Someone is going to die in these cars!!!

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Hello there I am posting at the peak of Hurricane Ian I am surrounded by two women right now life is good šŸ˜ˆ

Anyway.... Bowman the Showman who is in his 20s just succumbed to the Gen 7 car after our living legend... The Last Man to Race Against Dale Earnhardt, Kurt Busch did..... these Gen 7 cars are unsafe.

With young dudes like Noah Gragson coming out and being like ā€œOMG I hate these carsā€ how far will nascar take these cars before revamping them with safety features? This is a gross let-go by nascar right now. I donā€™t want my favorite drivers like Kevin Harvick, Denny Hamlin and Kyle Busch to get murdered by a terrible car. NASCAR get on your ****!!!

Sorry Iā€™m hammered but let discussion commence šŸ˜ˆ
 
ā€œBowman trying to block šŸ¤” HE GETS INTO THE 20!!!!ā€

If Alex Bowman cant be the superstar he was before this I will be so mad..... Iā€™ve been watching Bowman and he deserves the stage.
 
I smile when this dude posts. We need more drunk and coke fueled posts around here. I give this fella massive props, heā€™s about to have a threesome and he makes the responsible decision to post on Racing-Forums.com before the intimacy begins. Respect
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E&J Vanilla to be exact...

But to keep things relevant. Raw talent.

Kyle Busch > Larson> Logano > Keselowski > Chastain

Chase Elliott 6th
 
E&J Vanilla to be exact...

But to keep things relevant. Raw talent.

Kyle Busch > Larson> Logano > Keselowski > Chastain

Chase Elliott 6th
Kyle Busch is Uber talented, but his talents have been hyperbolized throughout his career. Gordon, Stewart, Johnson and Larson are all contemporaries of his who have shown higher levels of talent imo.

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Kyle Busch is Uber talented, but his talents have been hyperbolized throughout his career. Gordon, Stewart, Johnson and Larson are all contemporaries of his who have shown higher levels of talent imo.

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Yeah.... but Kyle Busch is the constant in NASCAR. It doesnā€™t upset me when people insist one of those are better than him..... but when people start insisting Tyler Reddick is better than Kyle Busch that crosses a line. KFB in the 8 is a championship contender. KFB in the 18 gets his engines sabotaged. Tyler Reddick in the 8 only has won 3 races instead of the 6 he couldā€™ve won..... dude has a Top 3 car in the field but is too inexperienced to do anything but get knocked out in the Round of 16. Kyle Busch wouldnā€™t have.... because he wouldnā€™t have blown a tire at Fontana sweating Erik Jonesā€™ 43 car nor would he have let Chase Briscoe get close enough to dump him at the dirt track.
 
No one wants anyone to die

but there is a risk
drivers get paid a lot of money to do what they do
football players get paid a lot too
the risk is accepted

it doesnā€™t need to be a 20 year career
get in make your money and get out

racing is dangerous, football is dangerous
driving to work is not so dangerous, but people do die going to work every day

do something long enough the risks catch up to you
 
No one wants anyone to die

but there is a risk
drivers get paid a lot of money to do what they do
football players get paid a lot too
the risk is accepted

it doesnā€™t need to be a 20 year career
get in make your money and get out

racing is dangerous, football is dangerous
driving to work is not so dangerous, but people do die going to work every day

do something long enough the risks catch up to you
While drivers and football players are handsomely compensated for their services, making the conditions around these athletes as safe as modern technology and always evolving injury protocol, possibly can is paramount. We saw that last night in the game with Tua, there was a breakdown in protocol that frankly is inexcusable. The cars these drivers are competing in weekly have a weakness in them that needs to be addressed yesterday. I donā€™t think the amount of money being made makes failing safety protocols or questionable at best safety equipment (the next gen) a valid rationalization. Sadly I think your line of thinking is outdated and fails to recognize that the drivers that bring you entertainment on raceday are human beings with families and a future out of the car.
 
While drivers and football players are handsomely compensated for their services, making the conditions around these athletes as safe as modern technology and always evolving injury protocol, possibly can is paramount. We saw that last night in the game with Tua, there was a breakdown in protocol that frankly is inexcusable. The cars these drivers are competing in weekly have a weakness in them that needs to be addressed yesterday. I donā€™t think the amount of money being made makes failing safety protocols or questionable at best safety equipment (the next gen) a valid rationalization. Sadly I think your line of thinking is outdated and fails to recognize that the drivers that bring you entertainment on raceday are human beings with families and a future out of the car.
I agree with everything you said
 
I posted this a few weeks back, but I think itā€™s the symmetry of the car doing this. This car doesnā€™t have that side to yaw out on and slow it down to crash.

