A call to arms for NASCAR

I bet she doesn't drive down so hard on the inside car next time at Dover.

Uninformed on your part. She had given that 38 several breaks as he repeatedly chopped her. She would have passed him cleanly if not for the 12 being an idiot. We all realize you HATE DANICA which renders you incapable of being objective concerning her so please do us a favor and zip it.:)
 
That wasn't pay back. That was Sam being his typical idiot self.

At least this will add to the stats you like to rely on to form your opinions. ;)

I just don't stick my head in the sand and ignore stats. That way, I don't say silly things like 'Danica is improving'. :D
 
Uninformed on your part. She had given that 38 several breaks as he repeatedly chopped her. She would have passed him cleanly if not for the 12 being an idiot. We all realize you HATE DANICA which renders you incapable of being objective concerning her so please do us a favor and zip it.:)

lol Houston, we have liftoff.

Dude, why do you always resort to the "You hate Danica" crap? C'mon, you're smart enough to know better.
 
It was payback the way it should be. Newman said it best. "I trusted him, and he wrecked me. Now he can't trust me".

Only a fool would think Sam did that on purpose. He backed off and tried to straighten it out.
 
Look at the racing lines and you'll see that she runs down right to Sams door.

Come on boys, I thought you all knew how this racing stuff works.

Didn't see that Fender . Saw Sam come up the track and hit her . He will say he got loose , I really couldn't tell. Matt 's right , you do hate her , but she's okay with that .
 
How the heck did this turn into a Danica/race thread? You leave for a minute and it all goes to hell.
 
Someone please explain to me why Ryan Truex doesn't have a full time ride (and Brian Scott does). Actually, don't. I already know the answer.
 
How the heck did this turn into a Danica/race thread? You leave for a minute and it all goes to hell.

Simply call an incident with Danica just a racing deal, and the whining starts. :rolleyes: I hope these intense Danica crushes ease off soon.
 
NASCAR got something right by shortening the two races at Pocono. Now if they would just get rid of one alltogther and give it to Iowa they would have it perfect.
 
NASCAR got something right by shortening the two races at Pocono. Now if they would just get rid of one alltogther and give it to Iowa they would have it perfect.

Can I get an Amen?
 
NASCAR got something right by shortening the two races at Pocono. Now if they would just get rid of one alltogther and give it to Iowa they would have it perfect.


No way man. Pocono is the only really unique track on the circuit . It challanges drivers , crews ,and engine builders . If you want so badly to get rid of a track , get rid of one of the mile and a halfs or get rid of the stupid all star race . But don't take away the little diversity that we have.
 
No kidding. 12 clipped the apron and got loose. S*^t happens.

I saw the same thing. Sam was trying too hard to avoid contact and caught the apron. They were side by side entering the turn, and I thought Danica squeezed him down a little. She had to know he was faster and would pass her, because he had been in the top 10.
 
I saw the same thing. Sam was trying too hard to avoid contact and caught the apron. They were side by side entering the turn, and I thought Danica squeezed him down a little. She had to know he was faster and would pass her, because he had been in the top 10.

He didn't come close to touching the apron. You're getting desperate. Sam caused the wreck. End of story.
 
No way man. Pocono is the only really unique track on the circuit . It challanges drivers , crews ,and engine builders . If you want so badly to get rid of a track , get rid of one of the mile and a halfs or get rid of the stupid all star race . But don't take away the little diversity that we have.
Different doesnt mean good.
 
Here it goes.

RE:ODS, I don't feel the need to get in to everything that went down. ODS' side of the story is out there and it's fine if only one side is out in the air.

As for the rest, I'm entitled to my opinion. If you disagree with it, disagree with the opinion, don't attack the poster.

Andy, your opinion is as valid as anyone's here but when you present it as fact you probably should expect some backlash. That's just life.
 
Nothing to debate.:D

Actually Matt ,you are debating quite well. The Bumper started out saying Danica turned into him , and now is saying she MAY have squeezed down a LITTLE. Keep up the debating Matt , you're winning him over.
 
I didn't catch last night's race as I was out living my life but the replay clearly shows Hornish getting loose on the bottom and pushing up into Patrick. Looks like good racing to me but if people need to make more of it than need be, that's the way it goes. We'll just chalk it up to a "message board incident".
 
I didn't catch last night's race as I was out living my life but the replay clearly show Hornish getting loose on the bottom and pushing up into Patrick. Looks like good racing to me but if people need to make more of it than need be, that's the way it goes. We'll just chalk it up to a "message board incident".

You might want to reconsider posting that one .
 
He didn't come close to touching the apron. You're getting desperate. Sam caused the wreck. End of story.

Do you watch the same races? WTF you mean he wasn't close to the apron? When his left front hits the black pavement below the concrete and he gets loose is what we're talking about. That'd be the apron. It's still his fault and there was plenty of examples that 3 wide doesn't work.
 
The 12 car was foolish to try and make a 3 wide move at that point and paid the price after he clipped the apron and lost the car. As well as his car was running lifting going in then easily making the pass on the drive off the corner AFTER Danica cleared the car on her outside would have been a Much Better choice.
 
The 12 car was foolish to try and make a 3 wide move at that point and paid the price after he clipped the apron and lost the car. As well as his car was running lifting going in then easily making the pass on the drive off the corner AFTER Danica cleared the car on her outside would have been a Much Better choice.

Yep. That's what I saw. It looked like Hornish wasn't going to give Danica any respect there, and I don't blame him after the crap she pulled at Talladega. Sam was smart enough to know that if she didn't back off and give him the spot, she would pay the price. I feel bad for the 38 though. I think Sam has no chance of making it back to Cup, and maybe he knows it. He was real aggressive on Sunday, and I liked seeing that from him.

Danica should be happy Sam doesn't put HER head on into a wall at 160 mph. She should just take it and have an honest talk with Sam and clear the air.
 
So you're talking about two or three cars crossing the finish line in a photofinish . Not gonna happen . Once every five years ,maybe . You can go back in history , and that is not the mainstay of this sport . Side by side passing for position occurs all through the field , through the entire race and ,at the end , the best car will be out in front. Maybe by half a lap , who knows . That is why we watch , to see what is going to happen. You can't manufacture photo finishes , never could . As to people complaining on this forum , please . And as to people leaving this sport and ratings not skyrocketing , the sport is quite healthy compared to others and most of us are quite happy with it .
Oh yeh... really? So once a car gets out in CLEAN AIR he runs away from the field, is that a good thing? It doesn't have to be a photo finish, but there have not been that many close finishes in the last two seasons. Fans are not excited, economy aside, did you see all the empty seats at Dover today? I have been a fan of Nascar since I was four years old, and right now it is a boring sport. I love racing at the highest level, but what we have today is not a good product.
 
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