Cone Rule

I've only missed about ten races since 1989, and I don't remember ever seeing this happen until about two years ago.
 
clarkfn2284 said:
You do not have to like the idea, but let's not lose all ability to be objective to it.
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I was objective to it until I did my research and seen how it works. Choosing a side isn't strategy in my opinion and will lead to more follow the leader racing which everyone seems to hate. If it's so much of a problem single file restarts at short tracks are a better solution. Myself I don't see it as a problem and think what they have now is perfect.

If I'm to truly be objective to it and take my opinion of the rule out of the equation I still don't see how it benefits NASCAR to implement it. It's a local short track thing and NASCAR is above that level of competition. I get why and how it works for them but just don't see how they'd apply it to NASCAR without making changes to it later on, which no one wants to see another overtime line situation.
 
Formerjackman said:
Any format where you can win the first 35 races, finish 2nd in the 36th race and LOSE the championship is a gimmick.
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Ah, the Godwin's Law of Nascar! You lose, sucker! :D
Formerjackman said:
Ryan Newman ALMOST won a title and he didn't even have a single top 5 until the Chase started. That tells me all I need to know about this format.
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In the era before the chase, there were multiple years when Newman-esque points racers won championships. That is the nature of a points scale that goes all the way from victory to last place in a near-linear manner. That scale will always prop up the mid-field and under-reward the winners.

There are parts of the current championship format that I'd do differently - if I were the King of Nascar - but it does give incentive and reward to winners better than "back in the day," and it has restored the relevance of the regular season that was missing before this year.
 
LewTheShoe said:
Ah, the Godwin's Law of Nascar! You lose, sucker! :D

In the era before the chase, there were multiple years when Newman-esque points racers won championships. That is the nature of a points scale that goes all the way from victory to last place in a near-linear manner. That scale will always prop up the mid-field and under-reward the winners.

There are parts of the current championship format that I'd do differently - if I were the King of Nascar - but it does give incentive and reward to winners better than "back in the day," and it has restored the relevance of the regular season that was missing before this year.
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I would agree 100% that winning was under represented in the past, but the current format takes it absurdly 180 degrees the opposite direction. Now, winning a race carries FAR too much weight. Austin Dillon, Kasey Kahne, Ryan Newman, Ricky Stenhouse, looking right at YOU. A win should be able to make up for some sub par finishes, but it should guarantee NOTHING. Also, go back at look at the LEAST number of top fives and top tens by a champion under the old format, and it blow away Newman's close call season. Look, I NEVER wanted the Chase and STILL hate every bit of it, BUT, if I did have to administer the stupid thing, I would change it to where even MAKING the Chase would be SUPER exclusive, (like maybe five) not something half the field can do.
 
Formerjackman said:
I would agree 100% that winning was under represented in the past, but the current format takes it absurdly 180 degrees the opposite direction. Now, winning a race carries FAR too much weight. Austin Dillon, Kasey Kahne, Ryan Newman, Ricky Stenhouse, looking right at YOU. A win should be able to make up for some sub par finishes, but it should guarantee NOTHING. Also, go back at look at the LEAST number of top fives and top tens by a champion under the old format, and it blow away Newman's close call season. Look, I NEVER wanted the Chase and STILL hate every bit of it, BUT, if I did have to administer the stupid thing, I would change it to where even MAKING the Chase would be SUPER exclusive, (like maybe five) not something half the field can do.
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I agree currently if you get one win, and a waiver note by your mama that you wanted to start every race, you are in.
A 30th in points minimum requirement is an incredibly low threshold as well.
 
