2020 Cup Series Camaro ZL1 1LE

Discussion in 'NASCAR chat' started by ChexOrWrex, Oct 31, 2019.

  1. ChexOrWrex

    ChexOrWrex Ya gotta wanna

  2. superchuck500

    superchuck500 Team Owner

    Still has the point at the nose - maybe a bit less now?
     
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  3. sdj

    sdj Just a race fan

    I like the Toyota scoops in front of the front tires, looks good. :lol2: :D
     
  4. Snappy D

    Snappy D 2017 Pick Em Champion 2018 Bold Predictor

    The point of the Nose looks less protruding
     
  5. superchuck500

    superchuck500 Team Owner

    The point is less pointy? :)
     
  6. Dr_B_UNC

    Dr_B_UNC Team Owner

    It does. I almost expected a flat nose like the Mustang, but it's still an improvement. There's still a slight point at top of nose near hood, but lower 2/3 looks flat. Surely they've redesigned it so that it can push in draft.
     
  7. Kiante

    Kiante Team Owner

    Richard Petty called it during the DJD that Chevy will be getting rid of the pointed nose.

    Looks good.
     
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  8. ChexOrWrex

    ChexOrWrex Ya gotta wanna

    I’m still a believer that Chevy’s issue as a whole isn't with aero, it’s with the chassis and not being able to quickly adapt to an engine with a tapered spacer.

    Toyota & Ford have invested far more money into Cup R&D than GM.
     
  9. AdoubleU24

    AdoubleU24 Team Owner

    So they roll out a new body for just 1 season before everything changes again? Costs savings my foot, they spend money when they want to.
     
  10. Formerjackman

    Formerjackman Team Owner

    The changes likely involve just the nose, which get changed all of the time anyway. I will also point out that when you get down to millimeters, the actual race car nose may not exactly match the street car. In FACT, my guess is that Chevy is just using this "model change" story explain why they submitted a new and racier nose to NASCAR, and why NASCAR will likely, if they haven't already approved it. It just sounds better than saying "we were getting our asses handed to us, so we're trying to fix what we didn't get right the first time."
     
  11. ChexOrWrex

    ChexOrWrex Ya gotta wanna

    They might know more than the public does and I can bet you they are making an attempt to get ahead of the curve.

    Remember these manufactures are making decisions for the top stock car racing league in the country. None of their choices are made with little consideration for the future.
     
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  12. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    Here is a comparison old to new. Pretty interesting, it looks like more than just the nose has been changed. Subtle changes, but IMO nothing gets changed unless it makes it go faster

     
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  13. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    Besides the nose and the hood, looking at the left front, that has been squared off, above the side skirt recessed more, quite a change in front of and above the rear wheel house. I would guess that the big honking rear wheelhouse on the older version was put in place to gain downforce under the old rules.
     
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  14. aunty dive

    aunty dive Team Owner

    How can that be?
     
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  15. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    rear greenhouse has been widened to get more air off of the rear spoiler also.
     
  16. aunty dive

    aunty dive Team Owner

    I'm not sure I understand that. Please explain.

    If this is the high drag / high downforce era, why would a team want to take air off the sheet of plywood bolted to the decklid?
     
  17. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    Knowing the answer before ya ask the question? This condescending B.S. is getting old.
     
  18. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

  19. Mispeedway15

    Mispeedway15 Team Owner

    Which is so so dumb. Racing provides companies awesome opportunities to have expert drivers maxing out their technology. To not be all in is a mistake in my opinion.

    A lot of the improvements Honda has made engine wise is because of what they’ve done in IndyCar and F1. This has allowed them to seamlessly move a turbocharged engine to most of the fleet
     
  20. Revman

    Revman 2X CHAMPION

    I thought we were in saving money mode awaiting the next gen car? Further, can Jimmie's recent struggles be viewed independent of a car that Chevy Performance deemed so bad that an emergency redesign was necessary?
     
  21. jaqua19

    jaqua19 Team Owner

    It probably falls somewhere in between. 48 was a top 10 car for a solid 6 out of the 10 races.

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  22. Kiante

    Kiante Team Owner

    Good observation, but this about the slight changes on the exterior. The company has only won three times this year, its a opprotunity in attempt to right the the ship after another mediocre season.

    I see this as a test for 2021 more than anything else to build off of performance of 2020.
     
