Kurt was a champion when he joined Penske, yet he never repeated while still in his prime. Newman was Mr Pole at Penske, and not much more. Brad and Paul won the championship as 1 of just 2 Dodges in cup. all I'm saying is what Roger said. He wasn't attracting top drivers [for some time] until Brad won the championship. Sorry, but I'm not going to argue with Roger. He knows the facts better than both of us.