Cup RACE thread --- Pocono

[Jorge De Guzman]

I give him credit, he believes his own lies…”it’s not a lie if you believe it”

 

[Charlie Spencer]

"it’s not a lie if you believe it”

Believing doesn't make it true, it makes you mistaken.

 

[Blaze]

Ngl. This popped me

 

[Greg]

Ngl. This popped me

 

[FLRacingFan]

Preece got used up by Lajoie

I don’t agree with how he reacted on pit road but he’s been used up or flat dumped very late in the race two weeks in a row now. I’d be heated too.

Just don’t jump a guy while he’s strapped into his car still.

 

[West]

Hamlin just realised that he's not gettin any younger and still no championship. I've seen a lot worst that moving Larson up, no big deal, play to win.

 

[Blaze]

Someone had to step up and be the new top heel after the Kyle Busch face turn.

 

[hmmm298]

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He was definitely number 1. Twice for each person there. Can’t beat that.

 

[Jorge De Guzman]

Believing doesn't make it true, it makes you mistaken.

It’s a line from Seinfeld and the character George Costanza. The whole premise of that episode was your response post to mine

 

[Hikaru Kitsune]

Hamlin's going to end up being that one dude I can't stand whose impression I don't soften on as he gets older.

I softened on Jimmie, I softened on Kurt...

 

[Kiante]

Denny is the perfect anti-hero for the sport.

Always has been, always will be. Hate him now because when he retires, he will be missed greatly.

 

[Jorge De Guzman]

Denny is the perfect anti-hero for the sport.

Always has been, always will be. Hate him now because when he retires, he will be missed greatly.

I’m confident in my fan preferences that he will be the second driver I won’t miss at all when he retires. Rusty Wallace being the first one. I even miss Jimmie Johnson a tad and this is coming from a disgruntled JG fan who routinely had to watch his driver get beat by the 48 in the mid to late 00’s.

 

[StandOnIt]

Denny is the perfect anti-hero for the sport.

Always has been, always will be. Hate him now because when he retires, he will be missed greatly.

Yeah, I'll mourn for at least 5 minutes. Oh, the drama

 

[Ford 222]

Logano: "COME HERE!... STUPID SONS OF BITCHES"

Logano scolding track workers like they're his children for a bad tow job!

Omg I've never heard him this mad lol

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Not a good look. I understand his frustration and the heat of the moment anxiety trying to salvage points and save the car but being a complete dick to track workers doesn't look good. Hope he apologized or made it right later but doubt it.

 

[jaqua19]

I’m confident in my fan preferences that he will be the second driver I won’t miss at all when he retires. Rusty Wallace being the first one. I even miss Jimmie Johnson a tad and this is coming from a disgruntled JG fan who routinely had to watch his driver get beat by the 48 in the mid to late 00’s.

Rusty is a driver I never missed also.

I found the last 5 years of his career cringe worthy. He acted like he was the driver, car chief and crew chief - called the shots across the board and because the sport evolved past that, he got smoked.

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[Ford 222]

Denny is the perfect anti-hero for the sport.

Always has been, always will be. Hate him now because when he retires, he will be missed greatly.

I'll miss him possibly less than Kevin Harvick. KH's dickheadedness seems to be waning as he finally matures. DH's seems to be intensifying.

 

[Ford 222]

Rusty is a driver I never missed also.

I found the last 5 years of his career cringe worthy. He acted like he was the driver, car chief and crew chief - called the shots across the board and because the sport evolved past that, he got smoked.

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I think he's even gotten worse as he's aged. Kinda like DH...

 

[StandOnIt]

 

[Spotter22]

22 seconds in.....he pushes up, Denny gets to the inside. Larsons lifts, he makes the corner. Don't get me wrong, Denny didn't cut him any slack, but Larson wasn't perfect there....just like Kansas....he opened the door.

No sir, he got pushed in to 1 causing him to move up. I mean come on Rev, its clear as day on the video. Truex said the exact same thing i did about it. Called it dirty, his own teammate.

 

[Hikaru Kitsune]

I’m confident in my fan preferences that he will be the second driver I won’t miss at all when he retires. Rusty Wallace being the first one. I even miss Jimmie Johnson a tad and this is coming from a disgruntled JG fan who routinely had to watch his driver get beat by the 48 in the mid to late 00’s.

Nobody's going to have time to miss him, because he'll still be there every week running his mouth as a team owner.

