All Star Race ratings plummet 15%

ChexOrWrex said:
Nobody is going to use it as long as you must pay for it. We'll just go to the same free services we've always used. The site I use is .eu as opposed to .com so US wannabe SOPA rules don't apply. NASCAR needs to figure out something like Spotify. Spotify is a free music streaming app for PC & mobile the allows the user to listen to anything they wish, 100% free, they use ad fees to send royalties to artists. Now, if NASCAR could do that with video streaming they would strike gold.
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Dunno chex--NASCAR would do well to a page form NFL. NFL offers all their games online..and people pay. For some, its cheaper than paying for a cable package to watch all the games.
They offer Game pass $199.99 or $51.99 per mnth. Imagine...paying one price and you watch all of what NASCAR has to offer no matter what network it is on.

https://gamepass.nfl.com/nflgp/secure/packages?ttv=1&icampaign=Prod_GP_Nav&cvsorc=Homepage.GP.GP_Nav
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Music and movie piracy accomplished a lot, I'll give you that. Not just the digital media marketplace but also the fact that you don't have to wait several months for a movie to come out on DVD/Blu-Ray. FOX Sports 1 and NBCSN are bound by carriage agreements though. If NASCAR or the networks put the races online, the cable companies can pull FS1 and NBCSN off the air.

I've said for years that the business model of cable television needs to change but it never will and the internet won't be able to fight them much longer because the cable companies dominate broadband internet and Obama's FCC is out of control with allowing mergers to create monopolies and ending net neutrality and similar laws.
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This I agree with 100%
 
DanicaFreak said:
Dunno chex--NASCAR would do well to a page form NFL. NFL offers all their games online..and people pay. For some, its cheaper than paying for a cable package to watch all the games.
They offer Game pass $199.99 or $51.99 per mnth. Imagine...paying one price and you watch all of what NASCAR has to offer no matter what network it is on.

https://gamepass.nfl.com/nflgp/secure/packages?ttv=1&icampaign=Prod_GP_Nav&cvsorc=Homepage.GP.GP_Nav
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$52 a month for the entire season just to watch TV is asinine. Most games are on regular TV anyway & all you need is rabbit ears for that. People will waste their money on anything
 
ChexOrWrex said:
$52 a month for the entire season just to watch TV is asinine. Most games are on regular TV anyway & all you need is rabbit ears for that. People will waste their money on anything
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Rabbit ears are going to a thing of the past....at least here in canada...going all digital...and if your team is out of market....good luck
 
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I'll say it again, I'm glad to see the numbers falling, thats the only way for people who are upset with the sport to be heard.

I've slowly started to loose interest in the sport when they added the Chase years ago, and for the first time in forever I have not watched a second of Nascar this year because of the new points system.

I think they've ran off a large fan base with the amount of changes they've made to the sport.
 
DanicaFreak said:
Rabbit ears are going to a thing of the past....at least here in canada...going all digital...and if your team is out of market....good luck
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Rabbit ears or a digital adaptor - still a one time payment and you plug it in. I've always said NASCAR made the biggest mistake of their life when they took away half the season from regular TV and put it on cable. A lot of run of the mill nascar fans can't afford these big cable packages to watch nascar on FS1 and ESPN so they are stuck listening to it on the radio.

Speaking from my childhood experience
 
ChexOrWrex said:
Rabbit ears or a digital adaptor - still a one time payment and you plug it in. I've always said NASCAR made the biggest mistake of their life when they took away half the season from regular TV and put it on cable. A lot of run of the mill nascar fans can't afford these big cable packages to watch nascar on FS1 and ESPN so they are stuck listening to it on the radio.

Speaking from my childhood experience
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I see your point.....If they put the races on the main national networks they would differ from the NFL....
 
Go Panthers said:
I'll say it again, I'm glad to see the numbers falling, thats the only way for people who are upset with the sport to be heard.

I've slowly started to loose interest in the sport when they added the Chase years ago, and for the first time in forever I have not watched a second of Nascar this year because of the new points system.

I think they've ran off a large fan base with the amount of changes they've made to the sport.
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They do need to stop changing the rules every damn year, that much is true. It de-legitimatizes the sport. The last time the NFL had a major rule change was in 2012, and that was to improve the safety of the sport.

