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Move on.
Are u two brothers maybe?
Move on.
maybe you are a clown?Are u two brothers maybe?
Well, they've been pals for how long?You don't know what Jordan knew or didn't know. lol.
Surely you don't think pals and business partners are the same thing.Well, they've been pals for how long?
No, but it's not like they were strangers. Denny has pretty much always been Denny, Michael was already a race fan, I doubt there is too much about ole Denny's personality and penchant for speaking out that Michael didn't already know.Surely you don't think pals and business partners are the same thing.
He's a champion for the complainers
He really showed his ignorance when he was running around saying Nascar killed the test dummy with the new car. He was confused about who the dummy was, it turned out to be that he was. Nascar ignored him. Took them awhile to have everything sent out and analyzed about the test and explain it before Hamlin shut his mouth. But yeah, he was a hero of the complainers, they tend to overlook the facts for drama.He's a champion for the anti-NASCAR crowd. If there's an anti-NASCAR bandwagon, Denny will boost it. I remember seeing Reddit posts where people said things like, "I don't like Denny the driver, but I like Denny the owner, he speaks out against NASCAR" and "you know....I really like that Denny has become a leader in the garage." People are clearly falling for the BS.
It got him a podcast with Dirty Mo.
What you're missing is that there was a LOT of speculation and misinformation out there expressly BECAUSE NASCAR did such a lousy job of communicating what was really happening, and dead crash test dummy or not, they CLEARLY didn't have the car where it needed to be. One driver paid for their mistakes with his career.He really showed his ignorance when he was running around saying Nascar killed the test dummy with the new car. He was confused about who the dummy was, it turned out to be that he was. Nascar ignored him. Took them awhile to have everything sent out and analyzed about the test and explain it before Hamlin shut his mouth. But yeah, he was a hero of the complainers, they tend to overlook the facts for drama.
I prefer to look at it as the NASCAR, get your s**t together crowd. Why is blindly following whatever stupid crap NASCAR comes up with somehow make you a better fan than wanting the sport to fix their mistakes and do a better job?He's a champion for the anti-NASCAR crowd. If there's an anti-NASCAR bandwagon, Denny will boost it. I remember seeing Reddit posts where people said things like, "I don't like Denny the driver, but I like Denny the owner, he speaks out against NASCAR" and "you know....I really like that Denny has become a leader in the garage." People are clearly falling for the BS.
It got him a podcast with Dirty Mo.
Jeffy was a HOF driver who has become a Felon puppet. Just what has he accomplished as lackey on his own other than wearing a white shirt with a vest and strutting around the garage like a pissed off rooster running his mouth about other teams and drivers? He is an elitist ass who needs to stay in his lane as one of the greatest drivers of all time, but nothing more than a Felon mouthpiece in retirement. I don't know the man anymore than you do (although Vickers told some great stories), but I despise his brand. While the Felon and Jeffy have been spewing about how other drivers and teams should operate, their policies screwed their almighty team out of 50% of their chance at the championship. Great management. Bravo. I am enjoying MY 50% of the round of 8.....but you go Jeffy....tell us how it is...he will learn the hard way what "Jeffy" is trying to teach him.
Or another way to put it.....One of the most successful businessmen in this country chose to go into business with Denny......but you go with your unbiased narrative.ordan knew EXACTLY what he was getting with Dennis and decided to go into business with him anyway.
Are you speaking for MJ?....a guy who could buy and sell your ass 5 million times over? He probably doesn't need you to speak for him.Hamlin brings nothing to the table but his driving for another organization, he brings nothing to the table for Jordan but his mouth and a golf swing.
There is only one HMS....we have heard that repeatedly. Thank God.Other teams would be wise to become self absorbed based on the success of HMS.
Inclusive of the indictment?If I was starting a NASCAR team I would do my best to pattern it after HMS. I may not agree with everything they do but the success they’ve enjoyed over different eras is unmatched
The classy thing would be to say "no comment." I have never heard Alpern talk about anybody but his own drivers. It's not hard, but when you think you are the ****, you get a little carried away.When asked a direct question, what answer do YOU want Jeff to have given? Some bull**** PR response, a "no comment", or an honest personal opinion? Why are people so damn afraid of opinions that conflict with their own or don't fit neatly into your own personal agenda?
