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Gen 6 - 15” wheel / tire

Gen 7 - 18 “ wheel / tire

So ... would everyone run old cars at Bristol?
 

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Somebody would need their head examined to leave a diffuser on a car where aero isn't a factor. The main reason I could see them using the older car was if the owners wanted to get rid of some old inventory. I doubt that happening because of the curiosity factor from the fans wanting to see how the Next Gen handles the dirt. I think it will turn faster lap times and be more controllable on the dirt when all is said and done. To think that his car wasn't designed in accordance with Goodyear being involved in the development of the tire being used hasn't been paying attention to all of the testing they have been doing.
I think it would be a huge black eye for the sport if they spent 3 years or whatever designing and testing this new and improved car that isn't capable of running all the tracks on the schedule and we have to run the obsolete one.

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Gen 6 - 15” wheel / tire

Gen 7 - 18 “ wheel / tire

So ... would everyone run old cars at Bristol?
Seems to me the old car is probably easier to repair. Absolutely no reason they couldn't turn them into dirt only cars. Teams would only need two at most if they insist on back-ups. They already have them. Main thing is getting NASCAR to pull the stick outta their *** and let them run real dirt tires, mod the radiator air flow and remove the windshield. Hoosier has that covered. If they insist on running the Gen 7 then I bet they could retrofit a solid axle and spring pull bar to make them more adaptable for dirt use. Mechanics will mechanic if you let them.

But honestly...the first attempt with almost no changes to current car wasn't that bad. Need to do something about visibility. Plus daytime dirt racing is stupid! Stupid! Stupid!
 

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How soon did they test the Gen 6 car on dirt? One week, two?
The current dirt tires are evolutions of what Trucks previously ran at Eldora, which were tested there before the inaugural 2013 race in fall 2012 and then at 311 as well.
 

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The current dirt tires are evolutions of what Trucks previously ran at Eldora, which were tested there before the inaugural 2013 race in fall 2012 and then at 311 as well.
I bet they can "evolve" to 18" . The tire that ran at Bristol for the cup cars was a new design. An indicator to look for will be a tire test on the dirt sometime during this year or the off season if they are planning on running the new car on the dirt.

Because of the dirt track configuration for this weekend’s race at Bristol (Tenn.) Motor Speedway, teams will be running two new Goodyear tire codes this weekend.
While the tires feature the same block-style tread pattern that the Trucks ran at Eldora Speedway as recently as 2019, both the left-side and right-side tire feature construction changes compared to those tire codes.
 

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I bet they can "evolve" to 18" . The tire that ran at Bristol for the cup cars was a new design. An indicator to look for will be a tire test on the dirt sometime during this year or the off season if they are planning on running the new car on the dirt.

Because of the dirt track configuration for this weekend’s race at Bristol (Tenn.) Motor Speedway, teams will be running two new Goodyear tire codes this weekend.
While the tires feature the same block-style tread pattern that the Trucks ran at Eldora Speedway as recently as 2019, both the left-side and right-side tire feature construction changes compared to those tire codes.
Bias ply tires. Not sure they can make a short aspect ratio bias ply tire 18" work? And the 15" wheel won't clear the brakes/spindles/hub mounts.
 

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We shall see.

NASCAR just tested rain tires, maybe they could test the Next-Gen on dirt after the WoO run? (Probably not, but it would be cool)

Never know, but these are good problems to have. Curiosity of how everything is going to play out is intriguing to me, at least.
 

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There are 5 or 6 road races remaining on the schedule.

I will bet a derivative of the intermediate rain tire tested at Water Truck Martinsville shows up at COTA or Sonoma.

Any takers?
 

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There are 5 or 6 road races remaining on the schedule.

I will bet a derivative of the intermediate rain tire tested at Water Truck Martinsville shows up at COTA or Sonoma.

Any takers?
Have you seen Floridians drive in the rain?

I hope they call me, I'll probably crash after a corner or two and get all of the crash test data they need.
 

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Running the G6 car at Bristol is a very short-term solution. New teams would have to buy someone else's used cars, and the inventory won't last forever.
The current teams have plenty they will be wanting to sell. CHEAP!
 

