Fail inspection you lose race

StandOnIt said:
judging by all of the races I have been to where cars are DQ'd for being illegal, and I have been to many and the DQ's are almost non existent one or two a season, about the only crying done if any are the people involved with the illegal car.
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Like the Snowball Derby or smaller track events. Post-race inspection is nothing to you with and like you said when folks get sniffed out, the water works come in droves after the fact.
 
So do you recommend they just TRYING to right the ship? If the overwhelming majority of fans support this move, and it brings NASCAR more in line with what happens in many other series, how is this a BAD thing?
 
Kiante said:
Man you know I'm slow to the draw a lot of times. I can't help it...lol
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I know you have a positive attitude..that's healthy. The inspection at the Snowball derby is part of the entertainment. AND they got a handle on the cheating..took awhile but they are doing a good job now.
 
Formerjackman said:
First off, if that's your honest opinion about NASCAR, WHY do you waste your time following it? I don't believe a single thing I might see at a WWE event, so I don't spent a single second of my life on it. Second, even if you're right about NASCAR, what is the value for them to changing the rule now, and how would it be any different or worse than what we have now?
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Before I answer your question I have one of my own. Did you watch Nascar during the period where they threw multiple bogus caution flags during most races?

To answer your question IDK what Nascar will do according to this rule. @gnomesayin points in his post were very well said especially with the reference to social media. That leads me to believe that more than likely things will be cool. I will know for sure after I watch and see.
 
BobbyFord said:
I’d just like to see them leave it alone for a season or two.
I actually hope the new car package is a flop.
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I'm not sure they CAN just leave things alone. They have a quickly narrowing window where they need to try to stop the slide of interest and attract new investment if they want to keep NASCAR from falling into the margins of relevance. I don't think spending a couple years sitting on the failed policies of the Brian France administration is really an option.
 
IanMcVittie said:
Before I answer your question I have one of my own. Did you watch Nascar during the period where they threw multiple bogus caution flags during most races?
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I have been following the sport on regular basis since 1981. Since 1991 when ALL Cup races were shown on live TV, the number of races I have missed could be counted on your fingers and toes, and those were due to errors with VCRs and DVRs.
 
Formerjackman said:
I'm not sure they CAN just leave things alone. They have a quickly narrowing window where they need to try to stop the slide of interest and attract new investment if they want to keep NASCAR from falling into the margins of relevance. I don't think spending a couple years sitting on the failed policies of the Brian France administration is really an option.
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yep Harvick said himself the teams have been ganging up on Nascar and exploiting the loopholes. Some people live in the past, but today Nascar has to not only keep up but stay ahead. My advice would be to read up and see what Nascar has done to remedy the situation instead of hanging on to old ideas from years ago. Now they have assigned the same people to certain cars, have a hard and fast rule back in R&D to outlaw people not complying with the intent of the rules, and it looks like a pretty good system in place to take care of a number of problems..Seems to me heads have been coming together to try to solve the problem.
 
Formerjackman said:
I have been following the sport on regular basis since 1981. Since 1991 when ALL Cup races were shown on live TV, the number of races I have missed could be counted on your fingers and toes, and those were due to errors with VCRs and DVRs.
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We both watched when NASCAR played fast and loose with the rules often times changing the outcomes. I should have stopped watching but instead just changed my opinion of what I was watching. I think it is prudent to question Nascar but I understand that others won’t and I’m ok with it.
 
Formerjackman said:
I'm not sure they CAN just leave things alone. They have a quickly narrowing window where they need to try to stop the slide of interest and attract new investment if they want to keep NASCAR from falling into the margins of relevance. I don't think spending a couple years sitting on the failed policies of the Brian France administration is really an option.
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There’s no guarantees when you throw crap at the wall.
 
StandOnIt said:
yep Harvick said himself the teams have been ganging up on Nascar and exploiting the loopholes. Some people live in the past, but today Nascar has to not only keep up but stay ahead. My advice would be to read up and see what Nascar has done to remedy the situation instead of hanging on to old ideas from years ago. Now they have assigned the same people to certain cars, have a hard and fast rule back in R&D to outlaw people not complying with the intent of the rules, and it looks like a pretty good system in place to take care of a number of problems..Seems to me heads have been coming together to try to solve the problem.
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What is different about how Nascar will determine the legality of a car? I thought that the processes were in place but it was just the penalties that had changed. Not saying I’m right but just curious.
 