2012
  • The list of "defenseless players" is expanded to include defensive players on crackback blocks, making it illegal to hit them in the head or neck area.
  • Players are required to wear protective knee and thigh pads beginning with the 2013 season.
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SpeedPagan said:
They do need to stop changing the rules every damn year, that much is true. It de-legitimatizes the sport. The last time the NFL had a major rule change was in 2012, and that was to improve the safety of the sport.

2012
  • The list of "defenseless players" is expanded to include defensive players on crackback blocks, making it illegal to hit them in the head or neck area.
  • Players are required to wear protective knee and thigh pads beginning with the 2013 season.
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And that change is total BS. The refs have made the most ridiculous calls because of it :D
 
ChexOrWrex said:
And that change is total BS. The refs have made the most ridiculous calls because of it :D
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One rule change I wish NASCAR would make is mandatory SAFER barrier on all the walls of tracks that the Big Three series race at. That hit Denny Hamlin took in Fontana last year shouldn't have happened and he probably would've been better off had the wall he hit had a SAFER barrier on it.
 
Fox keeps trying to put NA$CAR back in the 40s - 50s with bootleggers racing on the weekends when they keep DW's Boogidy BS crap. The racing and drivers are coming from all over the country not just the back woods of the south and their fan base has changed also to all over the North American continent.

I think the new Chase format has been better for racing it seems the drivers are racing harder each lap. But it was nice to hear Larson say NA$CAR should think about doing neat races for qualifying for the fans.
 
blue92 said:
Fox keeps trying to put NA$CAR back in the 40s - 50s with bootleggers racing on the weekends when they keep DW's Boogidy BS crap. The racing and drivers are coming from all over the country not just the back woods of the south and their fan base has changed also to all over the North American continent.

I think the new Chase format has been better for racing it seems the drivers are racing harder each lap. But it was nice to hear Larson say NA$CAR should think about doing neat races for qualifying for the fans.
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Well heat races would be nice, but it'll never happen because it'd be too expensive and drivers and team owners don't want to take the risk of crashing their cars. I'm not saying that it's right, but that is the reality. This new qualifying format we have now is as close to a heat race as we're going to get.
 
ChexOrWrex said:
$52 a month for the entire season just to watch TV is asinine. Most games are on regular TV anyway & all you need is rabbit ears for that. People will waste their money on anything
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MLB.TV (baseball's online solution) is a little more reasonable. It's something like $120 for the whole season.
 
SpeedPagan said:
They do need to stop changing the rules every damn year, that much is true. It de-legitimatizes the sport. The last time the NFL had a major rule change was in 2012, and that was to improve the safety of the sport.

2012
  • The list of "defenseless players" is expanded to include defensive players on crackback blocks, making it illegal to hit them in the head or neck area.
  • Players are required to wear protective knee and thigh pads beginning with the 2013 season.
source.
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You're mistaken. The NFL owners change quite a few rules every year at the owner's meeting.

2012 rule changes (you missed a few):