If you listen to people that actually KNOW something instead of mouthing pro-Toyota propaganda that would make Joe Goebbels blush, you would know that Jeff is regarded as a HIGHLY astute business person, respected by car owners, drivers, sponsors and NASCAR. Also notice that while applicants to be Rick's right hand man could have made a line circling Charlotte a couple of times, it was Rick that literally BEGGED Jeff to quit his TV gig to take the job. He COULD have Jimmie, or Chad, or Dale Jr, Kelley, or a thousand others, but he wanted JEFF. That alone ought to tell you something.Jeffy was a HOF driver who has become a Felon puppet. Just what has he accomplished as lackey on his own other than wearing a white shirt with a vest and strutting around the garage like a pissed off rooster running his mouth about other teams and drivers? He is an elitist ass who needs to stay in his lane as one of the greatest drivers of all time, but nothing more than a Felon mouthpiece in retirement. I don't know the man anymore than you do (although Vickers told some great stories), but I despise his brand. While the Felon and Jeffy have been spewing about how other drivers and teams should operate, their policies screwed their almighty team out of 50% of their chance at the championship. Great management. Bravo. I am enjoying MY 50% of the round of 8.....but you go Jeffy....tell us how it is...
Only YOU would be offended by what he said, which was basically "we wouldn't want that here because it can be a distraction". My bet is even Denny would acknowledge what Jeff is saying. You don't have to totally agree with someone to agree they have a point.The classy thing would be to say "no comment." I have never heard Alpern talk about anybody but his own drivers. It's not hard, but when you think you are the ****, you get a little carried away.
Rev definitely sees it. But he probably thinks acknowledging that would be boring. Has more fun as a raging Toyota fan who is hell bent on burning down the felon's evil empire of cartoon villains.If you listen to people that actually KNOW something instead of mouthing pro-Toyota propaganda that would make Joe Goebbels blush, you would know that Jeff is regarded as a HIGHLY astute business person, respected by car owners, drivers, sponsors and NASCAR. Also notice that while applicants to be Rick's right hand man could have made a line circling Charlotte a couple of times, it was Rick that literally BEGGED Jeff to quit his TV gig to take the job. He COULD have Jimmie, or Chad, or Dale Jr, Kelley, or a thousand others, but he wanted JEFF. That alone ought to tell you something.
He's a champion for the anti-NASCAR crowd. If there's an anti-NASCAR bandwagon, Denny will boost it. I remember seeing Reddit posts where people said things like, "I don't like Denny the driver, but I like Denny the owner, he speaks out against NASCAR" and "you know....I really like that Denny has become a leader in the garage." People are clearly falling for the BS.
It got him a podcast with Dirty Mo.
Even a broken clock is right twice a day, and sometimes Denny has valid points to make, even though the rose colored glasses crowd don't want to hear it. As a dedicated iconoclast, I truly enjoy people that go around knocking over sacred cows.Hamlin will continue to say anything in order to get attention. He's a malignant Narcissist, some identify, birds of a feather.
Hamlin with all of his complaining has had little or no influence in the day to day operations of the sport. He is mostly ignored, but some find entertainment in a constant complaining kind of way from Hamlin's constant whining.Even a broken clock is right twice a day, and sometimes Denny has valid points to make, even though the rose colored glasses crowd don't want to hear it. As a dedicated iconoclast, I truly enjoy people that go around knocking over sacred cows.
I prefer to look at it as the NASCAR, get your s**t together crowd. Why is blindly following whatever stupid crap NASCAR comes up with somehow make you a better fan than wanting the sport to fix their mistakes and do a better job?
well many like Hamlin look to find a problem that is hard if not impossible to solve and they hammer it to death. I mean after the first few times it's apparent it is only to get attention. I mean "hate the chase" is what 10 years old? Hate the car? is like why are you watching then..the dam car is the race lol.Because some of them aren’t pointing out actual problems. They’re just parroting hysteria. Remember when the Gen 7 was a death trap?
I criticize NASCAR plenty, I am just not a hysterical whack job. You ever read “The Boy Who Cried Wolf?” Even when they’re right, it’s hard to take them seriously.