IanMcVittie said:
We both watched when NASCAR played fast and loose with the rules often times changing the outcomes. I should have stopped watching but instead just changed my opinion of what I was watching. I think it is prudent to question Nascar but I understand that others won’t and I’m ok with it.
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I have no illusions about what has gone on in NASCAR in the past, and I ALWAYS watch with a healthy dose of scrutiny, BUT, I have seen serious evidence that they have been trying to conduct their business in a more professional way and improve on the errors of the past, so I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt until evidence proves otherwise. For whatever failings NASCAR had, it was often worse elsewhere. Remember when it took MONTHS for USAC to decide who was the rightful winner of the 1981 Indy 500? And as pleased as I was the the outcome, I'm STILL not the least bit certain they got that one right.
 
IanMcVittie said:
What is different about how Nascar will determine the legality of a car? I thought that the processes were in place but it was just the penalties that had changed. Not saying I’m right but just curious.
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They were wish washy on the grey areas. For example year before last and it was well publicized, Hamlin won an Xfinity race in a very close finish and beat a full timer in the series. It was determined Hamlin had an illegal splitter on his car. The Yotas had figured out how to get their's to arc and create more downforce ( am I losing you yet? this isn't about seats) Nascar let it ride in cup year before last and the Toyota's had good success, but after awhile, last year, Nascar made their own splitters to give to the teams instead of letting teams make their own was their solution along with all kinds of modifications to the front pan on the car to help with the balance. This year if they enforce it, something like that will go away before it gets started. For instance already inspectors have caught teams thickening one end of the splitter more than the other side to gain more downforce..show up after the race like that and I can see the car getting DQ'd instead of it becoming standard practice like the old way of doing things.
 
IDK if is because of the off season or what but this DQ rule seems to be getting a ton of attention for something that will likely not come into play.
 
BobbyFord said:
There’s no guarantees when you throw crap at the wall.
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No, there isn't. But, the alternative is just watch the sport circle the drain. The difference this time is you have a different guy with obviously a different agenda steering the ship, so I think he deserves some latitude to try improve the situation.
 
StandOnIt said:
They were wish washy on the grey areas. For example year before last and it was well publicized, Hamlin won an Xfinity race in a very close finish and beat a full timer in the series. It was determined Hamlin had an illegal splitter on his car. The Yotas had figured out how to get their's to arc and create more downforce ( am I losing you yet? this isn't about seats) Nascar let it ride in cup year before last and the Toyota's had good success, but after awhile, last year, Nascar made their own splitters to give to the teams instead of letting teams make their own was their solution along with all kinds of modifications to the front pan on the car to help with the balance. This year if they enforce it, something like that will go away before it gets started. For instance already inspectors have caught teams thickening one end of the splitter more than the other side to gain more downforce..show up after the race like that and I can see the car getting DQ'd instead of it becoming standard practice like the old way of doing things.
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I appreciate the info and the next hurdle will be the low horsepower thing.
 
Formerjackman said:
Well, lets hear what YOU would like to do. If you are going to offer a criticism, offer a solution.
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none of them ever have anything, but it doesn't take much to figure it out, they want what is worse for the sport..if that makes any sense to anybody. It never has or will to me. :D
 
Formerjackman said:
Well, lets hear what YOU would like to do. If you are going to offer a criticism, offer a solution.
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I see the DQ rule as a coin with 2 sides. On one side are the “about damn time” fans that will follow the series regardless. On the other side are a group that doesn’t see the rule as making a huge difference or interesting any new or former fans.

If the rules had been in place last year Kevin Harvick would not have been the 2018 champ. Oh snap he wasn’t as the last race lottery took care of that.
 
IanMcVittie said:
I see the DQ rule as a coin with 2 sides. On one side are the “about damn time” fans that will follow the series regardless. On the other side are a group that doesn’t see the rule as making a huge difference or interesting any new or former fans.

If the rules had been in place last year Kevin Harvick would not have been the 2018 champ. Oh snap he wasn’t as the last race lottery took care of that.
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Do you think the new administration will take away the existing playoff system in the future? The foot and a ballers spend half the season doing playoffs and continue to lay an egg with the super duper bowl.
 
