degree turn with 0 banking at the end of a .6 mile straightaway is a terrible idea. The Indycar guys can't get through there clean and that's with 25 cars.
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I'll take the chance of a first-lap incident over a restrictor plate snoozer. They should be able to withstand contact down there more anyways.
 
One other thing ,RP racing at Indianapolis will be inheritly more dangerous.

First the fans: An RP pack of cars at Indianapolis will be heading into corners, all 4 of them bookending those 5/8th mile short chutes. They will be far more tighter and treacherous than the apexes on the front straights at Talladega and Daytona.

In spite of those apexes being softer and more like a 45 degree turn, verses an Indianapolis 90°, several cars have been hooked and yawed into flight.
That problem will intensify exponentially at Indianapolis.
-Each corner is more dangerous, with four a lap verses one at the other RPs.
Barring cautions, the racing hook and yaw opportunities at Talladega are 188 per race, 200 at Daytona, and 640 per race at Indianapolis.
And again those corners will be much tighter and subjected to demands of momentum racing. The Accordion effect will be far more unforgiving.

I sincerely hope they will at least restrict and close off those bookending bleachers and remove the soft landing zones. They cant fill them up anyway, just keep all fans near the flag. To do otherwise would be criminal negligence.

And the drivers will definitely be more at risk verses those catch fence cables. Just take a look at the Austin Dillion flip at Daytona a few years ago.
When one of those cars gets inverted enough to hit at the wrong angle, no COT technology, HANS, ot Lajoie seat will save a driver verses the shredding.
It will be some horrendous decapitation, mandated by idiots.

Next time Nascar brags about caring about safety and the innovations, I hope folks remember the foolishness of this choice. There are so many available tracks for better racing, and most definitely safer.

I like the real native danger of speed, not this type of crap.
 
Greg said:
One other thing ,RP racing at Indianapolis will be inheritly more dangerous.

First the fans: An RP pack of cars at Indianapolis will be heading into corners, all 4 of them bookending those 5/8th mile short chutes. They will be far more tighter and treacherous than the apexes on the front straights at Talladega and Daytona.

In spite of those apexes being softer and more like a 45 degree turn, verses an Indianapolis 90°, several cars have been hooked and yawed into flight.
That problem will intensify exponentially at Indianapolis.
-Each corner is more dangerous, with four a lap verses one at the other RPs.
Barring cautions, the racing hook and yaw opportunities at Talladega are 188 per race, 200 at Daytona, and 640 per race at Indianapolis.
And again those corners will be much tighter and subjected to demands of momentum racing. The Accordion effect will be far more unforgiving.

I sincerely hope they will at least restrict and close off those bookending bleachers and remove the soft landing zones. They cant fill them up anyway, just keep all fans near the flag. To do otherwise would be criminal negligence.

And the drivers will definitely be more at risk verses those catch fence cables. Just take a look at the Austin Dillion flip at Daytona a few years ago.
When one of those cars gets inverted enough to hit at the wrong angle, no COT technology, HANS, ot Lajoie seat will save a driver verses the shredding.
It will be some horrendous decapitation, mandated by idiots.

Next time Nascar brags about caring about safety and the innovations, I hope folks remember the foolishness of this choice. There are so many available tracks for better racing, and most definitely safer.

I like the real native danger of speed, not this type of crap.
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Physics is the law. It ALWAYS wins.

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29-4 said:
It won't produce pack racing of the side-by-side variety because there is only one groove. It will produce a freight-train single file for 160 laps. Perhaps this is what Chex meant.
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Not sure about that.
They will be slower and have a harder time clearing each other as well.
Slower speeds might permit more managable grooves or lanes.

Besides pack racing is the primary motive, they will rewrite aero rules to pursue the desired RP goals.
 
jws926 said:
Welp, looks like I have something to tell them in the "is there anything else you would like to share with us" in the FC Survey for this week.
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You people still believe anyone looks at submitted surveys? Nothing more than a facade.
 
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