hopefully authentic if you want to read the court doc
That is brutal towards Nascar. These lawyers are good, real good! Wonder if Nascar will put out a rebuttal now?
hopefully authentic if you want to read the court doc
I don't know enough about hockey but that makes sense in the context of how many young hockey players are now coming of age in places like Dallas. They and baseball both also have the benefit of developing economies producing elite talent that they can just nab, which has led to both leagues putting less than full effort into growing development ladders for non-wealthy parents here.Youth hockey it probably the worst of the big 4. The cost of equipment and team fees are higher than the other sports and there's just as many camps and specialized training sessions. Not to mention the private high schools.
Sure, you can buy budget equipment but without the specialized training you'll be quickly passed.
Its truly became a sport of the elites.
Apologies for getting off topic.
SOI...Absolutely. Sorry you were the one that initiated that discussion!
The daily victim statement.I suggested this very thing and as usual got poo-pooed by the NASCAR IS NEVER WRONG bunch.
That is brutal towards Nascar. These lawyers are good, real good! Wonder if Nascar will put out a rebuttal now?
This hasn’t been the case at big time schools since at least the 80s. In the pre-NIL days, schools were caught outright faking classes.
You all are probably quite younger than this old guy. I was referring to college athletics “in the beginning.” Completely agree with what your saying about how it has developed.College football - not the NFL, the college game - was the second biggest sport by attendance and public interest for the first half of the 20th century. It was only after the 1955 NFL championship game that anyone seriously considered them peers, and obviously in the post-1970s era the NFL is now tops. But in terms of "what did athletes expect in college sports?" I mean, that's a complex thing to answer. SMU got the "death sentence" (program shut down briefly by NCAA) in the 1980s for having a literal payroll for players like future HOFer Eric Dickerson. Some athletes are there for an education. Many are there because college is the only place to ply their craft (e.g. wrestling or swimming) and still others are in college because Adidas signed them as a 12 year old and told them they were going to an Adidas school to play basketball for at least 1 season.
The daily victim statement.
I don't think it is possible for NASCAR to be affected by that degree. I do think, however, that it might be within the realm of reality that we'd see things like midweek or off season special events promoted by RTA and better collaboration between NASCAR and other sanctioning bodies who might want to use their tracks.You all are probably quite younger than this old guy. I was referring to college athletics “in the beginning.” Completely agree with what your saying about how it has developed.
In any case, I seriously doubt any antitrust lawsuit will change the sport of NASCAR anywhere close to the impact of NIL.
I'm gonna say this again...was my understanding creation of charters was so if a team owner decided to quit he had something to sell. For more than pennies-on-the-dollar. I don't know when the guaranteed starting position thing got added nor do I see how it hurts anyone. If say Toyota decided to get in the Nascar business, they likely wouldn't start out running top 5? Maybe have serious issues getting engines to survive. Should they be able to buy their way into the starting field?Their lawyers have to respond to the complaint.
Typical lawyer grandstanding trying the case in the media of public opinion. Laughable trying to act like underdogs but a lot of people will buy it.That is brutal towards Nascar. These lawyers are good, real good! Wonder if Nascar will put out a rebuttal now?
I don't think it is possible for NASCAR to be affected by that degree. I do think, however, that it might be within the realm of reality that we'd see things like midweek or off season special events promoted by RTA and better collaboration between NASCAR and other sanctioning bodies who might want to use their tracks.
Assume for a moment they "break up NASCAR":This is the best case scenario. The courts could force a “breakup” of NASCAR and who knows what that looks like. It could involve selling the tracks or it could involve giving teams an ownership stake in the company.
This is all uncharted waters. This could cause a real disruption to stock car racing in America.
Well, that didn't last long lol.Everyone who is so certain NASCAR has nothing to be concerned about will know one way or another soon enough. No point in speculating further unless you have a law degree.
Assume for a moment they "break up NASCAR":
-If NASCAR has to spin the tracks off.....so what? They were independent until 2019 anyhow and reported their finances publicly because they were public entities trading on NASDAQ.
-If the tracks have to make money independently and aren't as reliant on NASCAR TV money because their portion of the split is lower....so what? We've already had consolidation of track operations and closures of places like Kentucky, Fontana, and Chicagoland which were perceived as not being able to generate sufficient revenue to stay open. I don't see how it gets worse. I do see how tracks might have to answer the phone from Indycar or CARS Tour or anyone else who might want to book a track now. That isn't a net negative to me.
-If NASCAR has to spin off something like ARCA or permit the usage of the Nextgen car in another series/race....so what? Cup cars were used in ARCA races until the COT and it only led to both series being significantly healthier.
-If they have to spin off the series from the sanctioning body....so what? F1 has operated this way since what, 1982? They've only become the most successful motorsports league in the world since then.
My point is that even in the most extreme circumstances I can imagine, it doesn't actually matter that much to fans. As far as what actually happens, I don't pretend to know.Well, that didn't last long lol.
‘NIL’ as it is in practice really has very little to do with what NIL was supposed to be in theory simply because the NCAA kicked the can down the road long enough that there was no structure for regulations and enforcement when the judgments finally came down against them. That’s their fault. With any luck, the proposed House settlement and implementation of actual revenue sharing will rein in the effects of ‘NIL’ to a degree.Sometimes doing the right thing doesn't turn out like we hope. Giving the athletes what they deserve may kill the very system that gives it to them. The same may be able to be said about the NASCAR charters.
Assume for a moment they "break up NASCAR":
-If NASCAR has to spin the tracks off.....so what? They were independent until 2019 anyhow and reported their finances publicly because they were public entities trading on NASDAQ.
-If the tracks have to make money independently and aren't as reliant on NASCAR TV money because their portion of the split is lower....so what? We've already had consolidation of track operations and closures of places like Kentucky, Fontana, and Chicagoland which were perceived as not being able to generate sufficient revenue to stay open. I don't see how it gets worse. I do see how tracks might have to answer the phone from Indycar or CARS Tour or anyone else who might want to book a track now. That isn't a net negative to me.
-If NASCAR has to spin off something like ARCA or permit the usage of the Nextgen car in another series/race....so what? Cup cars were used in ARCA races until the COT and it only led to both series being significantly healthier.
-If they have to spin off the series from the sanctioning body....so what? F1 has operated this way since what, 1982? They've only become the most successful motorsports league in the world since then.
Which is why it's all we've talked about for two days.My point is that even in the most extreme circumstances I can imagine, it doesn't actually matter that much to fans. As far as what actually happens, I don't pretend to know.
If those clowns figure out a way to break up Nascar, some of these gung ho ers will be singing a different tune.
Preach Larry Mac:
Why?If those clowns figure out a way to break up Nascar, some of these gung ho ers will be singing a different tune.
So this is so unfair, but we want more of it....got it!
Missed the part about what the team owners said did ya. The potential witnesses for the defendant?"This the way we've always done it so it must be the right / best /only way."
Larry, I'm not on the teams' side but that's a weak argument.
"This the way we've always done it so it must be the right / best /only way."
Larry, I'm not on the teams' side but that's a weak argument.
"This the way we've always done it so it must be the right / best /only way."
Larry, I'm not on the teams' side but that's a weak argument.
I saw the part about what Larry Mac said the other owners said.Missed the part about what the team owners said did ya. The potential witnesses for the defendant?
Yeah lol, built a multi million dollar race shop, already made deals for both of the charters. How you going to mansplain that in a court of law how unfairly you have been treated?So this is so unfair, but we want more of it....got it!
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I wouldn't forget it.I saw the part about what Larry Mac said the other owners said.