Edwards will not be suspended

In the words of Richard Petty, If you have a problem with my driver take it out on my driver not my car!!
Whip his ass after the checkers if you think its what you need to do but don't destroy another man's race car.
 
mike honcho said:
Key words there"HE THOUGHT" and you are talking about DW.Just saying:rolleyes:
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I think NASCAR has looked the other way when GM is concerned for years. Back in the mid 80s when they ran close to real stock cars they bent the rules for GM because the GMs weren't as aerodynamic as the 85 t-bird stock design. After seeing GM cars weren't competitive to the Fords Nascar allowed GM to add rear glass that wasn't available on any stock GM cars so they could compete.
 
I think Carl's punishment should be that hes forced to watch a one man play starring Tony Eury, Sr.

If you have seen the Nationwide commercials you know what I am talking about.
 
Taking the wing off and replacing it with a spoiler wont make much, if any, difference IMO. These cars are aerodynamic marvels. When get spun around they become like a bullet, and achieve lift with very little effort. There is virtually no space on the frame to create friction to stop this process and a spoiler aint going to change anything.

If you ask me, most people here hated the wing from the beginning and only jumped on the "it makes cars fly" bandwagon because it was something easy to latch onto to get a change they hated taken away.
 
Spike said:
Taking the wing off and replacing it with a spoiler wont make much, if any, difference IMO. These cars are aerodynamic marvels. When get spun around they become like a bullet, and achieve lift with very little effort. There is virtually no space on the frame to create friction to stop this process and a spoiler aint going to change anything.

If you ask me, most people here hated the wing from the beginning and only jumped on the "it makes cars fly" bandwagon because it was something easy to latch onto to get a change they hated taken away.
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Yep, you know more about the cars than the drivers and NASCAR do. :rolleyes:
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Yep, you know more about the cars than the drivers and NASCAR do. :rolleyes:
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Its simple physics.

In theory, the wing might actually provide more air resistance due to its larger size and overall area than a traditional spoiler would.

In the end, I think its still traditionalism vs. realism.
 
I'm thinking they should let him win the next race, and rub a handful of vaseline on his door before he attempts his signature backflip.
That'd be CARMA:growl::growl:
Give all the spectators something to laugh at!!
MoMike
 
Spike said:
Its simple physics.

In theory, the wing might actually provide more air resistance due to its larger size and overall area than a traditional spoiler would.

In the end, I think its still traditionalism vs. realism.
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I'll take you more seriously once you get rid of that ugly chic in your avatar;):p
 
I understand this is from Carl Edwards' Facebook Page. I picked up the quote elsewhere:


Carl Edwards My options: Considering that Brad wrecks me with no regard for anyones safety or hard work, should I:
A-Keep letting him wreck me?
B-Confront him after the race?
C-Wait til bristol and collect other cars? or
D-Take care of it now?

I want to be clear that I was surprised at his flight and very relieved when he walked away. Every person has to decide what code they want to live by and hopefully this explains mine.
 
F it, let'em race and any disagreements to be taken care of behind the haulers. I'm sick of the ***** footin' around.
FWIW I have donated $, several times, to Na$car for "Conduct unbecoming...."
Sure felt good too.:)
 
I will be the first to say I am not an engineer. But the car has all the characteristics of a bullet when it gets spun at high speeds. It lifts off the ground and starts to spin instantaneously. There is nowhere on the car for air to take hold and slow it down. And I have my doubts that lowering its already streamlined profile even further by taking away one of the larger components of the car, the wing, will change that. And by NASCAR leaving it on for certain races for the rest of the year makes me believe they have the same doubts. To me, the rest of the schedule will play out like a testing session. And I dont think a final verdict will come out until after Homestead.

They put alot of time, energy, and money into developing the COT, and decided the wing was the way to go.
 
Spike said:
I will be the first to say I am not an engineer. But the car has all the characteristics of a bullet when it gets spun at high speeds. It lifts off the ground and starts to spin instantaneously. There is nowhere on the car for air to take hold and slow it down. And I have my doubts that lowering its already streamlined profile even further by taking away one of the larger components of the car, the wing, will change that. And by NASCAR leaving it on for certain races for the rest of the year makes me believe they have the same doubts. To me, the rest of the schedule will play out like a testing session. And I dont think a final verdict will come out until after Homestead.