StandOnIt said:
none of them ever have anything, but it doesn't take much to figure it out, they want what is worse for the sport..if that makes any sense to anybody. It never has or will to me. :D
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My idea for what is best for Nascar is whatever adds younger people and increased overall consumer involvement. It doesn’t have to be anything I like so long as helps the series.

So far 2 rounds of abominable cars, chases, playoffs, stages, idiotic qualifying and laying down hairspray on the tracks haven’t helped. Maybe lowering horsepower and reducing driver skill will be the magic bullet
 
StandOnIt said:
Do you think the new administration will take away the existing playoff system in the future? The foot and a ballers spend half the season doing playoffs and continue to lay an egg with the super duper bowl.
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IDK what the new admin will do. They think robbing the cars of power and reducing the skill necessary to drive themwas a good idea. That doesn’t exactly inspire confidence now does it?
 
IanMcVittie said:
My idea for what is best for Nascar is whatever adds younger people and increased overall consumer involvement. It doesn’t have to be anything I like so long as helps the series.

So far 2 rounds of abominable cars, chases, playoffs, stages, idiotic qualifying and laying down hairspray on the tracks haven’t helped. Maybe lowering horsepower and reducing driver skill will be the magic bullet
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while you weren't paying attention
 
StandOnIt said:
while you weren't paying attention
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I’ve commented on this several times and I think it is a great idea. IDK why you would wait until you lost half your fan base to start marketing your product as someone was asleep at the wheel. It is hard to believe that Uncle Jimmy and Lesa allowed Brian to do so much damage.
 
IanMcVittie said:
I’ve commented on this several times and I think it is a great idea. IDK why you would wait until you lost half your fan base to start marketing your product as someone was asleep at the wheel. It is hard to believe that Uncle Jimmy and Lesa allowed Brian to do so much damage.
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“NASCAR is the biggest for auto racing in America,” Deegan said. “Even if the ratings are down a bit, there’s a whole new generation of kids taking in the sport, largely through being connected to social media.”

The numbers bear this out: NASCAR is second only to the NFL in reaching millennials, reaching five times as many millennials as MLS per event. Approximately half of the social media audiences of NASCAR-owned accounts are millennials, according to Nielsen Scarborough.
 
BobbyFord said:
Dump the playoffs, dump the stages, go back to single car qualifying, leave the horsepower alone, raise the splitter off the track, cut the rear spoiler in half...
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I'm right with you for on the first two. The qualifying, I don't really care either way, but I had actually grown to like the knockout system. More action and less wasted time, but not a big deal to me either way. The problem with the horsepower is that they are just overpowering so many of the tracks. The same thing happened with the Indy 500. For 85 years, they chased pure speed, and it just got to the point of absurdity and had to be dialed back. NASCAR reached that point quite some time ago in my opinion, but nothing was done. I have NEVER thought that horsepower and speed by itself constitute great entertainment. As for the last two, believe me, I would have SWORN that was the way to go, but man did I hate the result. Could it still be made to work? Maybe, it didn't deliver ANY of the things I was looking for in watching a race. I was expecting the cars to drive so tough the drivers would look like they were swatting flies, but all they did was play follow the leader for three hours, so I'm ready to try something different. If that doesn't work, let's put our heads together and try something else.
 
Formerjackman said:
I'm right with you for on the first two. The qualifying, I don't really care either way, but I had actually grown to like the knockout system. More action and less wasted time, but not a big deal to me either way. The problem with the horsepower is that they are just overpowering so many of the tracks. The same thing happened with the Indy 500. For 85 years, they chased pure speed, and it just got to the point of absurdity and had to be dialed back. NASCAR reached that point quite some time ago in my opinion, but nothing was done. I have NEVER thought that horsepower and speed by itself constitute great entertainment. As for the last two, believe me, I would have SWORN that was the way to go, but man did I hate the result. Could it still be made to work? Maybe, it didn't deliver ANY of the things I was looking for in watching a race. I was expecting the cars to drive so tough the drivers would look like they were swatting flies, but all they did was play follow the leader for three hours, so I'm ready to try something different. If that doesn't work, let's put our heads together and try something else.
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I believe we’re about to see Follow the Leader 2.0
 
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