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I would hope there’s still TRD involvement with their young drivers. Mr. Leavine has been pretty vocal over the past year or two over the financial challenges his team goes through.

I don’t know enough about things to know what all is included in the potential sale price but it would have to be much more valuable with Toyota on board.
 

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so Bell is locked in at Toyota thru atleast next year? that sucks because alot of openings lined up for this year, but with so many 1 year deals/ turnover in general there's probably rides for him outside of Toyota whenever that deal ends
 

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The only other partial TRD backed ride is the 96. Gaunt is a part-time team running full-time, I honestly do not see them being in the mix. Makes me wonder how different this situation would have been of FRR or MWR was still around to offer assistance for Toyota.

We'll see, but I'm starting to lean towards Jones leaving. Also, Leavine is doing this after Brandon Jones' dad in Rheem is the primary sponsor for them. Hopefully, LFR can stay around long-term. Its been a lot of fun watching this team improve every year.
 

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so Bell is locked in at Toyota thru atleast next year? that sucks because alot of openings lined up for this year, but with so many 1 year deals/ turnover in general there's probably rides for him outside of Toyota whenever that deal ends
Bell is only signed through the end of this year, he had a one-year option that JGR picked up last summer.

 

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Bell is only signed through the end of this year, he had a one-year option that JGR picked up last summer.

It has to be Jones or Bell at this point though. I do not see JGR moving up any of the Xfinity drivers, nor do I see a veteran moving into that 20 car.

Something is going to give, but it depends on who has the money together. It seems like Craftsman/Dewalt really likes Jones, so who knows at this point? I really like Jones at Gibbs and he's earned his keep.

I personally cannot see Jones outside of a Toyota just yet IMO.
 

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It has to be Jones or Bell at this point though. I do not see JGR moving up any of the Xfinity drivers, nor do I see a veteran moving into that 20 car.

Something is going to give, but it depends on who has the money together. It seems like Craftsman/Dewalt really likes Jones, so who knows at this point? I really like Jones at Gibbs and he's earned his keep.

I personally cannot see Jones outside of a Toyota just yet IMO.
I don't see any sponsors on the 20 that wouldn't be just as happy to have Bell in the car. Those appear to be JGR sponsors nothing tied to a driver

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I hope whichever one gets shuffled out lands on their feet because they both deserve a solid ride IMO

this type of situation makes me wanna see the 4 car team limit maybe be reconsidered, but I'm sure if that made sense at large it'd be changed
 

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I hope whichever one gets shuffled out lands on their feet because they both deserve a solid ride IMO

this type of situation makes me wanna see the 4 car team limit maybe be reconsidered, but I'm sure if that made sense at large it'd be changed
Im excited that the #20 is gonna have a great driver in the seat either way.

but there is a sad layer to it... just like you said, BOTH guys deserve a great ride. Such an interesting deal...
 

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if I'm Briscoe I'm gunning for SHR 14 if Clint is done, after seeing Custer win, and Buescher switch over to Roush, that's where I'd be headed.
 

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Another log on the Jones fire.
Another log on the Joe Gibbs Technical Alliance fire. What do you always get when you're seduced by a black widow spider? Dead.

Props to Archie St. Hillaire and the 32 team for being survivors. I remember Archie commenting last year on TRD pimping the Gibbs/Leavine marriage, and saying he wouldn't consider an arranged short-term copulation for his squad. His rationale was that the party might be fun, but the hangover is too debilitating. Most everyone here scoffed at that notion at the time..:idunno:
 

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The drivers/teams themselves surely have to have a pretty good idea of who’s going where. With so much red tape/sponsor agreements and everything else to discuss and lock down...

Jones, Bell, Brad, Johnson, Bowyer, Hamlin, Larson, ect... There’s no way most or all of these names don’t know what the 2021 season looks like...

just a matter of ‘when is the right time to start announcing things, and who should be the first to speak’.
I am sure there are a few drivers waiting for sponsors to resign. No sponsor no contract for them. Larson is gone and JJ is retiring. Hamlin is a lock with his sponsor and his record this year makes him top dog at JGR.
Bell may replace Jones, could be a ride swap. Brad signs a new contract if he takes a cut and Bowyer is history as a full time driver and may get a booth job in Xfinity or trucks.
 

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I hope whichever one gets shuffled out lands on their feet because they both deserve a solid ride IMO

this type of situation makes me wanna see the 4 car team limit maybe be reconsidered, but I'm sure if that made sense at large it'd be changed
I don't want to see 4 car team lifted. If they do that those with the most money will just sign all the drivers and beat the competition that way. Remember Roush with 6 cars?
Look where they are now.
 

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I don't want to see 4 car team lifted. If they do that those with the most money will just sign all the drivers and beat the competition that way. Remember Roush with 6 cars?
Look where they are now.
For the long term health of the sport lowering it to three would be better. Get some new blood on the ownership side.

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For the long term health of the sport lowering it to three would be better. Get some new blood on the ownership side.