 

[StandOnIt]

No sir, he got pushed in to 1 causing him to move up. I mean come on Rev, its clear as day on the video. Truex said the exact same thing i did about it. Called it dirty, his own teammate.

You have Flo, listen to what Larson said, it's under the High Limit Sprint car entry list.
Hamlin hit him, he WAS off the gas, the SMT data proved that, The in-car from Harvick shows the contact plainly.

You can see the whole thing from Harvick's car here:

 

[Old 97]

Larson cost DH a bunch of money when he said the bad word.
They were splitting flight costs at the time.
Denny probably still owes him a couple more.

 

[Charlie Spencer]

Denny is the perfect anti-hero for the sport.

Always has been, always will be. Hate him now because when he retires, he will be missed greatly.

I miss Mark Martin. I miss Ron Hornaday.

I don't need an anti-hero, I don't hate Denny, so I won't miss him. If I'm not missing Matt Kenseth, I won't miss Denny Hamlin.

 

[StandOnIt]

 

[Revman]

I miss Mark Martin. I miss Ron Hornaday.

I don't need an anti-hero, I don't hate Denny, so I won't miss him. If I'm not missing Matt Kenseth, I won't miss Denny Hamlin.

I love me an anti-hero....I think that it exposes the bias and passion that lives in just about every fan...granted it is more or less profound fan to fan. Look at the KB thing....Hated for many of the same reasons Denny is hated now. The difference could be team, manufacturer, or attitude. Who the hell knows, but I think it is cool. There's nothing wrong with Denny really. There have been dirtier drivers honestly.....I don't see a difference between pounding a guys ass at Martinsville into 3 and what Denny did. I am sure that there are old school guys who will flame me, but whatever. That hate is more about who Denny is rather than what he did.

Interestingly as I type this, KFB himself is on NASCAR Radio, and sees this as a new era of how to race. That's interesting.

 

[Ford 222]

Dale Jr's take on Hamlin/Larson.

Good stuff. I defy anyone to tell me they don't enjoy the controversy and drama created with this racing. And Jr's admission at the 9:40 mark is so true. Dale was before his time not skill wise but racecraft wise for sure. Incredible drivers back then didn't just adopt his racecraft or that NASCAR only allowed him to do it (which is how it seemed).

 

[StandOnIt]

I love me an anti-hero....I think that it exposes the bias and passion that lives in just about every fan...granted it is more or less profound fan to fan. Look at the KB thing....Hated for many of the same reasons Denny is hated now. The difference could be team, manufacturer, or attitude. Who the hell knows, but I think it is cool. There's nothing wrong with Denny really. There have been dirtier drivers honestly.....I don't see a difference between pounding a guys ass at Martinsville into 3 and what Denny did. I am sure that there are old school guys who will flame me, but whatever. That hate is more about who Denny is rather than what he did.

Interestingly as I type this, KFB himself is on NASCAR Radio, and sees this as a new era of how to race. That's interesting.

Yeah, I don't think it would be any harm at all to rename your 18 yota shrine pieces to the 11, a magic marker could make short work of it.

 

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[Conover]

You have Flo, listen to what Larson said, it's under the High Limit Sprint car entry list.
Hamlin hit him, he WAS off the gas, the SMT data proved that, The in-car from Harvick shows the contact plainly.

You can see the whole thing from Harvick's car here:

Absolute evidence, from Harvick’s car, of the contact and lean into the 5. McReynolds made the point that Larson gave up some of that space (opening the door) but Ham$#/+ used his previously admitted “patented push” to wall yet another driver. Dorky Denny needs to be on multiple lists…and get severe payback one race at a time. Hopefully he’s taken out in a must finish well event during the chase.

 

[Revman]

Yeah, I don't think it would be any harm at all to rename your 18 yota shrine pieces to the 11, a magic marker could make short work of it.

I agree.....or you could take that **** off of my hands. A little rubbing alcohol on the 1.

 

[jaqua19]

I love me an anti-hero....I think that it exposes the bias and passion that lives in just about every fan...granted it is more or less profound fan to fan. Look at the KB thing....Hated for many of the same reasons Denny is hated now. The difference could be team, manufacturer, or attitude. Who the hell knows, but I think it is cool. There's nothing wrong with Denny really. There have been dirtier drivers honestly.....I don't see a difference between pounding a guys ass at Martinsville into 3 and what Denny did. I am sure that there are old school guys who will flame me, but whatever. That hate is more about who Denny is rather than what he did.

