Danica Patrick won’t return to Stewart-Haas in 2018

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Towmater said:
IMO, Harvick characterized Dillon correctly.
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Goose61 said:
Sometimes I think her career would have gone a lot smoother if she had learned to have kept her mouth shut at certain key moments (e. g., Kansas).

Wonder how well her crew (as well as everyone else at SHR) willl respond after having just been publicly thrown under the bus - I imagine it's going to be pretty frosty in the garage these remaining ten weeks.
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This is deja vu all over again, almost exactly like when she left Indycar. Any of this sound familiar?

http://nooga.com/155517/michael-andretti-finding-better-teamwork-without-danica-patrick/

"Patrick was IndyCar’s most marketable personality but it wasn’t always a smooth ride. When she struggled in qualifying at Indy two years ago, Patrick told the crowd that the problem was her car’s setup. Fans showered her with boos, and then-teammate Tony Kanaan later urged Patrick to have more fun and change the attitude."
 
Team Penske said:
I would like to remind one and all that no second rate male drivers had to race like Danica. How many times have we seen the back markers ( or Denny) take her out just because they didn't want to be beat by a women. Shameful as it is, her numbers would have been much better if she was a male. I waited her whole time in cup to see her pull a JG or a MK but she proved herself more manly than those two.
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Lmao you make it sound like she was coming to the finish line for the victory and was dumped several times and it cost her the race. Never happened. Lack of talent was the issue here. She finished so many races multiple laps down because she never was or has been any good.
 
StewartHaas-Gibbs Racing said:
Lmao you make it sound like she was coming to the finish line for the victory and was dumped several times and it cost her the race. Never happened. Lack of talent was the issue here. She finished so many races multiple laps down because she never was or has been any good.
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Your entitled to your opinion. I have seen her running top 15 and get taken out as she lapped
a couple of those wanna be drivers. The funny thing is all those people taking about what a poor driver she is don't make half the money she gets in interest. I think Danica has done a great job and her net worth says she did as well.
 
Candace66 said:
What the heck? Yesterday afternoon, Dave Moody's topic on Sirius XM was whether she is Hall of Fame Worthy. Now this morning, on Tradin' Paint, Jim Noble and Chocolate Myers are talking about the same thing! o_O
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It takes more than lacking a Y chromosome to get you into the HoF I'm afraid.

0 wins, 0 top-5's, and 7 top-10's in 180 starts ain't Hall of Fame type numbers.
 
Team Penske said:
Your entitled to your opinion. I have seen her running top 15 and get taken out as she lapped
a couple of those wanna be drivers. The funny thing is all those people taking about what a poor driver she is don't make half the money she gets in interest. I think Danica has done a great job and her net worth says she did as well.
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You have lower standards than me if you think she did a great job. And you're right, good on her for making a ton of money being a less than mediocre talent on the track. I don't blame her one bit for making as much as she can. I'm glad this is over in 10 races though. It's been a long time coming.
 
ToyYoda said:
It sucks that in just a couple of years time we will have lost as drivers Jeff Gordon, Tony Stewart, Greg Biffle, Carl Edwards, Dale Earnhardt Jr, most likely Danica Patrick, and maybe Matt Kenseth and Kasey Kahne. The sport will indeed go on, but it's kind of sad that all those drivers were in the sport just a couple years ago and it's likely that none of them will be next year.
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And Brian Scott. I think that was his name.
 
Formerjackman said:
I can't imagine anybody even having that conversation with a straight face. I have been concerned from DAY ONE that the Hall of fame would degenerate into a popularity contest. For perspective, here is a response I wrote to a racing column several years ago promoting Wendell Scott for one of the early HoF classes;

My issue with the whole thing is that while Scott is certainly worthy of praise and special recognition, his accomplishments on the racetrack are not on par with the other drivers that have been or likely will be elected to the Hall of Fame. I would have no issue with them doing a special permanent exhibit for him, or to giving him Hall status in a special category, but I think it sets a bad precedent to put drivers with one career win in the Hall under the general category just because he has a heartwarming story. Scott is often compared to Jackie Robinson, BUT Robinson put up HoF numbers on the field, never mind what else he accomplished. Robinson also really was a ground breaker and the first of THOUSANDS of black baseball players to follow. Since Scott last stepped into a Winston Cup car 40 years ago, we have had ONE start by Randy Bethea, TWO by Bill Lester and THREE by Willy T. Ribbs. Scott is more of a footnote than a ground breaker. Celebrate him by all means and recognize his spirit and determination, but let’s be careful with who we assign regular Hall status to. I also thought Fred Lorenzen's resume was a little thin for Hall status. 26 wins, yes, but only 158 career starts and he never finished higher than third in the championship. That is very marginal credentials in my opinion. Other who don't make the grade in my mind is Buddy Baker, Davey Allison, Jim Pascal, Ricky Rudd, Harry Gant, Neil Bonnett, Marvin Panch, Alan Kulwicki and Ernie Irvin. I would like to see a threshold of 15 wins and one championship, or 30 wins without a championship. If you let everybody in, you no longer have a Hall of Fame.


