23XI statement on not signing Charter agreement

KTMLew01 said:
Exactly. All those teams want permanent charters. NASCAR has made it clear that will never happen. NASCAR only wants boot lickers.
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Define " Permanent" All teams that meet the charter requirements will keep them until they are ready to sell, that's about as permanent as you can get.
 
Spotter22 said:
Define " Permanent" All teams that meet the charter requirements will keep them until they are ready to sell, that's about as permanent as you can get.
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"Permanent" as in no expiration date, no connection to the TV contract. NASCAR would retain approval of sales and right to confiscate for 'Conduct' reasons.
 
Formerjackman said:
And I don't care if a Childress car EVER won a race, he was one of the guys making sure there WAS a show every week. If guys like Phelps would have been there in the trenches with guys like Childress and Hylton and Langley and McDuffie and Means and Scott, maybe they would have a little more f***ing appreciation for the guys that poured out their guts for very little of anything so the circus could keep going every week. I will say it one more time. I don't care if RC is the most wrong man on the planet, he deserves more respect than he got from Phelps.
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I'd also add that because of RCR and Dale, that's when Nascar starting to become bigger and more popular. Everything went up because of them, merchandise, tv viewership, ticket sales and popularity in the US. I think Nascar might want to thank Richard, instead of making fun of him.
 
Richard needs to thank Nascar also. Getting on Nascar radio and trashing them wasn't very smart or professional. He should have said what he needed to say to them eye to eye instead of airing his grievances in a public. So once again, nobody here has clean hands.
 
Richard Childress responds to Phelps, and is weighing legal action (presumably for defamation)...

 
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rd45usa said:
I'd also add that because of RCR and Dale, that's when Nascar starting to become bigger and more popular. Everything went up because of them, merchandise, tv viewership, ticket sales and popularity in the US. I think Nascar might want to thank Richard, instead of making fun of him.
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I think a kid named Jeff may have played a role in that too
 
Charlie Spencer said:
"Permanent" as in no expiration date, no connection to the TV contract. NASCAR would retain approval of sales and right to confiscate for 'Conduct' reasons.
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If they follow the rules of the charter they have it and as long as they want. Do you think NASCAR would confiscate a charter from Roger Penske? Let me answer for you, NO.
 
gnomesayin said:
The racing fans who despise racing teams and instead idolize the suits sitting in the suites sure twist themselves into some interesting pretzels defending the indefensible.
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You're way overboard there sparky. You are free to think Nascar will be all better after this, but some of us think you Nascar haters live in a dream world. Many of us have seen what splits do to racing series and it isn't any guarantee it is going to be better for the sport if it happens. Especially if this bunch doing the suing has anything to do with it.
 
I might just be done with NASCAR, that discovery from Phelps and O'Donnell, calling fans useful idiots, calling small team parasites, trying to crush SRX, which was meant to be a short track series, not trying to be a NASCAR competitor, calling Richard Childress a "stupid redneck" . I'm done
 
StandOnIt said:
Richard needs to thank Nascar also. Getting on Nascar radio and trashing them wasn't very smart or professional. He should have said what he needed to say to them eye to eye instead of airing his grievances in a public. So once again, nobody here has clean hands.
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How do we know he DIDN'T? Like most large organizations, NASCAR has a tendency to only respond after someone has embarrassed them in public. Richard Childress is an icon, he's basically untouchable. Steve Phelps is NOBODY. Five minutes after he retires /quits/ gets fired, nobody will know (or care) who Steve Phelps was. A footnote to a footnote to a footnote in the history of NASCAR. That boy needs to learn to stay in his lane and give more respect. He's definitely overdue for a good ass whipping.
 
StandOnIt said:
You're way overboard there sparky. You are free to think Nascar will be all better after this, but some of us think you Nascar haters live in a dream world. Many of us have seen what splits do to racing series and it isn't any guarantee it is going to be better for the sport if it happens. Especially if this bunch doing the suing has anything to do with it.
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I might be done period. I don't care who wins or loses this at this point
 
DewChaser988 said:
I might be done period. I don't care who wins or loses this at this point
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I do at this point. It's the lesser of two evils to me. I would much rather the France family warts and all continue to run the sport rather than having the three monkeys who are doing the suing do so. I can't imagine Hamlin being a shot caller for the series. I think I would yearn to have Brian France back nose candy and all if that happened.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Do we know that he didn't?
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Do we know that he did? on and on. round and round. What he did do was in public on Nascar radio he trashed them. On the other hand what was in private conversation only revealed by the court they called Childress a redneck. Waa Waa. Childress called them basically inept, every recliner Nascar hater loves that. Big f'n deal.
 
StandOnIt said:
You're way overboard there sparky. You are free to think Nascar will be all better after this, but some of us think you Nascar haters live in a dream world. Many of us have seen what splits do to racing series and it isn't any guarantee it is going to be better for the sport if it happens. Especially if this bunch doing the suing has anything to do with it.
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Thanks for your input. You're conflating love and hate of NASCAR racing with whether one pledges allegiance to the current heirs and executives at the helm. You recognize the failure of leadership on the playoffs front and are willing to be openly critical there. That hardly makes you a hater.