  • The Replay Booth can initiate replay reviews on turnover plays at any time during the game, similar to a change made in the 2011 season regarding booth reviews on scoring plays outside of the final 2:00 of the game or in overtime. The penalty for throwing a challenge flag immediately after such "unchallengable" plays was also modified: in addition to the 15-yard unsportsmanlike conduct penalty, the Replay Booth will automatically rule that the call will stand without initiating a replay review[36][37](this part of the rule was repealed prior to the 2013 season)
  • Instant Replay is also expanded to include the following situations
    • A Ruling of "runner out of Bounds" when there is a Fumble and a recovery following that fumble
    • A Ruling of "incomplete Forward Pass" when there is a Backward Pass and a recovery following the backward pass[38]
  • The overtime rules in the playoffs (adopted for the 2010 season) would be extended to the regular season. Instead of a straight sudden death, the game will not immediately end if the team that wins the coin toss only scores a field goal on its first possession (they can still win the game if they score a touchdown). Instead, the other team gets a possession. If the coin toss loser then scores a touchdown, it is declared the winner. If the score is tied after both teams had a possession whether the coin toss loser scored a field goal to tie it or punted it away, then it goes back to sudden death. If the score remains tied at the end of overtime, the game ends in a tie.
    • The first regular season game that the new overtime rules were used was a Week 1 contest between the Jacksonville Jaguars and the Minnesota Vikings. Minnesota took the opening kickoff of overtime and scored on a field goal, then stopped Jacksonville on fourth down.
    • The first regular season game where both teams scored a field goal on their respective first possessions of overtime was the Week 11 game between the Jaguars and the Houston Texans. The Texans then won the game, becoming the first NFL team to score twice in overtime under the new format.
  • The penalty for 12 men on the field (not in the huddle) is changed from a live-ball foul to a dead-ball foul, with the whistle being blown if the defense has 12 men on the field and the "snap is imminent".
  • Adding anyone who is subject to a crack-back block to the list of defenseless players.[39]
  • Last names on uniforms can now include generational suffixes such as Roman numerals (in the case of Robert Griffin III), Junior (Jr.), and Senior (Sr.) designations.[40]
2013 rule changes:

  • The "no-challenge" rule adopted prior to the 2012 season was modified to eliminate the automatic "no-review" penalty when a coach challenges a play that is subject to automatic review by the replay booth (turnovers, scoring plays, and any play inside of the two-minute warning). This change was prompted after last season's Thanksgiving Day game when Detroit Lions' head coach Jim Schwartz threw a challenge flag on a play where replay clearly showed Houston Texans' running back Justin Forsett's knee touched the ground, but was able to get up and score a touchdown. Due to the way the rule was written at the time the penalty for the errant challenge prevented the play from being reviewed.[119] Under the revised rule teams will be charged a time-out (or an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty if the team is out of time-outs) when a coach throws a challenge flag on a booth-reviewable play, but the play will still be reviewed if the replay booth believes a review is necessary.[117] This change has been referred to as the "Jim Schwartz rule".[120]
  • Making it a fumble when a player loses possession of the football while in the act of trying to bring it back to his body. This abolishes the so-called "tuck rule" which was adopted prior to the 1999 season. Under the revised rule it will be ruled a fumble when a quarterback loses possession of the ball after a pump fake while bringing the ball back to his body.[117]
  • Tight ends and H-backs will now be permitted to wear uniform numbers 40-49 as well as 80-89. Previously the two positions were treated separately with tight ends allowed to wear only 80-89 and H-backs limited to wearing 40-49.[117]
  • "Peel-back" blocks will now result in 15-yard personal foul penalties anywhere on the field. Previously, these type of blocks were permitted within the "tackle box."
  • On field goal and extra point attempts, long snappers will now be considered defenseless players. In addition, defensive players are prohibited from blocking low at the snap of a scrimmage kick.[117]
  • For field goal and extra point attempts the defensive team can have no more than six players on either side of the ball at the snap (5 yard penalty), and players cannot push teammates into blockers (15 yard penalty).[117]
  • Any player at least three yards downfield or outside of the "tackle box" who leads with his helmet on a hit will be penalized 15 yards for unnecessary roughness. If both offensive and defensive players lead with helmets on the same play, both will be penalized.[117]

2014 rule changes:

  • Eliminating the Referee's time out after a sack (previously the clock did not stop for a sack only after the two-minute warning).
  • Simplify spot of enforcement on defensive fouls committed behind the line of scrimmage to enforce from the previous spot instead of the end of the run or the spot of the foul.
  • Raise the height of the goal post to 35 feet from its current height of 30 feet, where it has been since the 1974 NFL Season.
  • Extend the restriction on roll-up blocks to include such blocks from the side as well as from the back.
  • "Dunking" the football through the goal post/crossbar (or any other means of using the goal post/crossbar as a prop in touchdown celebrations) is now considered unsportsmanlike conduct (15 yards). This rule was in response to New Orleans Saints tight end Jimmy Graham's tendency to dunk the football after scores. One of Graham's dunks during the Saints' Week 12 game against the Atlanta Falcons bent the goal posts so much that the game was delayed several minutes in order for the stadium crew to make repairs. In addition, the aforementioned rule change to extend the goal posts will add extra weight, increasing the chances that it could collapse. This celebration was previously "grandfathered" as legal much like the Lambeau Leap.
  • Expand replays to cover recovery of loose balls even if the play is blown dead. This was in response to San Francisco 49ers defensive player NaVorro Bowman's clear recovery of a loose ball and downed by contact in the 2013-14 NFL playoffs but the ball was still given to the Seattle Seahawks after Seahawks running back Michael Robinson took it away from Bowman after Bowman was forced to let go of the ball due to a severe knee injury. Despite the indisputable video evidence of the recovery by Bowman, the play was not reviewable.
  • Connecting the officiating command center to the field-to-booth communication relay, allowing the Referee to communicate with the command center during replay reviews. This was in response to some controversial replay reviews during the 2013 season, as well as league officials observing the NHL's command center. Unlike the NHL's replay system however, NFL referees will still make the final decisions instead of the command center.
  • Make on-field taunting and use of racial/sexual slurs subject to unsportsmanlike conduct penalties (15 yards).
All from wikipedia
 
ChexOrWrex said:
$52 a month for the entire season just to watch TV is asinine. Most games are on regular TV anyway & all you need is rabbit ears for that. People will waste their money on anything
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But with the NFL there is more than 1 game a weekend unlike NASCAR.The ones who pay for the NFL want to watch their team who's game may not be on in their area every week.
 
So nascar has to address the ratings somehow, they can't ignore them.

What do you think they will do?
 
ChexOrWrex said:
Rabbit ears or a digital adaptor - still a one time payment and you plug it in. I've always said NASCAR made the biggest mistake of their life when they took away half the season from regular TV and put it on cable. A lot of run of the mill nascar fans can't afford these big cable packages to watch nascar on FS1 and ESPN so they are stuck listening to it on the radio.

Speaking from my childhood experience
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NASCAR didn't move the races from broadcast to cable, ESPN did and that is a part of their overall business model. They also moved the BCS to cable. Unfortunately, FOX is adapting the same business model having moved the MLB games to FOX Sucks 1.
 
As for the people who hate the new Chase, I find it funny. NASCAR eliminated points racing and every single race has been a good one. I guess NASCAR fans are fans of boring, follow-the-leader, cookie cutter, drivers being satisfied with a 13th place finish points racing after all. :( If that's the case, and it appears to be, we might as well shut off the lights now.
 
3.482 million viewers for the all star race. Last yr 3.7 million.
Less off in viewers than expected.
 
Someone on the board may know more of how the ratings are tallied than I do and knows how/if it’s figured in.

It’s rare for me to watch a race live. I DVR the things. Before that I taped them. This time of year it’s too nice out to be tied to a TV set. If I’m outdoors in a match the radio isn’t an option. It isn’t difficult to avoid spoilers until I have the time to watch the recording. Fast forwarding through the commercials and lap after lap of follow-the-leader “racing” they don’t take nearly as much time to watch either. Another advantage is minimizing the exposure to the “personalities” in the booth running their collective mouths

In this house, I stuck with cable. If I canned it my wife would make life unlivable.
 
R Clarence said:
Someone on the board may know more of how the ratings are tallied than I do and knows how/if it’s figured in.

It’s rare for me to watch a race live. I DVR the things. Before that I taped them. This time of year it’s too nice out to be tied to a TV set. If I’m outdoors in a match the radio isn’t an option. It isn’t difficult to avoid spoilers until I have the time to watch the recording. Fast forwarding through the commercials and lap after lap of follow-the-leader “racing” they don’t take nearly as much time to watch either. Another advantage is minimizing the exposure to the “personalities” in the booth running their collective mouths

In this house, I stuck with cable. If I canned it my wife would make life unlivable.
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DVR IS tallied in the ratings. And from my understanding, they're going to be changing the ratings system here soon to factor in social media and internet streaming.
 
R Clarence said:
Someone on the board may know more of how the ratings are tallied than I do and knows how/if it’s figured in.