Thatā€™s why youā€™re seeing so many awkward hits and bumper first ones
 
Yeah.... but Kyle Busch is the constant in NASCAR. It doesnā€™t upset me when people insist one of those are better than him..... but when people start insisting Tyler Reddick is better than Kyle Busch that crosses a line. KFB in the 8 is a championship contender. KFB in the 18 gets his engines sabotaged. Tyler Reddick in the 8 only has won 3 races instead of the 6 he couldā€™ve won..... dude has a Top 3 car in the field but is too inexperienced to do anything but get knocked out in the Round of 16. Kyle Busch wouldnā€™t have.... because he wouldnā€™t have blown a tire at Fontana sweating Erik Jonesā€™ 43 car nor would he have let Chase Briscoe get close enough to dump him at the dirt track.


Anyone who doesn't know The Equation now will learn beginning next year. KFB + RC = Championships. :cool:

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While drivers and football players are handsomely compensated for their services, making the conditions around these athletes as safe as modern technology and always evolving injury protocol, possibly can is paramount. We saw that last night in the game with Tua, there was a breakdown in protocol that frankly is inexcusable. The cars these drivers are competing in weekly have a weakness in them that needs to be addressed yesterday. I donā€™t think the amount of money being made makes failing safety protocols or questionable at best safety equipment (the next gen) a valid rationalization. Sadly I think your line of thinking is outdated and fails to recognize that the drivers that bring you entertainment on raceday are human beings with families and a future out of the car.

There will ALWAYS be risk, but if you aren't doing everything reasonable to try to minimize that risk, then you will eventually have blood on your hands. It is really disheartening to think that after all this work that the sport has taken a step backwards in that respect. I would be REALLY curious to know how much or if at all NASCAR tested these cars for side and rear impacts. As I mentioned in a previous post, GM, Ford and Toyota know more about crash testing than every race car chassis builder combined. How much if at all were they involved with this process?
 
There will ALWAYS be risk, but if you aren't doing everything reasonable to try to minimize that risk, then you will eventually have blood on your hands. It is really disheartening to think that after all this work that the sport has taken a step backwards in that respect. I would be REALLY curious to know how much or if at all NASCAR tested these cars for side and rear impacts. As I mentioned in a previous post, GM, Ford and Toyota know more about crash testing than every race car chassis builder combined. How much if at all were they involved with this process?
Highly doubtful, two different animals. Nascar takes every wreck back to their shop and analizes what happened with everything during the crash. They also have instruments mounted in every car that supplies crash data.
 
There will ALWAYS be risk, but if you aren't doing everything reasonable to try to minimize that risk, then you will eventually have blood on your hands. It is really disheartening to think that after all this work that the sport has taken a step backwards in that respect. I would be REALLY curious to know how much or if at all NASCAR tested these cars for side and rear impacts. As I mentioned in a previous post, GM, Ford and Toyota know more about crash testing than every race car chassis builder combined. How much if at all were they involved with this process?
That's what gets me. I know there's always a risk but its becoming pretty apparent that the new car is a step back from the old one
 
What is YOUR solution (or anybodies else) with 6 races left in the season.
I think they to do need something, whether it be mandatory tire pressures or modifications to the clips. Hoping it doesn't happen for the next 6 races isn't a solution to a problem that's getting people hurt now
 
I think they to do need something, whether it be mandatory tire pressures or modifications to the clips. Hoping it doesn't happen for the next 6 races isn't a solution to a problem that's getting people hurt now
Mandatory tire pressures aren't going to mean anything at Dega or the Roval and chopping into the clips without testing could prove to be worse than they have. How would that work if Nascar did the clip hack thing without testing data and a driver was injured seriously
 
Mandatory tire pressures aren't going to mean anything at Dega or the Roval and chopping into the clips without testing could prove to be worse than they have. How would that work if Nascar did the clip hack thing without testing data and a driver was injured seriously
Why can't they test it now? They could literally be testing solutions at this moment.
 
Highly doubtful, two different animals. Nascar takes every wreck back to their shop and analizes what happened with everything during the crash. They also have instruments mounted in every car that supplies crash data.

It's not a different animal when it comes to the methodology of the testing and properly analyzing the results. You are basically left with two options. Either NASCAR's testing methods were flawed, or they ignored or undervalued the results. Did they test ANYTHING other then top speed frontal impacts?
 
It's not a different animal when it comes to the methodology of the testing and properly analyzing the results. You are basically left with two options. Either NASCAR's testing methods were flawed, or they ignored or undervalued the results. Did they test ANYTHING other then top speed frontal impacts?
yes it is. 180 MPH proves that
 
What is YOUR solution (or anybodies else) with 6 races left in the season.

There is next to NOTHING that can be done at any point during the season, which is why you HAVE to get the important stuff right from the get go, especially since you no longer have hundreds of race team employees doing the work. Any changes made have to come from ONE place, and you can't put anything on the track until they can make at least 40 copies of it.
 
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