Formerjackman said:
I would agree 100% that winning was under represented in the past, but the current format takes it absurdly 180 degrees the opposite direction. Now, winning a race carries FAR too much weight. Austin Dillon, Kasey Kahne, Ryan Newman, Ricky Stenhouse, looking right at YOU. A win should be able to make up for some sub par finishes, but it should guarantee NOTHING. Also, go back at look at the LEAST number of top fives and top tens by a champion under the old format, and it blow away Newman's close call season. Look, I NEVER wanted the Chase and STILL hate every bit of it, BUT, if I did have to administer the stupid thing, I would change it to where even MAKING the Chase would be SUPER exclusive, (like maybe five) not something half the field can do.
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Jackman, I don't disagree with what you wrote, except the part I bolded. The win those guys lucked into guarantees they get in the round of 16, but nothing more. If they can't cut it, they will exit the playoff PDQ. And the cards are stacked against them, because the best teams who excelled consistently all year have amassed a pile of bonus points. So that's not a bad result IMO.

It is still *possible* for an undeserving driver to luck into the championship, but the odds of that have gone down substantially with the 2017 changes. What got Newman to Homestead in 2014 would not get him there in 2017.
 
problem is there is always going to be a Danny Hamlin stopping on pit road and damaging other race cars so he can lose a position to get in a favored lane. That is the problem. Who cares for or against a cone, black flag the sucker, hold him a lap, whatever, it won't help the racers behind the driver that sustain damage. That's racing?...nah that's stupid. It's sorta like child protective caps, you have to be smarter than the Hambone. Probably could be handled in the drivers meeting, your out of the race if we see you sandbagging. This is two races in a row he has pulled that ****. Probably do it again at Martinsville.
 
kyle18fan said:
I tend to exaggerate ....... pay no mind to me ............ nobody else does ;)
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Mis'd opportunity for the classic line, don't call me Shirley. Although that may only be a southern thing and I'm not sure if you're southern.
 
Simple Fan said:
If it's so much of a problem single file restarts at short tracks are a better solution.
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First you don't like it because all the cars will take the preferred line and someone from 20th on back will jump up to start beside the leader. Then you say single file restart is better.
I think your biggest argument is with yourself. You voiced an opinion and your going to stay with it until the cows come home. The funny thing is we haven't seen this in Nascar so how can anyone be so positive they are right and everyone else is wrong????????
 
StandOnIt said:
problem is there is always going to be a Danny Hamlin stopping on pit road and damaging other race cars so he can lose a position to get in a favored lane. That is the problem. Who cares for or against a cone, black flag the sucker, hold him a lap, whatever, it won't help the racers behind the driver that sustain damage. That's racing?...nah that's stupid. It's sorta like child protective caps, you have to be smarter than the Hambone. Probably could be handled in the drivers meeting, your out of the race if we see you sandbagging. This is two races in a row he has pulled that sh!t. Probably do it again at Martinsville.
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Thank you. No new rules required. If you hit your breaks or let off the gas once you have passed the line, pack up your car and go home. No stupid fines, no arguments and if the CC wants to argue give him a 5 wk holiday.
The problem Nascar has is they are afraid to enforce their own rules in case the wrong sponsor gets indignant. It isn't rocket science. You fail inspection twice, pack up and go home. The bloody CC and Car Chief will soon make sure their car passes.
What I would like to see is a car rolled into position and the claw is slammed down. If the car is out of spec it will get crushed. :D
 
Team Penske said:
First you don't like it because all the cars will take the preferred line and someone from 20th on back will jump up to start beside the leader. Then you say single file restart is better.
I think your biggest argument is with yourself. You voiced an opinion and your going to stay with it until the cows come home. The funny thing is we haven't seen this in Nascar so how can anyone be so positive they are right and everyone else is wrong????????
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I don't like the whole concept of the idea, giving anyone but the leader lane choice. I'm voicing my opinion against the idea after seeing a few videos and looking up how it works. I'm not part of the NASCAR fan council but have tried a few times and if I can voice my opinion and someone on here that agrees with what I'm saying is, thats best I can do to voice my opinion to NASCAR. Maybe I could even change someone's mind, at least I tried.
 