Interestingly as I type this, KFB himself is on NASCAR Radio, and sees this as a new era of how to race. That's interesting.

Denny never really was a dirty driver until this year.

He dumped Chase...but I don't think that did it. Denny was never disliked for his on track stuff. I think people genuinely don't like him as a person.

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[Hawaii808]

Clearly Denny wants a Cup Championship far more than he wants to unseat Chase for Most Popular Driver. I'd be the same. The window of opportunity is closing, time to take what he wants.

 

[FLRacingFan]

Clearly Denny wants a Cup Championship far more than he wants to unseat Chase for Most Popular Driver. I'd be the same. The window of opportunity is closing, time to take what he wants.

Larson is no saint himself. I could easily see this coming back to bite Denny in the ass in another high leverage situation like with Chase at Phoenix several years back.

 

[StandOnIt]

Larson is no saint himself. I could easily see this coming back to bite Denny in the ass in another high leverage situation like with Chase at Phoenix several years back.

Oh I am all for a pissed off Larson, he can get pretty crazy in a dirt sprint if he is rubbed the wrong way. He got caught thinking Hamlin would race him clean because "friends". Hamlin doesn't have any friends.

 

[Greg]

Larson is no saint himself. I could easily see this coming back to bite Denny in the ass in another high leverage situation like with Chase at Phoenix several years back.

The biggest concern with that is the telemetry. Nascar is much more capable now of reading intent and punishing retaliation.

 

[Mispeedway15]

I don’t blame Denny for doing what he did. Does he deserve to get walled next week, absolutely. That’s racing

 

[Blaze]

This man is embracing it, and I’m ngl I’m loving it.

 

[FLRacingFan]

The biggest concern with that is the telemetry. Nascar is much more capable now of reading intent and punishing retaliation.

I think if it’s in the same manner, opening up the wheel a touch and escorting the guy to the wall, it’ll probably be okay. I think punishable stuff is overtly malicious (Bubba, Chase).

Even Denny at Phoenix with Chastain wasn’t punished until he said he wrecked a guy just for the hell of it.

 

[Revman]

Denny never really was a dirty driver until this year.

He dumped Chase...but I don't think that did it. Denny was never disliked for his on track stuff. I think people genuinely don't like him as a person.

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I don't think Denny is dirty. I think this is a bunch of drama. His podcast triggers the **** out of people. He isn't likable...but I am starting to love him because he doesn't care. KB left a void....Denny is filling it.

Chocolate Myers posed an interesting question this morning.....How is what Denny did different than giving a guy a shot at Martinsville and forcing him out of his lane? For those committed to flaming me....STFU....this is Choc asking....answer the question.....and KB himself said that this was a new way of racing today......

Look, Denny has done a ton for this sport....owner....entertaining podcast....driver.....brought the world's greatest athlete into ownership......He is moving the needle....like him or not....

BTW.....My first Denny Hamlin hat is coming in a couple of days....and no, I am not joking.

 

[Spotter22]

I don't think Denny is dirty. I think this is a bunch of drama. His podcast triggers the **** out of people. He isn't likable...but I am starting to love him because he doesn't care. KB left a void....Denny is filling it.

Chocolate Myers posed an interesting question this morning.....How is what Denny did different than giving a guy a shot at Martinsville and forcing him out of his lane? For those committed to flaming me....STFU....this is Choc asking....answer the question.....and KB himself said that this was a new way of racing today......

Look, Denny has done a ton for this sport....owner....entertaining podcast....driver.....brought the world's greatest athlete into ownership......He is moving the needle....like him or not....

BTW.....My first Denny Hamlin hat is coming in a couple of days....and no, I am not joking.

Good for him, so what does that have to do with him wrecking the 5? I guess that gives him a pass?

As for Chocs question, the result is absolutely no different but I dont know what the point is, its wrong at Martinsville and its wrong at Pocono. I mean hell didnt Denny recently wreck the 9 and got booed out of the track at Martinsville? Being the leader shouldnt make you a Target.

Kyle is right, this has become acceptable and its made it all the way down to the lower series where kids are doing "whatever it takes" because thats the way the Big boys do it. Tracks all across the country are dealing with this now, they arent learning how to race they have no respect, the " drivers code" is being thrown out the window. You reap what you sow.