And You Wanted NBC

Skoalbandit33 said:
I thought the broadcast trio improved over last year and I am going to give them a chance to hopefully improve even more. I didn't hate the helmet cam but about 3 10 second shots throughout the race would be plenty for me.
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Not sure what lap it was, late in the race, but I saw what looked like a complete lap behind the wheel. Watching the hands on the wheel, climbing the baking, transitioning back onto the lower banking was pretty interesting IMO. I didn't really feel that it was overdone.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
I don't have the same experience. My picture quality looks great.
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But inferior to NBC by a lot.

Only way you can't see a difference is if you're TV is only 720p, or if your cable box settings are maxed at 720p. My old TV was 720p LCD TV so I never saw the difference but I do see it on my 1080p Samsung.
 
Only thing I really dont like about NBC is that bat cam and Steve Letarte. Bat cam was horrible in my opinion and didnt give a good view of the cars. Letarte does alot of complaining when a team does something he really doesn't agree with and his voice is awful. I think Rick Allen is the best part if the broadcast team though. He has a broadcasters voice and brings some excitement to the booth which Burton and Letarte totally lack.
 
Here's a good illustration about resolutions.

The green is Fox and the purple is NBC.

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ChexOrWrex said:
Thats just a resolution chart, not a chart based on networks. Fox has been filming in atleast 1080p for a while & even had Martinsville in 4k. Sounds like its just operator error in your resolution woes.
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Fox Sports is 720p.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_Sports_1

http://forums.xfinity.com/t5/Channe...OX-SPORTS-IS-720-INSTEAD-OF-1080/td-p/2608589



Common complaint with sports fans, Fox's picture quality is inferior to CBS, NBC and ESPN. All sports used to be done in 720 for some technical reason, but the rest are in 1080 now. Not one single Fox network broadcasts in 1080.
 
ChexOrWrex said:
Ive been able to set streams to 1080p for a long time :idunno: Semantics
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Doesn't make a difference if Fox's output is only 720p.

My video camera shoots in 4K. Doesn't make a damn bit of difference when I encode my videos in 720p. You can click all the options in the world to make it 4K, but when it's transmitted in 720p, that's what you're going to get.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Doesn't make a difference if Fox's output is only 720p.

My video camera shoots in 4K. Doesn't make a damn bit of difference when I encode my videos in 720p. You can click all the options in the world to make it 4K, but when it's transmitted in 720p, that's what you're going to get.
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I'm just glad I have color T.V...... I don't sweat the pixels.... no one ever heard of pixels in 1964 when we were watching Wide World of Sports on a black and white box and had to go outside to turn the antenna to get any kind of picture..... everyone now is so damned spoiled by all the new crap that comes out, they think they are disadvantaged if they don't have a screen that makes them look like they are sitting in the middle of the action......

Of course most of you guys that bitch about the T.V. quality never saw a black and white T.V........ or a T.V. antenna.......
 
kymartin6 said:
I'm just glad I have color T.V...... I don't sweat the pixels.... no one ever heard of pixels in 1964 when we were watching Wide World of Sports on a black and white box and had to go outside to turn the antenna to get any kind of picture..... everyone now is so damned spoiled by all the new crap that comes out, they think they are disadvantaged if they don't have a screen that makes them look like they are sitting in the middle of the action......

Of course most of you guys that bitch about the T.V. quality never saw a black and white T.V........ or a T.V. antenna.......
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Not all of us are 800 years old. :p
 
kymartin6 said:
I'm just glad I have color T.V...... I don't sweat the pixels.... no one ever heard of pixels in 1964 when we were watching Wide World of Sports on a black and white box and had to go outside to turn the antenna to get any kind of picture..... everyone now is so damned spoiled by all the new crap that comes out, they think they are disadvantaged if they don't have a screen that makes them look like they are sitting in the middle of the action......

