Fail inspection you lose race

StandOnIt said:
you live behind the curve

“NASCAR is the biggest for auto racing in America,” Deegan said. “Even if the ratings are down a bit, there’s a whole new generation of kids taking in the sport, largely through being connected to social media.”

The numbers bear this out: NASCAR is second only to the NFL in reaching millennials, reaching five times as many millennials as MLS per event. Approximately half of the social media audiences of NASCAR-owned accounts are millennials, according to Nielsen Scarborough.
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That all sounds good but why would Nascar talk of slashing 25% of its races in the near future? Why would the series drop from having a 75 million dollar sponsor to a 20 million sponsor to not being able to get one at all? Why couldn’t a championship team get a sponsor and have to close down? Why did Chip G have to close down his X team? Why did 800k less watch each race in 2018 versus 2017?

I guess Nascar is doing really well in stats that can’t be quantified or monitized. How else can you explain it?
 
BobbyFord said:
I believe we’re about to see Follow the Leader 2.0
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All indications are that at best this low horsepower thing will create an illusion of greater competition. We already know it will penalize the most skilled drivers and there should be more wrecks and longer races. Maybe new fans will like it.
 
Nascar said they may go to 28 races. Why would they say that if they weren’t considering it?
 
IanMcVittie said:
Why did Chip G have to close down his X team?
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Chips sponsor at the last minute was raided by the IRS and all of their holdings were seized. They owed Chip 4.5 million dollars when they filed for chap 11 shelter. It takes months to do a funded Xfinity team , paint schemes, advertising schedules not to mention the pre built cars that Chip already had built that he would have to run in out of his own pocket after already having to cover a 4.5 million dollar loss overall.
 
IanMcVittie said:
Why would the series drop from having a 75 million dollar sponsor to a 20 million sponsor to not being able to get one at all?
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This year's sponsor you say they don't have
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StandOnIt said:
Chips sponsor at the last minute was raided by the IRS and all of their holdings were seized. They owed Chip 4.5 million dollars when they filed for chap 11 shelter. It takes months to do a funded Xfinity team , paint schemes, advertising schedules not to mention the pre built cars that Chip already had built that he would have to run in out of his own pocket after already having to cover a 4.5 million dollar loss overall.
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Why couldn’t Chip get other sponsors? What about the other points?
 
“I think for us, we’re really looking at a total culture change,” said Steve O’Donnell, NASCAR Executive Vice President and Chief Racing Development Officer. “We’ve been through a deterrence model where we’ve really worked with the race teams at the track and probably been more lenient than we should in terms of the number of times teams can go through inspection and pass, fail and there’s almost incentive to try to get something by NASCAR, so we want to really reverse that trend.

“We’re going to put it on the teams to bring their equipment right. When they come to the track, we’ll be much less lenient as they go through technical inspection with stiffer penalties in terms of qualifying, and then ultimately during the race, obviously we want everyone to be racing straight up.”
https://www.nascar.com/news-media/2019/02/04/nascar-rules-disqualification-2019-inspection-track/
 
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Miller and Fabian said NASCAR will continue to focus on certain “hot” areas of vehicles in inspection, including parts and components designed to fail over the course of a race to gain an advantage. Elton Sawyer, NASCAR’s Vice President of Officiating and Technical Inspection, said officials still will inspect cars at the R&D Center to explore trends as teams search for grey areas in the rule book.
 
Nascar is getting great mpg on this story. Although I haven’t seen anything of it on local media or the MSM.
 
StandOnIt said:
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Miller and Fabian said NASCAR will continue to focus on certain “hot” areas of vehicles in inspection, including parts and components designed to fail over the course of a race to gain an advantage. Elton Sawyer, NASCAR’s Vice President of Officiating and Technical Inspection, said officials still will inspect cars at the R&D Center to explore trends as teams search for grey areas in the rule book.
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I wonder if Patty Moise or Bernie Taupin are helping Elton out?
 
BobbyFord said:
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In the limited number of examples we have seen something that approximates the 2019 aero package, it has been anything BUT that. I was there for last years Exfinity race at Indy, and they crossed the line four wide to end stage one. I seem to remember plenty of passing on All-Star weekend too. Obviously it will be a work in progress, but I think they can make it a workable platform.
 
Formerjackman said:
In the limited number of examples we have seen something that approximates the 2019 aero package, it has been anything BUT that. I was there for last years Exfinity race at Indy, and they crossed the line four wide to end stage one. I seem to remember plenty of passing on All-Star weekend too. Obviously it will be a work in progress, but I think they can make it a workable platform.
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yeah it gets pretty hilarious, they went 4 wide the last test with the cup cars at Vegas. But I think a person needs to pay attention these days, things are changing fast. Soon to have a different car, could probably be racing at different tracks soon also.
 
Formerjackman said:
In the limited number of examples we have seen something that approximates the 2019 aero package, it has been anything BUT that. I was there for last years Exfinity race at Indy, and they crossed the line four wide to end stage one. I seem to remember plenty of passing on All-Star weekend too. Obviously it will be a work in progress, but I think they can make it a workable platform.
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I wasn’t impressed with the testing at LVMS.
I guess I’ll have to wait until March to see race trim.
 