They put alot of time, energy, and money into developing the COT, and decided the wing was the way to go.
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IDK, the core designs seem the same to me

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Kesolowski is turning into a real whiner by calling for a suspension. That's why Penske hired him: The replacement for Rusty Wallace. Karma happened. Get over it and race like a big boy and put away your crying towel.


As far as Cousin Carl, I see him getting the 100 points/100K and a super double secret probation. NASCAR may even work out an agreement on royalties split based on the increase in viewership over this.
 
carsntunes said:
Kesolowski is turning into a real whiner by calling for a suspension. That's why Penske hired him: The replacement for Rusty Wallace. Karma happened. Get over it and race like a big boy and put away your crying towel.


As far as Cousin Carl, I see him getting the 100 points/100K and a super double secret probation. NASCAR may even work out an agreement on royalties split based on the increase in viewership over this.
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I would say Carl is more the whiner"Brad doesn't give me any room when we race".If Carl would quit cutting down on Brad this crap wouldn't have happened.Carl needs to grow a pair and take resposibility for his screw-ups and quit trying to blame others for them.Brad doesn't give me any room.Boo F'n Hoo Carl he's racing you.I guess everyone is supposed to pull over for Carl and let him go by?????
 
mike honcho said:
I would say Carl is more the whiner"Brad doesn't give me any room when we race".If Carl would quit cutting down on Brad this crap wouldn't have happened.Carl needs to grow a pair and take resposibility for his screw-ups and quit trying to blame others for them.Brad doesn't give me any room.Boo F'n Hoo Carl he's racing you.I guess everyone is supposed to pull over for Carl and let him go by?????
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Fact is most of the drivers have had enough of Brad. Next time it will be another driver that gives him his comeuppance. It surprises me that it took this long. lets see what happens when he tries blocking Tony. Kyle learned a little lesson and hopefully Brad isn't any dumber than Kyle, but you never know.

The veterans don't owe Brad any respect, it is the other way around. Kids have to earn respect and they need to show respect to the vets.
 
Spike said:
Its simple physics.

In theory, the wing might actually provide more air resistance due to its larger size and overall area than a traditional spoiler would.

In the end, I think its still traditionalism vs. realism.
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Correct me if I'm wrong (and I know you will) but I have been watching these cars flipping down the front stretch for twenty years.Somewhere back in my foggy brain I remember them installing roof flaps to try to keep them on the ground. And I think the roof flaps came before the wing.
 
muggle not said:
Fact is most of the drivers have had enough of Brad. Next time it will be another driver that gives him his comeuppance. It surprises me that it took this long. lets see what happens when he tries blocking Tony. Kyle learned a little lesson and hopefully Brad isn't any dumber than Kyle, but you never know.

The veterans don't owe Brad any respect, it is the other way around. Kids have to earn respect and they need to show respect to the vets.
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But veterans can't keep cutting down across the front of cars then blame the rookie for it.Both wrecks between Brad and Carl were Carl's fault but yet he blames Brad.It's bullchit.Carls a puss that wants to hide behind that steering wheel.Settle it like a man,don't use the car like a puss.
 
As much as I enjoyed the 12 flying through the air like a kite and being a fan of both drivers, I think nascar has to do something to send a message or this will get way out of hand and turn into a constant "one up" match between drivers. Keselowski certainly had that coming but not at ATL at that rate of speed.
 
carsntunes said:
Kesolowski is turning into a real whiner by calling for a suspension. That's why Penske hired him: The replacement for Rusty Wallace. Karma happened. Get over it and race like a big boy and put away your crying towel.


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I liked his comment about how "He could have killed me and a thousand people in the stands". :D
 
This flap with Carl and Kez is what is making NASCAR exciting again and you can bet your bippy that NASCAR recognizes that fact. The sport has gotten so wishy washy that people now want to see a penalty for what went on. For me, give me those days of old when this sort of thing was the norm. Retaliation is not something that NASCAR would like to acknowledge, but they know it is going to happen. If you've been watching this sport for more than a year, you have seen it happen more than once. Yeah, it was at a dangerous place, but let's face it, auto racing is a dangerous sport, even for the spectators. No one wants to see anyone die in the sport, but we all accept that it happens, no matter what safety precautions are taken. The fact that Kex, even Carl last year, got out of their cars without a scratch tells of how far things have gone with the safety aspect. You aren't able to remove the emotions from the drivers in the heat of the moment, even when there is time for the heat to cool down. Maybe that only allows the heat to smolder and get worse.
 