It’s rare for me to watch a race live. I DVR the things. Before that I taped them. This time of year it’s too nice out to be tied to a TV set. If I’m outdoors in a match the radio isn’t an option. It isn’t difficult to avoid spoilers until I have the time to watch the recording. Fast forwarding through the commercials and lap after lap of follow-the-leader “racing” they don’t take nearly as much time to watch either. Another advantage is minimizing the exposure to the “personalities” in the booth running their collective mouths

In this house, I stuck with cable. If I canned it my wife would make life unlivable.
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my GF has to have the food network and TLC...apparently the "property brothers" are cute...lol
 
Nascar isn't gonna publicly talk ratings. If it did it would only be to say how it wins it's timeslot and most weeks is still the highest rated sports event of the weekend.

Speaking about the fox on air talent. Joy,Voda,Byrnes,Yocum are all in multi yr deals. Larry and DW deals end after this yr. I think fox is primed to make changes to the booth and prerace shows starting next season
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
I think television coverage is part of it. Unfortunately, the worst coverage is going to stick around with us for a decade.
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There's no question TV is part of it, I hate the Fox coverage, but I don't think thats why the numbers have fallen off so much.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
As for the people who hate the new Chase, I find it funny. NASCAR eliminated points racing and every single race has been a good one. I guess NASCAR fans are fans of boring, follow-the-leader, cookie cutter, drivers being satisfied with a 13th place finish points racing after all. :( If that's the case, and it appears to be, we might as well shut off the lights now.
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True. although I dont know if the good racing is a product of this new car or the rule changes or a combo of both

mike honcho said:
.The ones who pay for the NFL want to watch their team who's game may not be on in their area every week.
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I root for my local team so I dont have that problem :p:D
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
NASCAR CAN and WILL shut down the pirated streams. Enjoy your fun while it lasts.
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Yeah because it is working so well for the NFL. Steams are on foriegn soil which is making it a lot harder for them to shut them down. NFL has been trying to shut downs streams for years and aren't very good at it. If Nascar finally does decide to pay attention to streams do you think they will be any better at it than the NFL? Probably not.
 
The racing has been good this year. I hope they don't go with any knee-jerk changes just to get a better number. I wonder how the audience compares over a long period of time.
 
KevinWI said:
The Milwaukee Brewers and NASCAR are the only reason I have cable. And the times when the Packers are playing on Monday Night Football. If it wasn't for sports I wouldn't need cable at all.
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You can find online streams for every single one of these. I can't watch my Astros any more on cable, because they moved from Fox Sports Southwest to Comcast Houston. No cable company will deal with Comcast so I can't watch them. Hello internet streams. When I work on Sundays I watch NFL and Nascar from my work PC. When their are night races on Saturday and the wifey wants to go out I pull up the JustinTV app on my phone and find a stream of the race. Technology is happening, and the companies not keeping up is why we pirate things. If there was a Nascar or NFL app that let me pull up streams of races and games I'd be all over that in a heart beat.
 
Jeffrey00 said:
You can find online streams for every single one of these. I can't watch my Astros any more on cable, because they moved from Fox Sports Southwest to Comcast Houston. No cable company will deal with Comcast so I can't watch them. Hello internet streams. When I work on Sundays I watch NFL and Nascar from my work PC. When their are night races on Saturday and the wifey wants to go out I pull up the JustinTV app on my phone and find a stream of the race. Technology is happening, and the companies not keeping up is why we pirate things. If there was a Nascar or NFL app that let me pull up streams of races and games I'd be all over that in a heart beat.
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I used to write for a technology news website that went out of business because the 10% of our visitors who made up 90% of the traffic used ad blockers. So, I have moral and ethical issues stealing content. Not to mention the Chinese and Thai websites that would copy and paste entire articles whole hock (even with my byline!). The cable bill is steep but I'd rather pay for it and do things the right way.
 
blue92 said:
Fox keeps trying to put NA$CAR back in the 40s - 50s with bootleggers racing on the weekends when they keep DW's Boogidy BS crap. The racing and drivers are coming from all over the country not just the back woods of the south and their fan base has changed also to all over the North American continent.