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Ok. Apparently everyone that builds race cars just keeps them or crushes them. I didn't know that.
I remember hearing a while back that HMS was crushing all their old chassis so none of their competitors could figure out what they were trying

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Pockrass says:

There has been some chatter about whether NASCAR should use the current year’s car for the Bristol dirt next year instead of the Next Gen (the car teams will debut in 2022) because the dirt race can pretty much destroy a car, and there would be inventory left over from this year.

The biggest issue could be the underbody of the Next Gen, which seals off more area underneath the car and could drag the surface if it develops divots, as it did this year.
But there are problems with the idea of using the "old" car for the Bristol dirt race. It would demand different technical inspection equipment than what NASCAR will create for next year, and the cars all of a sudden will look different for one race.

Teams will have "old" Next Gen cars. They will start building them in June, and most top teams probably will only test and never seriously race their first versions as they develop the car. They will have a car that they can "afford" to get dirty. Either NASCAR’s in with the new car, or it’s out, and it should be in with it for the Bristol dirt.

 

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Reddick has been selected to test the NextGen car at Darlington:

Good choice of driver, just make sure Tyler brings the car back in one piece.

 
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Pockrass says:

There has been some chatter about whether NASCAR should use the current year’s car for the Bristol dirt next year instead of the Next Gen (the car teams will debut in 2022) because the dirt race can pretty much destroy a car, and there would be inventory left over from this year.

The biggest issue could be the underbody of the Next Gen, which seals off more area underneath the car and could drag the surface if it develops divots, as it did this year.
But there are problems with the idea of using the "old" car for the Bristol dirt race. It would demand different technical inspection equipment than what NASCAR will create for next year, and the cars all of a sudden will look different for one race.

Teams will have "old" Next Gen cars. They will start building them in June, and most top teams probably will only test and never seriously race their first versions as they develop the car. They will have a car that they can "afford" to get dirty. Either NASCAR’s in with the new car, or it’s out, and it should be in with it for the Bristol dirt.


It strikes me as a shortsighted idea that should be a last resort. The effort and resources Pockrass describes that would be expended to revert to the old generation cars for one race would be better devoted to addressing the issues with the new car going forward. They have 11 months.

This stuff about IRS being incompatible with dirt racing is goofy. It will be superior with these heavy cars once they figure out the adjustments.
 

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ya think they have enough rear camber in it?

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It strikes me as a shortsighted idea that should be a last resort. The effort and resources Pockrass describes that would be expended to revert to the old generation cars for one race would be better devoted to addressing the issues with the new car going forward. They have 11 months.

This stuff about IRS being incompatible with dirt racing is goofy. It will be superior with these heavy cars once they figure out the adjustments.
This makes no sense. These are elite performance cars on a well maintained dirt track, we're not off-roading somewhere in Utah. If anything IRS should help the tires maintain contact to the surface in case of any ruts developing
 

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I haven't heard a driver trash the car yet. Pretty promising, a lot different then the C.O.T.
Even if they hate it good luck trying to get a driver to say anything bad about it. If I remember correctly there was a couple secret fines that were handed out in the past when drivers spoke out against the new generation of cars.

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Definitely not running the usual high line.
As he said, hard to rubber in the track with only 1 car running.
I like that he said the car is harder to drive. With a car very hard to drive they won't be so anxious to put kids in the car not old enough to drive on the streets.
Like to see them keep the older fellas around to at least 45-50 and have the young ones stay in Xfinity for 5 years. Keep them in Trucks for min of 3 years as well.
 

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As he said, hard to rubber in the track with only 1 car running.
I like that he said the car is harder to drive. With a car very hard to drive they won't be so anxious to put kids in the car not old enough to drive on the streets.
Like to see them keep the older fellas around to at least 45-50 and have the young ones stay in Xfinity for 5 years. Keep them in Trucks for min of 3 years as well.
Have you considered moving to Cuba?

It’s warmer there.
 

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As he said, hard to rubber in the track with only 1 car running.
I like that he said the car is harder to drive. With a car very hard to drive they won't be so anxious to put kids in the car not old enough to drive on the streets.
Like to see them keep the older fellas around to at least 45-50 and have the young ones stay in Xfinity for 5 years. Keep them in Trucks for min of 3 years as well.
I mean I'd argue that the most skilled driver in the field currently is a 25 year old from Georgia so...
 
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