And guess, what, the people who complained were RIGHT, and NASCAR ended up redesigning both ends of the car. The hysteria came from it taking so long for NASCAR to even ACKNOWLEDGE there was indeed an issue, and then to decide to DO something about it. To this very day, nobody has come forward with the actual crash test numbers or an explanation of why they got it so wrong. Confession cleanses the soul. Own up to your mistakes and you'll get a little more benefit of the doubt next time. as a result of their multitude of blunders, my confidence in them as an organization is so low that when they get something right, I just assume it was an accident or a coincidence.Because some of them aren’t pointing out actual problems. They’re just parroting hysteria. Remember when the Gen 7 was a death trap?
I criticize NASCAR plenty, I am just not a hysterical whack job. You ever read “The Boy Who Cried Wolf?” Even when they’re right, it’s hard to take them seriously.
I understand you think it is your duty to throw B.S. at the wall and see if it will stick, but some of this stuff is just ridiculous, Hamlin style. Nascar had to completely re-design the rear end of the car. People who don't know squat just think a magic wand accomplishes this, snip snip all done, aw shucks we made the car a bit to hard, lets run to the media and tell them what we did because their feelings are hurt.And guess, what, the people who complained were RIGHT, and NASCAR ended up redesigning both ends of the car. The hysteria came from it taking so long for NASCAR to even ACKNOWLEDGE there was indeed an issue, and then to decide to DO something about it. To this very day, nobody has come forward with the actual crash test numbers or an explanation of why they got it so wrong. Confession cleanses the soul. Own up to your mistakes and you'll get a little more benefit of the doubt next time. as a result of their multitude of blunders, my confidence in them as an organization is so low that when they get something right, I just assume it was an accident or a coincidence.
And guess, what, the people who complained were RIGHT, and NASCAR ended up redesigning both ends of the car. The hysteria came from it taking so long for NASCAR to even ACKNOWLEDGE there was indeed an issue, and then to decide to DO something about it. To this very day, nobody has come forward with the actual crash test numbers or an explanation of why they got it so wrong. Confession cleanses the soul. Own up to your mistakes and you'll get a little more benefit of the doubt next time. as a result of their multitude of blunders, my confidence in them as an organization is so low that when they get something right, I just assume it was an accident or a coincidence.
No, some of us are trying to figure out with 21st century technology how such a deficient car got built in the first place.I understand you think it is your duty to throw B.S. at the wall and see if it will stick, but some of this stuff is just ridiculous, Hamlin style. Nascar had to completely re-design the rear end of the car. People who don't know squat just think a magic wand accomplishes this, snip snip all done, aw shucks we made the car a bit to hard, lets run to the media and tell them what we did because their feelings are hurt.
It took a hell of an effort to make that large scale revision and get the pieces out to the teams using a single source supplier and have it work in race trim as designed and tested the first time.
And the whiners wonder why they are ignored lol.
About all that is figured out is how to criticize and gripe about everything.No
No, some of us are trying to figure out with 21st century technology how such a deficient car got built in the first place.
Foot well at least a couple times also.The Gen 6 chassis / cage structure was shown to be deficient in several areas and was revised on numerous occasions after its debut, up to and including its final season in the Cup series, in order to make it safer.
Denny actually said, "I'm glad that I don't drive for him then." Which I agree, and then went on to point out that fans like to identify with their drivers, and basically how that's difficult in the Chain Gang because there is always a white collar behind them....which is probably good for a guy like Larson who has demonstrated the ability to almost **** his career over a video game. Maybe Jeffy doesn't trust his drivers? BTW....How has Denny distracted anybody? WE represent 50% of the remaining drivers with a shot. Distract me more. You do understand what is going on here, don't you? Jeffy is playing mind games again. Just like he did with the louvers....attacking anybody that would call into question The Chain Gang's integrity when he knew they had cheated. Then, we have the Felon himself who took up residence in Chastain's head...and where is he now? This is the stupid **** they do when they are worried about their speed. Chadly can't be far behind trying to capture some of the attention crumbs.Only YOU would be offended by what he said, which was basically "we wouldn't want that here because it can be a distraction". My bet is even Denny would acknowledge what Jeff is saying. You don't have to totally agree with someone to agree they have a point.