I think the new Chase format has been better for racing it seems the drivers are racing harder each lap. But it was nice to hear Larson say NA$CAR should think about doing neat races for qualifying for the fans.
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It is time for Fox to revamp their booth. They can keep DW on as an analyst, but move him out of the booth. With ESPN and TNT going bye bye their is great talent available like Craven, Petty, Jarrett, Dallenbach...
 
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KevinWI said:
I used to write for a technology news website that went out of business because the 10% of our visitors who made up 90% of the traffic used ad blockers. So, I have moral and ethical issues stealing content. Not to mention the Chinese and Thai websites that would copy and paste entire articles whole hock (even with my byline!). The cable bill is steep but I'd rather pay for it and do things the right way.
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I pay $170 for cable and internet, plus $130 more a month for cell phone and data. That is $300 a month just in media alone. So I am cool with streaming a few games and races a year.

That isn't even to mention subscription based services through Google and Netflix.
 
Jeffrey00 said:
It is time for Fox to revamp their both. They can keep DW on as an analyst, but move him out of the both. With ESPN and TNT going bye bye their is great talent available like Craven, Petty, Jarrett, Dallenbach...
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Ricky Craven in particular is a great analyst. It will be a shame if he doesn't get picked up by someone.
 
KevinWI said:
I used to write for a technology news website that went out of business because the 10% of our visitors who made up 90% of the traffic used ad blockers.
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The Tech News site went down because they didnt see the trend of ad blockers coming. Ironic.
 
ChexOrWrex said:
The Tech News site went down because they didnt see the trend of ad blockers coming. Ironic.
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How are websites supposed to monetize content without banner ads? The Verge and Gizmodo can eat the loss, we couldn't. We saw it coming a mile away, but there's not really many solutions. A JavaScript solution to make the ads load first (thereby by blocking people using ad blockers from seeing anything) would just turn people away (and there are ways around that anyway). We weren't big enough for a pay wall and it's hard to employ 8 full-time writers on donations.

The problem our (and I'm in my mid-20s, so I'll include myself in this) generation has is that we think we have a right to something for free simply because it exists.

Personally, I would love it if somebody threw a molotov ****tail in the face of the AdBlock Plus people and you can ****** quote me on that.
 
KevinWI said:
How are websites supposed to monetize content without banner ads? The Verge and Gizmodo can eat the loss, we couldn't.

The problem our (and I'm in my mid-20s, so I'll include myself in this) generation has is that we think we have a right to something for free simply because it exists.
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Gotta adapt with the trends man. Company will have to learn to lay off the intrusive ads. PageFair is supposed to have a platform that guides publishers to have acceptable forms of online advertising. Not knocking you man, just saying its the way of the internet. Its not a stable enviroment
 
KevinWI said:
How are websites supposed to monetize content without banner ads? The Verge and Gizmodo can eat the loss, we couldn't. We saw it coming a mile away, but there's not really many solutions. A JavaScript solution to make the ads load first (thereby by blocking people using ad blockers from seeing anything) would just turn people away (and there are ways around that anyway). We weren't big enough for a pay wall and it's hard to employ 8 full-time writers on donations.

The problem our (and I'm in my mid-20s, so I'll include myself in this) generation has is that we think we have a right to something for free simply because it exists.

Personally, I would love it if somebody threw a molotov ****tail in the face of the AdBlock Plus people and you can ******* quote me on that.
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For me it isn't that I think I have the right to have it free, I just feel justified that I can do it because I already pay for the service. I have cable at my house, so what is the difference in me watching at home vs on a computer some where? The only thing I watch online that I can't otherwise at home is the Astros games. In all honestly I wouldn't stream them if I could get them locally, but I can't. None of my local cable companies carries Comcast Houston, and I can't purchase them through MLB.TV because I am in the local black out area for that team.
 
ChexOrWrex said:
Gotta adapt with the trends man. Company will have to learn to lay off the intrusive ads. PageFair is supposed to have a platform that guides publishers to have acceptable forms of online advertising. Not knocking you man, just saying its the way of the internet. Its not a stable enviroment
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Yeah, PageFair and the "whitelisting" stuff that AdBlock Plus has introduced are great in theory, but you and I both know that 99% of people who use ad blockers want ALL ads blocked, regardless if they're done tastefully.
 
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