2022 Silly Season

Snappy D said:
Roger thought Harrison Burton was a better option. Case closed, done deal.
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I'm talking about THIS year. Apparently neither Cindric nor Burton was a better option for 2021. The logic that says Burton is a better option in 2022 escapes me. Unless of course it's not actually about getting results on the track.
 
Formerjackman said:
I'm talking about THIS year. Apparently neither Cindric nor Burton was a better option for 2021. The logic that says Burton is a better option in 2022 escapes me. Unless of course it's not actually about getting results on the track.
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I cant get into the mind of Roger Penske unfortunately. He thought Burton was a better option going forward, it is what it is at this point.
 
Formerjackman said:
Some of you think he is mediocre. Some of us do not. In 88 races in the 21, Ryan Blaney had 8 top 5 finishes. In 59 races, Matt has five. How mediocre is Ryan Blaney?
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I dont remember mentioning Ryan Blaney in my posts. So now we are going to compare Ryan vs Matt...... fair enough. Ryan won a race in the 21....... Matt will likely be 0/2 years. I like it when drivers win races.
 
with the backing and help the 21 car should be running in the top 15 every week with more top 5 and 10,i dont think matt or ryan are the problem
 
Snappy D said:
I dont remember mentioning Ryan Blaney in my posts. So now we are going to compare Ryan vs Matt...... fair enough. Ryan won a race in the 21....... Matt will likely be 0/2 years. I like it when drivers win races.
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Well, since Ryan got promoted up to the A team, I think his performance on the B team is relevant to the conversation. Ryan won ONE race. Matt has been close. It certainly doesn't help that Ford and Penske seem to be a little bit off their game this year. Now that the team is gelling however, I wouldn't be shocked if they win one before the season is out. The 21 is probably being used as guinea pig for the 2 and 22 by this time in the season, and if they hit on something good, I could see a win.
 
Formerjackman said:
Well, since Ryan got promoted up to the A team, I think his performance on the B team is relevant to the conversation. Ryan won ONE race. Matt has been close. It certainly doesn't help that Ford and Penske seem to be a little bit off their game this year. Now that the team is gelling however, I wouldn't be shocked if they win one before the season is out. The 21 is probably being used as guinea pig for the 2 and 22 by this time in the season, and if they hit on something good, I could see a win.
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I get what you're trying to say, but the only way Matty D is winning one is if it's a rain shortened race and they're on a different strategy from everyone else. Remember, NASCAR doesn't like it when non-playoff cars are trying to be part of the lead show.
 
Formerjackman said:
Well, since Ryan got promoted up to the A team, I think his performance on the B team is relevant to the conversation. Ryan won ONE race. Matt has been close. It certainly doesn't help that Ford and Penske seem to be a little bit off their game this year. Now that the team is gelling however, I wouldn't be shocked if they win one before the season is out. The 21 is probably being used as guinea pig for the 2 and 22 by this time in the season, and if they hit on something good, I could see a win.
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yeah you lost me here. I wasnt even thinking about Ryan when I made my initial post on whatever page that was before so in my view he's not relevant to the conversation but since we are going there...... I would imagine Roger doesnt pay drivers for being close.... he pays them for winning championships and races. Matty D unfortunately for him I mean we can come up with theories, teams gelling, missed breaks and whatever else...... has done neither of those.
 
MRM said:
I think this thread needs to be split up into a silly season thread and a how valuable Matty D is thread. Until we get some new information from another driver or team, this is going to be it. :rolleyes:
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I'm so sorry my thread, I created... my baby..... to borrow the meme I used earlier in the week. I hold the The Matty D Apologists responsible ;)
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Dr_B_UNC said:
I get what you're trying to say, but the only way Matty D is winning one is if it's a rain shortened race and they're on a different strategy from everyone else. Remember, NASCAR doesn't like it when non-playoff cars are trying to be part of the lead show.
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On the contrary, NASCAR loves it when an underdog makes the playoffs. Absolutely loves it.
 
Dr_B_UNC said:
I get what you're trying to say, but the only way Matty D is winning one is if it's a rain shortened race and they're on a different strategy from everyone else. Remember, NASCAR doesn't like it when non-playoff cars are trying to be part of the lead show.
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The best that #21 car has been is top 10 speed with rare top 5’s sprinkled in. The team has 2 wins in 20 years and has finished in the top 10 in points one time in almost 30 years. Anyone thinking this team is elite, or even has no idea what they are talking about.

Oh, a driver isnt good enough because they havent won a race with WBR? Well only two drivers have in two decades. Maybe the attention put on the driver isn’t the major malfunction with this team.
 
ChexOrWrex said:
The best that #21 car has been is top 10 speed with rare top 5’s sprinkled in. The team has 2 wins in 20 years and has finished in the top 10 in points one time in almost 30 years. Anyone thinking this team is elite, or even has no idea what they are talking about.

Oh, a driver isnt good enough because they havent won a race with WBR? Well only two drivers have in two decades. Maybe the attention put on the driver isn’t the major malfunction with this team.
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I felt this was lobbed at me so Can we say Matty D isnt that good along with the team? or is it just the team's fault he hasnt won? Also was it the 95 teams fault he didnt win? or Joe Gibbs? and not Matty D's? He doesnt take blame in any of this?
 
The Wood Brothers with Ryan Blaney did pretty well, but with Menard and DiBenedetto doing the driving, not so much. My guess is young Harrison Burton brings a little money, would really have to flop to not match or better the last two drivers in the 21 car in the long run. Hard to tell with Burton until he leaves the asylum and gets settled in to the 21 car, but the atmosphere will definitely be different at W.B. and Penske in comparison.
 
Snappy D said:
I felt this was lobbed at me so Can we say Matty D isnt that good along with the team? or is it just the team's fault he hasnt won? Also was it the 95 teams fault he didnt win? or Joe Gibbs? and not Matty D's? He doesnt take blame in any of this?
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There is a lot of incorrect assumption going on here.
 
Formerjackman said:
The most relevant question is, is Harrison Burton one of the 50? As so often is the case, I think this whole deal is a lot more about money than ability and potential.
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I agree but racing has never been fair, this has played out many times before.
I don't Ike it but it will never change. More money makes the racing world go-around.
 
2 Sweet said:
Any news about GMS? Are they going to acquire a charter? If not, will they be full time or just part time? Who do we think will drive for them?
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More than likely part-time, but with whom... No clue as of yet.

IMHO, I think Zane or Creed gets those limited runnings or flip-flop between themselves.
 
Kiante said:
More than likely part-time, but with whom... No clue as of yet.

IMHO, I think Zane or Creed gets those limited runnings or flip-flop between themselves.
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I like Zane, but I don't think he's ready.

I would like to see Creed or maybe even someone like Brett Moffitt, although I'm not sure if he and GMS are still on good terms.
 
This rumor seems very odd to me.
1) you would think you'd hear more rumor from more reputable sources. This the first time I've ever hear of this website myself (maybe I'm just out of touch).
2) Toyota's history is they usually want quality over quantity and you would think that with 23XI supposedly adding another car they would have their plate full.
 
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