Deegan update

Yeah, I don’t know that she’s ready for Xfin. She’s never finished in the top 5 in a truck race.
Put her in a Xfin car and let’s see.
 
Zero truck top 5s, but over a million followers on social media...

I had my doubts that it would be enough, but clearly it is. So in two more years, does she end up in Cup with Front Row or SHR?
 
IMO she may do better in Xfinity it isn't such a demo derby. Who knows?

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wi_racefan said:
IMO she may do better in Xfinity it isn't such a demo derby. Who knows?

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That was the idea in going from ARCA to trucks too.

She's behind Parker Kligerman in points, and Parker has only run 11 races to her 21, in lower quality equipment.

And she gets an Xfinity ride.
 
cheesepuffs said:
That was the idea in going from ARCA to trucks too.

She's behind Parker Kligerman in points, and Parker has only run 11 races to her 21, in lower quality equipment.

And she gets an Xfinity ride.
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So if she does move up, what's the over/under for how many points behind Joey Gase she is in the final standings next season?
 
cheesepuffs said:
That was the idea in going from ARCA to trucks too.

She's behind Parker Kligerman in points, and Parker has only run 11 races to her 21, in lower quality equipment.

And she gets an Xfinity ride.
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ARCA has been cleaner than Trucks for a few years and she was much better in that, although there was some low field counts.
 
cheesepuffs said:
Zero truck top 5s, but over a million followers on social media...

I had my doubts that it would be enough, but clearly it is. So in two more years, does she end up in Cup with Front Row or SHR?
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Think she would do better than Danica did? I don't see it, probably about the same. One day there will a competitive female driver in cup but I don't see it being Hallie.
 
Daytripper said:
Think she would do better than Danica did? I don't see it, probably about the same. One day there will a competitive female driver in cup but I don't see it being Hallie.
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I'll bet she tears up less equipment than Danica did. Hallie has been in quite a few wrecks, but the overwhelming majority of them weren't her fault. She really only has one fault as a driver. She's just not as fast as she needs to be. Everything else she pretty much nails.
 
Daytripper said:
Think she would do better than Danica did? I don't see it, probably about the same. One day there will a competitive female driver in cup but I don't see it being Hallie.
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I think she'd do as well as Danica at best, but likely a little bit worse. The Cup field is such a step up in terms of talent. I just don't see how not getting any top 5s in trucks for almost two years, in what is a way weaker and very inexperienced field, would amount to any level of success in Cup at this point.

Maybe in Xfinity she finds something, but Cup is still a whole 'nother level above that. For example, look at how well Custer did in Xfinity compared to how his Cup career has gone so far.

If you can't bring the fight to Zane Smith or Ben Rhodes or even Carson Hocevar in trucks, then it's going to take a really big advancement in speed really quickly at the Xfinity level to show Cup worthiness. I don't forsee some massive upward swing all the sudden where she starts running with Justin Allgaier or Brandon Jones next year, but I'd be glad to be proven wrong.
 
cheesepuffs said:
If you can't bring the fight to Zane Smith or Ben Rhodes or even Carson Hocevar in trucks, then it's going to take a really big advancement in speed really quickly at the Xfinity level to show Cup worthiness. I don't forsee some massive upward swing all the sudden where she starts running with Justin Allgaier or Brandon Jones next year, but I'd be glad to be proven wrong.
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Hailie is much better off racing around or getting lapped by Justin Allgaier or Brandon Jones than Hocevar. Honestly, it’s a joke Zane Smith is in Trucks because he was competitive in his Cup start.
 
AuzGrams said:
Hailie is much better off racing around or getting lapped by Justin Allgaier or Brandon Jones than Hocevar. Honestly, it’s a joke Zane Smith is in Trucks because he was competitive in his Cup start.
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I don't disagree with you about Zane, but if the feeder series like trucks and ARCA are so useless that the you need to get to the top two divisions in the country to learn anything, then why do we even have trucks and ARCA anymore?

I realize this is a different issue and kind of a tangent, but you know what I mean? It just sounds crazy to say out loud that you need to get all the way to Tier 2 to develop.
 
cheesepuffs said:
I don't disagree with you about Zane, but if the feeder series like trucks and ARCA are so useless that the you need to get to the top two divisions in the country to learn anything, then why do we even have trucks and ARCA anymore?

I realize this is a different issue and kind of a tangent, but you know what I mean? It just sounds crazy to say out loud that you need to get all the way to Tier 2 to develop.
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Ty Gibbs & Ryan Newman didn’t need the Truck Series.

If Hailie starts running Cup, then yes, I’ll agree with you, but the Xfinity field needs more depth and Hailie and her team will make the 07 or 08 a little bit more competitive (if this is the SHR affiliated team). Really, the problem with NASCAR/ARCA are these young wrecker kids in Trucks that are 100% hacks.

Hailie has had some very strong runs in the West Series including a pole at Sonoma with a pretty strong West field.
 
AuzGrams said:
Ty Gibbs & Ryan Newman didn’t need the Truck Series.

If Hailie starts running Cup, then yes, I’ll agree with you, but the Xfinity field needs more depth and Hailie and her team will make the 07 or 08 a little bit more competitive (if this is the SHR affiliated team). Really, the problem with NASCAR/ARCA are these young wrecker kids in Trucks that are 100% hacks.

Hailie has had some very strong runs in the West Series including a pole at Sonoma with a pretty strong West field.
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Ty Gibbs is a superhuman talent.