Saw this comment on Carl's Facebook page

You don't belong on the track. I had my kids next to me yesterday in the front row where Brad's car landed. Some fans were jumping out of the way and landed on each other thinking the car was coming through the fence. What would you do if it was your little girl in the stands? You need to be parked so you don't hurt the fans that pay your bills... See More. Suprised his car took flight? WTF man, your car took flight last year when you didn't listen to your spotter when he told you 4 times he was on the inside. You still came down and ended up in the air. So in turn you took your ownself out last year. Grow up before you kill a fan or more or someone's little girl.
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For the record, Brad's car didn't "land in the front row". I like reading these kind of posts to see whether the author refers to someone by their first or last name- it tells a lot about where they're coming from. Did this fan ever consider how dangerous it might be seating a five year old child as close as possible to 3400 pound cars going by at 190 mph?
 
If you watched Race Hub tonight you heard Bruton Smith say that the incident was "just racing". This was exactly the kind of thing that he was talking about when he said that he wanted to see drivers race all out.
 
The thing is, Edwards didn't do anything that hasn't been done a thousand times in Nascar.

The #3 didn't drive head long into the wall intentionally nor did Sadler, Newman, Wallace or a host of other guys intend on getting airborn but it's a chance you take when you get in these things.

Edwards definitey should've picked a better time to wreck him but being 150 laps down, he had nothing to lose and anytime a driver intentionally wrecks another car, he runs of the chance of someone getting hurt.
 
PettyBlue said:
For the record, Brad's car didn't "land in the front row". I like reading these kind of posts to see whether the author refers to someone by their first or last name- it tells a lot about where they're coming from. Did this fan ever consider how dangerous it might be seating a five year old child as close as possible to 3400 pound cars going by at 190 mph?/QUOTE]

Highly unlikely but there are those who tend to think that the planet and everything on or near it revolves around their spawn.
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I don't care what anyone says, that move at those speeds to take him out was wrong in every sense of the word. Sure, drivers retaliated from time to time over the years but they didn't do it at those kinds of speeds. He had Bristol and Martinsville coming up to make that kind of move. One of the fastest tracks on the circuit wasn't the place.

I'd rather have seen Carl get out of the car and confront him after the race. Grow a set and get in his face!
 
PettyBlue said:
If you watched Race Hub tonight you heard Bruton Smith say that the incident was "just racing". This was exactly the kind of thing that he was talking about when he said that he wanted to see drivers race all out.
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Bruton is probably correct. I wonder if kez will think twice before he spins out the next guy.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
I don't care what anyone says, that move at those speeds to take him out was wrong in every sense of the word. Sure, drivers retaliated from time to time over the years but they didn't do it at those kinds of speeds. He had Bristol and Martinsville coming up to make that kind of move. One of the fastest tracks on the circuit wasn't the place.

I'd rather have seen Carl get out of the car and confront him after the race. Grow a set and get in his face!
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If Carl confronted Kes after the race, with kes's smartass, smug attitude, would go much worse than the Matt K. incident because there is absolutely no love there. Carl would pound Brad and the next thing you know, he's pressing charges for assault, blah, blah, blah. Not that its cool to send someone roof first into the wall,. I know its been brought up about the speeds, but if you look at it, he did do it at the slowest part of the track. :sarcasm:
 
That guys comments are so melodramatic, they belong on daytime TV. :sarcasm:
 
Kez calls for Edwards suspension

With all the "incidents" he's been invloved in I don't think he's in a position and has the creditablity to be saying this.

I'm not a Roush,Ford or Edwards fan but IMHO the Cuz was dishing out some well deserved payback and in no way thought spinning him would result in him going airborne. If his car had stayed on the ground and just spun out there wouldn't be this big flap.

http://autoracingsport.com/keselows...gsport+(AutoRacingSport.com+NASCAR+News+Feed)
 
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