I always wondered why they didn't use the cone for restarts like what we saw at the Brickyard to make it single file on the second attempt
 
kyle18fan said:
I feel at home in the south when I am there and love the people
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I feel ya, been to NYC one time and it was enough for me. They don't even have biscuits and gravy in the McDonalds, its crazy. Been all over the South though and always felt at home, well except for Florida.
 
Team Penske said:
Thank you. No new rules required. If you hit your breaks or let off the gas once you have passed the line, pack up your car and go home. No stupid fines, no arguments and if the CC wants to argue give him a 5 wk holiday.
The problem Nascar has is they are afraid to enforce their own rules in case the wrong sponsor gets indignant. It isn't rocket science. You fail inspection twice, pack up and go home. The bloody CC and Car Chief will soon make sure their car passes.
What I would like to see is a car rolled into position and the claw is slammed down. If the car is out of spec it will get crushed. :D
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the cone is just one solution of many. Knowing Nascar, they threw it out there to see what social media thought about it. IMO a cone would give more commercial time, adds suspense, and the way the wind is blowing it won't surprise me a bit if it goes that way. But then again if they do absolutely nothing and the Hambone's on the track continue to do it I wouldn't be surprised either. Stranger things have happened..the timer in the trucks? It's too simple to set a driver out for doing that, because you always have to look at everything from sponsors or potential sponsors eyes. Tony Stewart talked about that at Eldora. He was thinking about getting better aluminum seats. But then he said some of his customers had been sitting in the same seats the same section for over 20 years so he didn't change anything.
 
StandOnIt said:
IMO a cone would give more commercial time
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Please, I can hear DW now calling every side a driver chooses and hyping it up like its the greatest thing ever and then see all kinds of post complaining about DW. No difference with the NBC crew either as it would just be Rick Allen instead.
 
This thread is probably a good representation of who goes to their local short track and who doesn't
 
LewTheShoe said:
Jackman, I don't disagree with what you wrote, except the part I bolded. The win those guys lucked into guarantees they get in the round of 16, but nothing more. If they can't cut it, they will exit the playoff PDQ. And the cards are stacked against them, because the best teams who excelled consistently all year have amassed a pile of bonus points. So that's not a bad result IMO.

It is still *possible* for an undeserving driver to luck into the championship, but the odds of that have gone down substantially with the 2017 changes. What got Newman to Homestead in 2014 would not get him there in 2017.
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I agree that the latest format change would make it a lot more difficult, but not impossible, and even though the odds of those drivers advancing to round two seems slim, it's still possible. Suppose Kahne gets hot all of the sudden and just happens to win a race or two? The idea of drivers that can barely break the top twenty in points having a chance to compete for a championship, no matter how long the odds are offends the hell out of me and cheapens the whole thing in my opinion. As I have stated, once you get through 26 races, you would be lucky to have FIVE teams that deserve a shot. I get sick and tired of rewarding mediocrity. In case you're wondering NONE of the drivers I actively support would make the cut this year under my rules.
 
Best explanation of why they should race the whole season and total points wins it all.
They could even keep the stages for the extra points.
 
Simple Fan said:
I feel ya, been to NYC one time and it was enough for me. They don't even have biscuits and gravy in the McDonalds, its crazy. Been all over the South though and always felt at home, well except for Florida.
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And you're from caintuky? :XXROFL::XXROFL: Have a good day. :XXROFL:
 
What if someone runs over the cone pushing it out of the way?
 
JohnHill said:
What if someone runs over the cone pushing it out of the way?
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In the outside possibility that this rule is ever enacted, a cone probably wouldn't be used. It'd simply be a mark of some sort painted onto the track surface. Something that would eliminate the need to have anyone on the track or anything being struck to be pushed out of the way.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
In the outside possibility that this rule is ever enacted, a cone probably wouldn't be used. It'd simply be a mark of some sort painted onto the track surface. Something that would eliminate the need to have anyone on the track or anything being struck to be pushed out of the way.
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Damn, I had a vision of Mikey out there with a flag.
 
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