Ryan Newman was on the "ABC" program in an era where the Truck Series wasn't really a development series.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Ty Gibbs is a superhuman talent.

Ryan Newman was on the "ABC" program in an era where the Truck Series wasn't really a development series.
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What’s your point. Sponsors and marketing partners would rather be associated with Hailie Deegan than Joe Graf Jr.

Nobody paid attention to Hailie Deegan at Sonoma in 2019 & that’s fine.
 
Deegan and Bobby Dotter Xfinity cars. Perfect match.

A lot of wishful thinking here. JMO, of course.
 
cheesepuffs said:
I don't disagree with you about Zane, but if the feeder series like trucks and ARCA are so useless that the you need to get to the top two divisions in the country to learn anything, then why do we even have trucks and ARCA anymore?

I realize this is a different issue and kind of a tangent, but you know what I mean? It just sounds crazy to say out loud that you need to get all the way to Tier 2 to develop.
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As currently constituted, and you cannot believe how much it pains me to say this, but ARCA is COMPLETELY USELESS right now. The drivers actually good enough to advance out of there could probably learn more running a test day with a top tier Xfinity or Cup team than they will learn from a whole season of ARCA.
 
Formerjackman said:
As currently constituted, and you cannot believe how much it pains me to say this, but ARCA is COMPLETELY USELESS right now. The drivers actually good enough to advance out of there could probably learn more running a test day with a top tier Xfinity or Cup team than they will learn from a whole season of ARCA.
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I don’t agree at all that ARCA is useless just because it has issues. It’s been decent watching Nick Sanchez and Rajah Caruth race. Good series for the women to race as well.
 
AuzGrams said:
I don’t agree at all that ARCA is useless just because it has issues. It’s been decent watching Nick Sanchez and Rajah Caruth race. Good series for the women to race as well.
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Except there is little to no competition. There 4-5 decent cars and the other 15 or so are just cannon fodder. At IRP, it was a forgone conclusion that one of the Smiths was going to win the race from the drop of the green. I just don't see where the drivers are learning much.
 
Formerjackman said:
Except there is little to no competition. There 4-5 decent cars and the other 15 or so are just cannon fodder. At IRP, it was a forgone conclusion that one of the Smiths was going to win the race from the drop of the green. I just don't see where the drivers are learning much.
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There’s usually 1 JGR/KBM, 3-4 Venturini cars, 1 DGR car, 2 Rev Racing cars, the GMS 43. There’s at least 6-10 cars capable of winning this year. No it’s not the most competitive series & some issues need fixed but it gets way too much hate.

The 18 is just simply outspending everyone.
 
AuzGrams said:
Ty Gibbs & Ryan Newman didn’t need the Truck Series.

If Hailie starts running Cup, then yes, I’ll agree with you, but the Xfinity field needs more depth and Hailie and her team will make the 07 or 08 a little bit more competitive (if this is the SHR affiliated team). Really, the problem with NASCAR/ARCA are these young wrecker kids in Trucks that are 100% hacks.

Hailie has had some very strong runs in the West Series including a pole at Sonoma with a pretty strong West field.
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Ty Gibbs and Ryan Newman both already had winning resumes though. Hailie doesn't. They're completely different circumstances.
 
cheesepuffs said:
Ty Gibbs and Ryan Newman both already had winning resumes though. Hailie doesn't. They're completely different circumstances.
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I wasn’t comparing them, just simply stating that the development latter isn’t black and white / cut and dry.
 
Spotter22 said:
Could be. This may be the maiden voyage and the full time announcement could come later. I'll be interested to see if this car is rolled out of SHR like Custers was or gonna be a Dotter car with SHR support
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Thanks spotter.

I will be watching - want to see her best Patricks' finishes in Xfinity.

IMHO, SHR is grooming her for the 4 or 10.

I thought that the minute I saw her using SHRs work out equipment waaaay back when she was in ARCA.
 
DanicaFreak said:
Thanks spotter.

I will be watching - want to see her best Patricks' finishes in Xfinity.

IMHO, SHR is grooming her for the 4 or 10.

I thought that the minute I saw her using SHRs work out equipment waaaay back when she was in ARCA.
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The only way she will get behind the wheel of an SHR Cup car is if she brings a sponsor on the level of Smithfield and can win and run consistent top 5 in Xfinity. Nothing she has done so far proves she can do that. I think she needs serious coaching and the first thing on the list is refocus where her priorities are. I really had hope for her early in the ARCA series, she was aggressive and she had the respect of the other drivers. She doesnt have that now for many reasons.
 
Spotter22 said:
The only way she will get behind the wheel of an SHR Cup car is if she brings a sponsor on the level of Smithfield and can win and run consistent top 5 in Xfinity. Nothing she has done so far proves she can do that. I think she needs serious coaching and the first thing on the list is refocus where her priorities are. I really had hope for her early in the ARCA series, she was aggressive and she had the respect of the other drivers. She doesnt have that now for many reasons.
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I want you to be wrong ... I do feel she was more aggressive in ARCA.
 
I don’t think she’s very fast but I don’t see much harm in her doing Xfinity next year. I think it’s typically better driving standards and less of a ****show up there. A lot of the times she wrecks out it’s because she’s running amongst the riffraff.

I do think she’ll need to show a much higher degree of competency before moving to Cup though. Social media backing can only get you so far, and she’s nowhere near as much of a star as Danica already was when she moved to NASCAR.

I’m not sure drivers should be allowed to make their series debut during the playoffs either.
 
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