In forty years of following this sport, I don't recall ever seeing much of anything from a test that impressed me, just like practice seldom ever does. In both cases, you never really know what anyone's agenda is.
 
Formerjackman said:
In forty years of following this sport, I don't recall ever seeing much of anything from a test that impressed me, just like practice seldom ever does. In both cases, you never really know what anyone's agenda is.
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In forty years of following the sport I’m less and less interested as time goes on. I’m not holding my breath.
 
Formerjackman said:
I don't really understand your way of thinking. If NASCAR wanted to sweep cheating under the rug, they could have kept it quiet up to this point and the sport as a whole would have looked better. Wouldn't it have been "better for the sport" if the world had never known about Rodney's illegal blade? But, no, NASCAR was up front and center with it, so WHY would they suddenly stop being transparent now? A LOT of fans and critics of the sport have LONG pushed for this, going back at least as far as Richard Petty's cheated up Charlotte win in 1983, so FINALLY NASCAR is giving people what they asked for. Why the cynicism? I think they probably would love nothing more than to bust somebody and show they mean business.
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I didn't say anything about sweeping stuff under the rug. Handle it behind closed doors--you are still handling it. Rodney's blade truly threatens the sport. Pissed the sanctioning body off. They need to go quiet now because they will never get ahead of this, and I believe they know it. If they DQ teams every week the credibility of the sport gets even worse. That's why this is win-win. Big statement, and no way to know if it works or not, but the spin will be that it does. What the hell is the number you are looking at when you say "a lot of fans?" I am so damn tired of this. Is that Gluck's poll? People here? Social media? If this is what everybody wanted, why did it take so long? Why the huge boom in early 2000? It was all okay then. Do you honestly believe that NASCAR wants to strip Chase Elliott of a win? I mean, do you really believe that?
 
Revman said:
I didn't say anything about sweeping stuff under the rug. Handle it behind closed doors--you are still handling it. Rodney's blade truly threatens the sport. Pissed the sanctioning body off. They need to go quiet now because they will never get ahead of this, and I believe they know it. If they DQ teams every week the credibility of the sport gets even worse. That's why this is win-win. Big statement, and no way to know if it works or not, but the spin will be that it does. What the hell is the number you are looking at when you say "a lot of fans?" I am so damn tired of this. Is that Gluck's poll? People here? Social media? If this is what everybody wanted, why did it take so long? Why the huge boom in early 2000? It was all okay then. Do you honestly believe that NASCAR wants to strip Chase Elliott of a win? I mean, do you really believe that?
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I don't think you are paying much attention to some of the aspects of the new rule package. At R&D next year they will examine for "trends" as they call it. And yeah they will notify privately the team that is trying to circumvent the spirit of the rules. If necessary they WILL make a rule against what is being done. But as they say a warning will be issued first.
 
Formerjackman said:
In forty years of following this sport, I don't recall ever seeing much of anything from a test that impressed me, just like practice seldom ever does. In both cases, you never really know what anyone's agenda is.
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You could always count on Rusty to change springs and shocks every practice.
 
Team Penske said:
You could always count on Rusty to change springs and shocks every practice.
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yeah, so what? What I'm saying is, I never try to draw too many conclusions from practice, like who is fast and who is not, because you never know what the teams are REALLY trying to do with their practice times. While some cars may be out there trying to set the fastest lap time or set the best ten lap average, another team might be out there on forty lap tires trying to see how the car handles at the end of a fuel run. Unless you know what they are trying to accomplish, you can't draw any REAL conclusions about what you are seeing. The same thing goes for these test session. Everybody has their own agenda, and it's probably NOT trying to make you think the new rule package is good or not.
 
And that is the very reason the reporters should get off their butts and give us this information.
But your right the way things are it is useless to watch.
 
StandOnIt said:
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Miller and Fabian said NASCAR will continue to focus on certain “hot” areas of vehicles in inspection, including parts and components designed to fail over the course of a race to gain an advantage. Elton Sawyer, NASCAR’s Vice President of Officiating and Technical Inspection, said officials still will inspect cars at the R&D Center to explore trends as teams search for grey areas in the rule book.
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I remember watching Elton race at Langley speedway in Hampton, VA
 
I'm not too sure Chad and Rodney and Cole are going to be all that forthcoming about what their practice strategy is. I have to say that I have to be REALLY bored to watch a NASCAR practice, because I just see don't see any value in it. I might have it on in the background and listen to what the announcers are saying, but I'll be doing something else.
 
StandOnIt said:
I don't think you are paying much attention to some of the aspects of the new rule package. At R&D next year they will examine for "trends" as they call it. And yeah they will notify privately the team that is trying to circumvent the spirit of the rules. If necessary they WILL make a rule against what is being done. But as they say a warning will be issued first.
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I absolutely noticed that, and I like that a lot. I don't have a problem with the penalties--just don't want to turn this into a ****show. As I mentioned, I would take slow and legal over fast and marginal every day of the week. I am counting on OSS to be as good as it is supposed to be, and that NASCAR won't forget to check the blades. Your post is appreciated. Great point.
 