  23. ChexOrWrex

    ChexOrWrex Ya gotta wanna

    Jimmie hasn't been the same since his brake failure at Pocono.
     
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  24. ChexOrWrex

    ChexOrWrex Ya gotta wanna

  25. 2 Sweet

    2 Sweet Legend

    Good for them. The satin/matte wrap they have been using for years looked terrible
     
  26. SpeedPagan

    SpeedPagan The iRacing Guru

    Was he injured after that wreck in Pocono?
     
  27. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

  28. Mispeedway15

    Mispeedway15 Team Owner

    Think it spooked him and took away that fearlessness. Biggest thing about racing, a lot of times it’s about who has the biggest balls
     
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  29. SpeedPagan

    SpeedPagan The iRacing Guru

    Yea, he did hit the wall at Pocono nearly at race speed. That would shake anyone up.
     
  30. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    I always pay attention to the new guys when they have a big wreck. Some of them slow down after a big wall shot. At the cup level it is usually when a driver gets older. I think Jimmie saw his life flash before his eyes at Pocono. That was a really bad hit. He probably would have never raced again if he had been in an older car.
     
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  31. Revman

    Revman 2X CHAMPION

    Yes, this is part of the parts freeze to save money. Build a whole new damn car.
     
  32. Revman

    Revman 2X CHAMPION

    Chad just said that the problem with the previous car was OSS made the areas they could work in impossible. Uh, Toyota introduced their new car in the low downforce pre-OSS era, had success, then fell victim to the free pass the Fords got in '18, and then came back even stronger in '19. So, I call bull**** on that. Engineer a car Chevy....but if you don't NASCAR will let you try until you get it right even in the midst of a parts freeze.
     
  33. Kiante

    Kiante Team Owner

    You mean chassis freeze.

    Chassis development will slow down as the season continues, it doesn't mean you cannot make adjustments to the exterior body. Not to mention, Chevy needed some change from getting thier **** pushed in, like last season. The new Camaro has not resulted in a lot of success, so they made changes.

    I see nothing wrong with what they did. Its only going to be more competitive with time and playing catch-up to Toyota and Ford I can imagine is not fun.
     
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  34. Revman

    Revman 2X CHAMPION

    It gets even better.....Larson is now running his mouth about how the new Chevy will be better than what they had....Didn't he call BS on all of the Chevy drivers whining about the car last year? Sometimes, it's just better if he keeps quiet.
     
  35. Kiante

    Kiante Team Owner

    Wow, a Chevy backed driver bigging up the new body.

    Man, he's certainly wrong about being confident about the car. Larson was confident last season with the new downforce package. Its just preseason hype you're reading too far into. What is he supposed to say? "The car is going to be **** like last season."

    Not going to happen.
     
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  36. Revman

    Revman 2X CHAMPION



    The extended parts freeze for the NASCAR Cup Series will remain in place through 2020, as development continues to shift toward the Next Gen stock car.
    --NASCAR.com
     
  37. Revman

    Revman 2X CHAMPION

    Maybe just say nothing. That would work out better for him I think.
     
  38. Kiante

    Kiante Team Owner

    Parts is speaking of mechicanal parts (chassis updates, limit up to 12 chassis, etc.), the rules mention nothing of exterior changes being outlawed in this case. Chevy must have been working on these changes for some time. The announcement was made is October of 2019, so there is no telling how long before the rule changes were set in stone, Chevy has been working on the body modifications. 2018 and 19 were dismal seasons for them, so with the data they collected they went back to the drawing board quickly.

    Also, to think how long Chevy kept the SS from 2013 to 2017 with no major refreshes during the gen 6 era is pretty remarkable.
     
  39. Mispeedway15

    Mispeedway15 Team Owner

    Oh for sure especially in NASCAR. The thing iRacing has taught me is how much a stock car is always slipping, it’s literally a game of chicken as those tires wear and you’re constantly adjusting how fast you can enter the corner and maintain the speed without losing the back end.
     
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  40. Formerjackman

    Formerjackman Team Owner

    I seriously doubt there is a whole lot of money being spent that wouldn't have otherwise. They are putting new bodies on those cars CONSTANTLY, and if the new Camaro races better without them having to spend thousands of engineering hours trying to make it competitive, it might even SAVE money.
     
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