Of course most of you guys that bitch about the T.V. quality never saw a black and white T.V........ or a T.V. antenna.......
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Preach it brother! If I wanted to see John Wayne on certain afternoons it required going out and moving the antenna and running back in to see if you made tje picture better or worse. I bet the youngsters wouldn't know the horizontal hold from the vertical. Those were the days.
 
Skoalbandit33 said:
Preach it brother! If I wanted to see John Wayne on certain afternoons it required going out and moving the antenna and running back in to see if you made tje picture better or worse. I bet the youngsters wouldn't know the horizontal hold from the vertical. Those were the days.
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LOL..... on the horizontal and vertical...... it was a pretty tricky deal..... you thought you had it set just right......... then all of a sudden the picture would start to slowly roll........ aggrevating as as heck..... but.... you were used to it and that's just how it was....... :D
 
Old geezers think I don't know what an antenna is or a black and white TV, LOL. My first TV was a black and white TV set, and I had to move the antenna all over the place until I finally cut it off, stripped a coax cable and tied it to the antenna connection to get cable on the bitch. Used something else to hook my Playstation up to it as well. LOL.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Old geezers think I don't know what an antenna is or a black and white TV, LOL. My first TV was a black and white TV set, and I had to move the antenna all over the place until I finally cut it off, stripped a coax cable and tied it to the antenna connection to get cable on the bitch. Used something else to hook my Playstation up to it as well. LOL.
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Problem is they broadcast it in a boring way. Lol they need a few dirt track announcers who call the race like they just snorted two lines of cocaine
 
kymartin6 said:
I'm just glad I have color T.V...... I don't sweat the pixels.... no one ever heard of pixels in 1964 when we were watching Wide World of Sports on a black and white box and had to go outside to turn the antenna to get any kind of picture..... everyone now is so damned spoiled by all the new crap that comes out, they think they are disadvantaged if they don't have a screen that makes them look like they are sitting in the middle of the action......

Of course most of you guys that bitch about the T.V. quality never saw a black and white T.V........ or a T.V. antenna.......
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I still have my "showgun" antenna but my oldest TV is still color.
I do remember watching B&W Tv though.
Of course I am only 74.
 
NBC is using a much larger 'Side by Side' window. That alone is a winner in my book. Toss in a more restrained use of graphics, fewer in-car shots, no 'Crank It Up Memorial of the Week', and my decision is easy. They could have improved the 'Through the Field' segment, but it at least focused on some cars we wouldn't have otherwise heard about.

dpkimmel2001 said:
Not sure what lap it was, late in the race, but I saw what looked like a complete lap behind the wheel. Watching the hands on the wheel, climbing the baking, transitioning back onto the lower banking was pretty interesting IMO. I didn't really feel that it was overdone.
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Eh, I felt it was a bit long, but at least they only did it once. I think it can be informative as long as they don't beat it to death.

Simple Fan said:
Only thing I really dont like about NBC is that bat cam and Steve Letarte. Bat cam was horrible in my opinion and didnt give a good view of the cars. Letarte does alot of complaining when a team does something he really doesn't agree with and his voice is awful. I think Rick Allen is the best part if the broadcast team though. He has a broadcasters voice and brings some excitement to the booth which Burton and Letarte totally lack.
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I'm with you on batcam. Fortunately, I don't think there are many tracks with backstretch space to set it up.

Yogisd1 said:
Then you should have some respect for those of us that are. You don't get to live this long by being stupid. JK
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Just living long isn't enough by itself to automatically warrant respect. Dumb luck and a considerate family will get you a long way. I've met some pretty sharp young people.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
I didn't say it was SD quality, I said compared to NBC, Fox looks like an SD feed.

You can look it up, Fox Sports broadcasts at an inferior resolution than NBC Sports and CBS Sports. That's a fact. It's actually a common complaint with football fans, that Fox's picture quality is bad compared to CBS.
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To be fair, some of that is (or used to be, they might have changed it) because CBS doesn't let its affiliates maintain HD subchannels, which is known to degrade feed quality on the primary channel.
 