We can keep going round and round, but it really comes down to a disagreement over how much that split you mentioned is to be feared over all else.

What motivated my last post is the reveal that when it becomes clear that other team owners beyond Hamlin and Jordan have longstanding issues with how the current leadership have conducted themselves, the same people who say they just oppose the two suing teams immediately leap to bash any other owner who voices any criticism.
 
StandOnIt said:
Do we know that he did? on and on. round and round. What he did do was in public on Nascar radio he trashed them. On the other hand what was in private conversation only revealed by the court they called Childress a redneck. Waa Waa. Childress called them basically inept, every recliner Nascar hater loves that. Big f'n deal.
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There's no such thing as "private" these days.

ESPECIALLY when you're the HNIC of a multinational business.
 
rd45usa said:
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On point video, as The Iceberg often is. And it notes the fundamental problem ... Brian France was ousted but none of the lackeys he put in place were. And Jim France has arguably done a worse job than The Brain.

NA18D, NextGen, an atrocious TV contract that didn't come with any meaningful increase in rights fees, and now these emails.

Enough is enough.
 
LewTheShoe said:
Richard Childress responds to Phelps, and is weighing legal action (presumably for defamation)...

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For what it's worth, I think this is a PR power play by Richard Childress, not a serious lawsuit. Unless he can prove that disqualifying Austin Dillon was a retaliatory measure.

I think he's just doing this to add to the mounting pressure to oust Phelps and O'Donnell.
 
StandOnIt said:
Do we know that he did? on and on. round and round. What he did do was in public on Nascar radio he trashed them. On the other hand what was in private conversation only revealed by the court they called Childress a redneck. Waa Waa. Childress called them basically inept, every recliner Nascar hater loves that. Big f'n deal.
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When someone has done 100 times more for an organization than you ever have or ever will, you show respect, even if you 100% disagree with the person. I've heard Richard Petty say a LOT of stuff over the last 45 years that has left me scratching my head, stuff I completely disagreed with, but you know what? It's Richard freaking Petty. He's entitled to whatever position he wants to take, whether it's right, wrong, or indifferent. He's EARNED the right.
 
gnomesayin said:
Thanks for your input. You're conflating love and hate of NASCAR racing with whether one pledges allegiance to the current heirs and executives at the helm. You recognize the failure of leadership on the playoffs front and are willing to be openly critical there. That hardly makes you a hater.

We can keep going round and round, but it really comes down to a disagreement over how much that split you mentioned is to be feared over all else.

What motivated my last post is the reveal that when it becomes clear that other team owners beyond Hamlin and Jordan have longstanding issues with how the current leadership have conducted themselves, the same people who say they just oppose the two suing teams immediately leap to bash any other owner who voices any criticism.
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My view is the teams have been getting a raw deal here, look at the skyrocketing costs. May I remind you, we lost the team that was the defending Cup Series champion (Furniture Row) because of skyrocketing costs. Teams should be getting more revenue to cover the increase in costs
 
gnomesayin said:
Thanks for your input. You're conflating love and hate of NASCAR racing with whether one pledges allegiance to the current heirs and executives at the helm. You recognize the failure of leadership on the playoffs front and are willing to be openly critical there. That hardly makes you a hater.

We can keep going round and round, but it really comes down to a disagreement over how much that split you mentioned is to be feared over all else.

What motivated my last post is the reveal that when it becomes clear that other team owners beyond Hamlin and Jordan have longstanding issues with how the current leadership have conducted themselves, the same people who say they just oppose the two suing teams immediately leap to bash any other owner who voices any criticism.
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Yeah and next week they could be having dinner together. Case in point, who did "hold my watch" hire to drive his car. And that is about what I care about the whole who hit John matter.
 
DewChaser988 said:
My view is the teams have been getting a raw deal here, look at the skyrocketing costs. May I remind you, we lost the team that was the defending Cup Series champion (Furniture Row) because of skyrocketing costs. Teams should be getting more revenue to cover the increase in costs
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The owners have leverage over NASCAR, they provide the product. They could’ve joined 23XI and FRR in holding out and not signing the charter deal.

Every other team owner decided that the charter agreement was fine. If they had spoken up and banded together, maybe we would get real change and not this BS lawsuit. I don’t feel sorry for them one bit. The RTA is a useless husk of NASCAR asskissers.

The real victims of escalating costs are drivers like Corey Heim, who need to bring funding to find a ride. How many talented guys don’t even get to Heim’s level because they can’t cut a check. The days of blue collar racers is essentially dead.
 
Naitch said:
The owners have leverage over NASCAR, they provide the product. They could’ve joined 23XI and FRR in holding out and not signing the charter deal.

Every other team owner decided that the charter agreement was fine. If they had spoken up and banded together, maybe we would get real change and not this BS lawsuit. I don’t feel sorry for them one bit. The RTA is a useless husk of NASCAR asskissers.

The real victims of escalating costs are drivers like Corey Heim, who need to bring funding to find a ride. How many talented guys don’t even get to Heim’s level because they can’t cut a check. The days of blue collar racers is essentially dead.
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Problem is NASCAR essentially blackmailed the teams into signing it, it was a bad faith negotiation, they even insulted Richard Childress
 
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