I actually got a nice response from the author of the column, and he agreed I had some good points. Of course we KNOW that the NASCAR community was NOT going to pass up a chance to put Scott in the Hall so they could make a point that didn't need making in the first place. As goofy as Danica in the Hall of fame sounds, NOTHING would shock me with the current bunch of doorjambs running the show.
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I honestly feel that is where the HOF is going to sink, the popularity aspect , and that will be a damn shame when that happens, the merits of your career should get you into the HOF. I have no issue's with Danica being inducted to the HOF, but only after more deserving drivers get in first, I am not trying to take away the stuff she has done for NASCAR , but IMO its not enough to shoot her to the top of list over more deserving drivers.
 
ToyYoda said:
It sucks that in just a couple of years time we will have lost as drivers Jeff Gordon, Tony Stewart, Greg Biffle, Carl Edwards, Dale Earnhardt Jr, most likely Danica Patrick, and maybe Matt Kenseth and Kasey Kahne. The sport will indeed go on, but it's kind of sad that all those drivers were in the sport just a couple years ago and it's likely that none of them will be next year.
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Why is it sad? Time for them to go, if it wasn't there would be demand for them.
 
Great post........ and I can appreciate your opinion..... I just beg to differ on your view of the inductees....... I think most all of them made strides that would make them good choices....
 
BTW, the fundamental problem with the HOF now is if they are inducting too many people every year. Five-member classes were needed the first year or two. But are there really enough clearly worthy people to keep putting in five every year?
 
Candace66 said:
BTW, the fundamental problem with the HOF now is if they are inducting too many people every year. Five-member classes were needed the first year or two. But are there really enough clearly worthy people to keep putting in five every year?
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How many different classes to they have in the HOF? Drivers, Owners, Builders, promoters etc.
 
2 Sweet said:
To be fair, I think most folks (Tony included) thought she would have more success. Unfortunately she just didn't seem to improve enough as time went on.
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She should have been running as many companion events as Kyle Busch runs. She was fast tracked to the Cup Series without enough time in these type of cars.
 
Candace66 said:
You mean Smoke, the True Racer, put a mediocre driver in his car solely for the money? :tongue:
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Absolutely, money makes the world go round, especially in NASCAR, for Danica though the sponsors have left because she turned out to be a less than mediocre talent. If she would have been even an average driver she would still have big time sponsors and be in the car. It was never going to happen though because some of us knew the truth all along about her lack of talent. It was an easy risk for Tony, especially for a newer startup team when he knew the money would be rolling in for the first few years.
 
StewartHaas-Gibbs Racing said:
Absolutely, money makes the world go round, especially in NASCAR, for Danica though the sponsors have left because she turned out to be a less than mediocre talent. If she would have been even an average driver she would still have big time sponsors and be in the car. It was never going to happen though because some of us knew the truth all along about her lack of talent. It was an easy risk for Tony, especially for a newer startup team when he knew the money would be rolling in for the first few years.
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I am not sure that them leaving was all because of Danica's performance, Godaddy underwent some changes in 2013 when the new CEO took over, the reason stated for Godaddy ending its sponsorship was they changed their focus to more international marketing , and if you have noticed, there hasnt been very many Godaddy adverts on TV since that time, when before, they were plenty of GD adverts, at least during the race. I know they returned to running a advert in the Superbowl this year.

That could all be BS.
 
Candace66 said:
BTW, the fundamental problem with the HOF now is if they are inducting too many people every year. Five-member classes were needed the first year or two. But are there really enough clearly worthy people to keep putting in five every year?
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Agree 100%. Like said in the other post, if you let EVERYBODY in, you don't have a Hall of Fame, you have a Hall of Popularity. I stand by the criteria I listed. I DO think they should have a special section to honor people who made significant or noteworthy contributions to the sport, but don't have HoF statistics. The actual HoF members should only be the best of the best.
 
StewartHaas-Gibbs Racing said:
Absolutely, money makes the world go round, especially in NASCAR, for Danica though the sponsors have left because she turned out to be a less than mediocre talent. If she would have been even an average driver she would still have big time sponsors and be in the car. It was never going to happen though because some of us knew the truth all along about her lack of talent. It was an easy risk for Tony, especially for a newer startup team when he knew the money would be rolling in for the first few years.
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I will refute your claim with the following facts:
Tony Stewart did not have full sponsorship
Matt Kenseth did not have full sponsorship
Kurt Bush ran with his car owners money
Kane lost his ride because of no sponsors
Drivers who raced behind Danica did have sponsorship.

Danica didn't lose her sponsors because she was mediocre, if anything it is Nascar who can't attract sponsors at the going rate. Why did Junior retire? Because HMS could no longer sustain
his demands as a driver.
 
Team Penske said:
I will refute your claim with the following facts:
Tony Stewart did not have full sponsorship
Matt Kenseth did not have full sponsorship
Kurt Bush ran with his car owners money
Kane lost his ride because of no sponsors
Drivers who raced behind Danica did have sponsorship.