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I see they are trying to lower the cost for teams, but it still way to high for a team without Manufacture support and the cost of engines has to come down quite a bit.
The non-metal bodies like Xfinity may also help.
 

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Another log on the Joe Gibbs Technical Alliance fire. What do you always get when you're seduced by a black widow spider? Dead.

Props to Archie St. Hillaire and the 32 team for being survivors. I remember Archie commenting last year on TRD pimping the Gibbs/Leavine marriage, and saying he wouldn't consider an arranged short-term copulation for his squad. His rationale was that the party might be fun, but the hangover is too debilitating. Most everyone here scoffed at that notion at the time..:idunno:
Some owners may be happier toiling away in obscurity and others may want to take a short term approach of running well, winning races and maybe even a championship. I don't think either mindset is wrong.
 

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I see they are trying to lower the cost for teams, but it still way to high for a team without Manufacture support and the cost of engines has to come down quite a bit.
The non-metal bodies like Xfinity may also help.
I can't provide any sources for this but from what I have read one way teams are trying to contain costs is by reducing driver salaries. This could be part of what is taking so long with Brad and Penske as he may have to sign for less money than he did with his last contract. Guys like Brad will always command top money but right now everyone may be trying to figure out what top money is. He has a good situation with Penske so I think another team would have to offer Brad a good amount more money and longer term in order for him to sign elsewhere.
 

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Another log on the Joe Gibbs Technical Alliance fire. What do you always get when you're seduced by a black widow spider? Dead.

Props to Archie St. Hillaire and the 32 team for being survivors. I remember Archie commenting last year on TRD pimping the Gibbs/Leavine marriage, and saying he wouldn't consider an arranged short-term copulation for his squad. His rationale was that the party might be fun, but the hangover is too debilitating. Most everyone here scoffed at that notion at the time..:idunno:
That's number 2 who's next :idunno:
 

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I don't want to see 4 car team lifted. If they do that those with the most money will just sign all the drivers and beat the competition that way. Remember Roush with 6 cars?
Look where they are now.
I don't either. It's already pretty lopsided as it is between the chosen few and the rest of the field. It's a delicate balance, not perfect, but it will never be. I don't see any correlation between Roush having 6 cars except it forced an issue and a rule to limit the field to 4 cars. Nascar nipped the monopoly type model that was trending in order to encourge/keep alive the smaller teams who wanted to participate. It doesn't mean that if a team had 6 cars it's the kiss of death IMO.
 

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Another log on the Joe Gibbs Technical Alliance fire. What do you always get when you're seduced by a black widow spider? Dead.

Props to Archie St. Hillaire and the 32 team for being survivors. I remember Archie commenting last year on TRD pimping the Gibbs/Leavine marriage, and saying he wouldn't consider an arranged short-term copulation for his squad. His rationale was that the party might be fun, but the hangover is too debilitating. Most everyone here scoffed at that notion at the time..:idunno:
That's a load of crap. If TRD bailed Leavine out, you would bitch about that.
 

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Barney also
Barney never retracted his statement about the JGR price. Your narrative is speculative and without merit. Let's play in your world....show me the link. Again, your BS being absorbed as fact here is a joke.
 

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That's number 2 who's next :idunno:
You spew this crap like COVID doesn't exist--well, I gather in your assessment that it may not, but whatever--the fact is that the conditions around this pandemic have taken Leavine from a two car team to the brink of non-existence....but no worries, that's probably the Preacher's doing....am I right?
 

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You spew this crap like COVID doesn't exist--well, I gather in your assessment that it may not, but whatever--the fact is that the conditions around this pandemic have taken Leavine from a two car team to the brink of non-existence....but no worries, that's probably the Preacher's doing....am I right?
calm down with the personal attacks slick.
 

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You spew this crap like COVID doesn't exist--well, I gather in your assessment that it may not, but whatever--the fact is that the conditions around this pandemic have taken Leavine from a two car team to the brink of non-existence....but no worries, that's probably the Preacher's doing....am I right?
Toyota changed the model to franchising teams like a McDonnell's franchise. All about their mother ship factory TRD and the middleman Gibbs. They set Barney up with cars, drivers, pit crews. Did the same for Leavine. Both are quitting by what they say are rising "expenses". Ya can't have it both ways, the Hendricks, SHR Childress's Ganassi's are all independent businesses they can run any brand they want to run. None of the other OEM's went out and "set up" puppet race teams who are controlled by them, run who they want, even bench pit crews on their franchise teams when they don't let the mother ship team win a race except Toyota. So whenever one of them fails it is because they have the rug ripped out from under them. They gutted Barney and they are gutting Leavine. I'm sure you won't agree, but many of us see it that way.
 

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Here is a good one for this thread

Considering Chevy is fronting most the bill for the 88 this year.

This could actually be a good move in downsizing a bit to focus on the trio of Elliott/Byron/Bowman could be good for HMS. The 88 was Jr's team anyways, so I like the move if it actually happens. Not to mention with the new car being pushed back maybe HMS can save some money with downsizing and using the fourth car as an extra car for the Chevy juniors in the future. We'll see, a long time between now and the end of the season.
 
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