Skoalbandit33 said:
I thought the broadcast trio improved over last year and I am going to give them a chance to hopefully improve even more. I didn't hate the helmet cam but about 3 10 second shots throughout the race would be plenty for me.
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It should be 3 11 second shots throughout the race. And they should dump the current intro theme for this:

 
kymartin6 said:
I'm just glad I have color T.V...... I don't sweat the pixels.... no one ever heard of pixels in 1964 when we were watching Wide World of Sports on a black and white box and had to go outside to turn the antenna to get any kind of picture..... everyone now is so damned spoiled by all the new crap that comes out, they think they are disadvantaged if they don't have a screen that makes them look like they are sitting in the middle of the action......

Of course most of you guys that bitch about the T.V. quality never saw a black and white T.V........ or a T.V. antenna.......
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AndyMarquisLive said:
Not all of us are 800 years old. :p
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For 800 years has he watched TV. His own counsel, he will keep on what is good image quality...
 
Roman Nodonyet said:
To be fair, some of that is (or used to be, they might have changed it) because CBS doesn't let its affiliates maintain HD subchannels, which is known to degrade feed quality on the primary channel.
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That's got nothing to do with FS1 being 720p and NBCSN being 1080i. Or Fox News being 720p and MSNBC being 1080i.

Fox has inferior picture. They might do some 4k stuff but that's not relevant right now, 4k isn't mainstream yet. My next TV will be 4k but I'm waiting for there to be more than one part time 4k channel to make the move.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
That's got nothing to do with FS1 being 720p and NBCSN being 1080i. Or Fox News being 720p and MSNBC being 1080i.

Fox has inferior picture. They might do some 4k stuff but that's not relevant right now, 4k isn't mainstream yet. My next TV will be 4k but I'm waiting for there to be more than one part time 4k channel to make the move.
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Duly noted. I forgot we weren't just talking about broadcast for a moment.

I will also say it's a revelation watching Lucas Oil Off Road on CBSSN compared to when it used to be on FS1 (and Speed before that), and that's a tape-only series...
 
Roman Nodonyet said:
Duly noted. I forgot we weren't just talking about broadcast for a moment.

I will also say it's a revelation watching Lucas Oil Off Road on CBSSN compared to when it used to be on FS1 (and Speed before that), and that's a tape-only series...
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CBS Sports Network is awesome.
 
I really cant stand Jeff Burton

He's the type of person who always tries to talk positive and how excitign everything is

"Yes I know your house just got set on fire, but look at teh bright side, your car didnt"
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
That's got nothing to do with FS1 being 720p and NBCSN being 1080i. Or Fox News being 720p and MSNBC being 1080i.

Fox has inferior picture. They might do some 4k stuff but that's not relevant right now, 4k isn't mainstream yet. My next TV will be 4k but I'm waiting for there to be more than one part time 4k channel to make the move.
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In my America, I judge my programing not by the pixels of the picture, but by the content of the comentators.
 
Old 97 said:
In my America, I judge my programing not by the pixels of the picture, but by the content of the comentators.
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In that case neither NBC or Fox have anything to brag about. As long as they operate under the false impression that there can be NO DEAD AIR time, they will never get it right. When you listen to drivers in the booth, they seem to say something relevant concerning what is happening on track. You can tell they have given this more than 30 seconds thought. JMO
 
i used to watch nascar direct sat feeds on my c-band bud.
the 720p 38mbs video was the best.
much better than any 1080 cable or pizza pan video.
 
Matthew2470 said:
AND AROUND GOES AGGRESSIVE!
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What's the problem with the phrase 'And around goes ...'?

If you've listened to MRN, you know all their broadcasters exclusively use the phrase 'Trouble in turn ...' when there's an accident. Nobody's expressed a problem with that. Indeed, it lets everyone listening know to pay attention again if they've been talking to others or focusing on tasks while listening. For this reason, I appreciate a consistent approach.

What do some of y'all want, a completely original phrasing for each spin-out over the course of the season?
 
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