Danica didn't lose her sponsors because she was mediocre, if anything it is Nascar who can't attract sponsors at the going rate. Why did Junior retire? Because HMS could no longer sustain
his demands as a driver.
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Tony in his last few seasons was completely horrendous on the track, also had a major incident that involved the death of a young man(I don't think he did it on purpose but it's still bad pr) He was also hurt and in and out of the car a bunch of times because of injuries. That wreck pretty much ruined the rest of his career and he was never the same afterwards. Why would a sponsor waste their time or money?

Matt Kenseth, while a good racer has the personality of a wet noodle who can put anyone to sleep when he talks. Is that who you want representing your company?

Kurt Bush had another terrible pr incident with that mess with his girlfriend, had a bunch of incidents where he has been a hot headed moron. Again is this a guy your going to spend your sponsor money on and take the risk of him doing something stupid?

Before Indy Kasey went over 3 years and a 100 races without a win. Maybe that's why sponsors didn't want him either.

Junior has a history of concussion issues and I thought his reasoning for retiring was he wanted to finish out his contract and his last injury was the main reason he decided to call it quits. I don't recall sponsors being an issue.
 
StewartHaas-Gibbs Racing said:
Tony in his last few seasons was completely horrendous on the track, also had a major incident that involved the death of a young man(I don't think he did it on purpose but it's still bad pr) and was hurt and in and out of the car a bunch of times because of it. Why would a sponsor waste their time or money?

Matt Kenseth, while a good racer has the personality of a wet noodle who can put anyone to sleep when he talks. Is that who you want representing your company?

Kurt Bush had another terrible pr incident with that mess with his girlfriend, had a bunch of incidents where he has been a hot headed moron. Again is this a guy your going to spend your sponsor money on and take the risk of him doing something stupid?

Before Indy Kasey went over 3 years and a 100 races without a win. Maybe that's why sponsors didn't want him either.

Junior has a history of concussion issues and I thought his reasoning for retiring was he wanted to finish out his contract and his last injury was the main reason he decided to call it quits. I don't recall sponsors being an issue.
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Juior was in negotiations regarding his contract. That is why there was no tour plans. When it became obvious the money wasn't going to be there is when they announced his retirement.
As far as your other post goes, I wasn't looking for excuses for other drivers, I made the point that sponsors didn't just walk away from Danica because she was such a poor driver. I believe
the size of her salary was a major reason. Like I said drivers who couldn't catch her do have sponsors and we know they are so poor they actually drive their own motor home from track to track.
 
Candace66 said:
BTW, the fundamental problem with the HOF now is if they are inducting too many people every year. Five-member classes were needed the first year or two. But are there really enough clearly worthy people to keep putting in five every year?
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Like most other things in Nascar the HoF will be watered down faster than a 25 cent draft beer.
 
2 Sweet said:
To be fair, I think most folks (Tony included) thought she would have more success. Unfortunately she just didn't seem to improve enough as time went on.
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Greg said:
She should have been running as many companion events as Kyle Busch runs. She was fast tracked to the Cup Series without enough time in these type of cars.
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Bingo. She was brought into the Cup series without proving her competitive worth in lower series beforehand. Rarely ever works out.
 
NASCAR needs a Hall of Champions that dominates their Hall.

"Fame" is shallow and too subjective -- it was designed for women and old men to gossip, wax poetically, blather on about the past or human interest stuff.

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Hall of Champions -- big beautiful opulent hall dominating the landscape.

Hall of Founders -- the foundation of NASCAR big and bold support for the Hall of Champions above it -- how NASCAR was built and who built it.

Hall of Fame displays -- cute little side exhibits.
 
I wish someone would ask Petty if he'd hire her to drive the #43 if she brings some sponsorship :biggrin:
 
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in summary, DP10 will be DP10 no more. My hope is for DP77...she gets a full boat sponsorship (excedrin?) and they cant refuse......
 
KyBuownsyourbrain said:
I wish someone would ask Petty if he'd hire her to drive the #43 if she brings some sponsorship :biggrin:
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That IS funny. Both Richard and Kyle were in my opinion overly harsh discussing her. It's not that they were totally wrong, it's just that I didn't see anything to be gained by being so blunt. (Kyle has little business knocking anyone else's driving anyway). Of course Clint Bowyer called Michael Waltrip the worst driver in history, and then went to work for him, so who knows. One of the things you learn in racing (or any other team sport) is the person you criticize today may be the person you need tomorrow.
 
ChexOrWrex said:
Bingo. She was brought into the Cup series without proving her competitive worth in lower series beforehand. Rarely ever works out.
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Sam Hornish Jr was a thousand times better than Danica in IndyCar and he shouldn't have went straight to Cup either but he did and he did terrible. He was used as an example way back when Danica first joined to show how hard the transition really is.
 
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TISSOT (my fav)
FORD-the ceo has said she is important to them.
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I refuse to give up hope. REFUSE.
 
I will be honest.....I don't think the postscript to Danica's career will be favorable. She came with one win under her belt in IndyCar. One. She went to a quality team with $ and equipment. She did nothing, but hook up with a driver. Feminists won't embrace her. Who will?
 
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