I can only see this as a major "win" for NASCAR. There's obviously changes being made in the administrative ranks, (no more Brian. I hope). A tightening of the corporate belt by laying people off that NASCAR doesn't need. And announcing the most common sense policy they have ever announced. You cheat, get caught, you lose. I honestly see all of this as a business that's heading in a much better direction. Add to these changes, last years racing was outstanding. If a fan of Stock Car Racing can't see the upsides of these changes, well then, their is probably nothing NASCAR or anyone else can do to make them happy. I know on a lot of Sunday afternoons NBC broadcast Ice Skating. Maybe that would be more enjoyable.
 
StandOnIt said:
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Miller and Fabian said NASCAR will continue to focus on certain “hot” areas of vehicles in inspection, including parts and components designed to fail over the course of a race to gain an advantage. Elton Sawyer, NASCAR’s Vice President of Officiating and Technical Inspection, said officials still will inspect cars at the R&D Center to explore trends as teams search for grey areas in the rule book.
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Yeah, I get it, but if you are going that deep, the burnouts must stop. To allow them is inconsistent with NASCAR's big ball stance.
 
Well, like everything else, the burnouts have been taken to absurdity. If I were a car owner, I'd bill the driver for every bit of damage done to race car during the burnout. I can't believe the sealed engine deal didn't put a stop to all of that. Sitting there bouncing the engine off the rev limiter is not particularly good on them.
 
Formerjackman said:
I'm not too sure Chad and Rodney and Cole are going to be all that forthcoming about what their practice strategy is. I have to say that I have to be REALLY bored to watch a NASCAR practice, because I just see don't see any value in it. I might have it on in the background and listen to what the announcers are saying, but I'll be doing something else.
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Many years ago I used to watch practice and qualifying. I used to listen to the pit reporters and to what drivers said before the race until it dawned on me that none of it held any value for me. It is the same thing with hearing an invocation or the anthem or seeing how cute baby Mavrick looks with his daddy’s gear on.

Races are cluttered up with a bunch of useless commentary, camera shots, commercials, stage breaks, caution and debris clean up, split screens and inane speak from racing “experts.”

What makes it really nice for me is that by using a DVR and cutting out what I feel are nonessentials I can watch a race in a relatively short period of time. I doubt many people would approve of this method but it is the only way I can watch anymore.
 
Revman said:
I absolutely noticed that, and I like that a lot. I don't have a problem with the penalties--just don't want to turn this into a ****show. As I mentioned, I would take slow and legal over fast and marginal every day of the week. I am counting on OSS to be as good as it is supposed to be, and that NASCAR won't forget to check the blades. Your post is appreciated. Great point.
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For you I would be counting Fords 19 wins last season instead of obsessing about a blade? :D
 
IanMcVittie said:
Many years ago I used to watch practice and qualifying. I used to listen to the pit reporters and to what drivers said before the race until it dawned on me that none of it held any value for me. It is the same thing with hearing an invocation or the anthem or seeing how cute baby Mavrick looks with his daddy’s gear on.

Races are cluttered up with a bunch of useless commentary, camera shots, commercials, stage breaks, caution and debris clean up, split screens and inane speak from racing “experts.”

What makes it really nice for me is that by using a DVR and cutting out what I feel are nonessentials I can watch a race in a relatively short period of time. I doubt many people would approve of this method but it is the only way I can watch anymore.
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There are weeks where the first thing I see on TV for the whole race WEEK is the starter with the green flag in the air.
 
mack said:
I can only see this as a major "win" for NASCAR. There's obviously changes being made in the administrative ranks, (no more Brian. I hope). A tightening of the corporate belt by laying people off that NASCAR doesn't need. And announcing the most common sense policy they have ever announced. You cheat, get caught, you lose. I honestly see all of this as a business that's heading in a much better direction. Add to these changes, last years racing was outstanding. If a fan of Stock Car Racing can't see the upsides of these changes, well then, their is probably nothing NASCAR or anyone else can do to make them happy. I know on a lot of Sunday afternoons NBC broadcast Ice Skating. Maybe that would be more enjoyable.
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A lot of us will agree with you that the racing last year was great and we were very disappointed Nascar decided to replace it with slow poke racing. I understand that change was needed due to the mind boggling losses in viewership and attendance Nascar suffered last year.

The jury is out on whether Nascar is headed in the correct direction or not. Once we get through a half season or so we will have a better idea as to how the changes are being received. If the ratings and attendance are flat or rising that will be good but if they are still losing than this plan is failing.

Another huge win for Nascar would be for people under 30 to become fans,
 
Formerjackman said:
There are weeks where the first thing I see on TV for the whole race WEEK is the starter with the green flag in the air.
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Same here. I have never heard anyone state what value they receive spending all the extra time watching related programming.
 
IanMcVittie said:
A lot of us will agree with you that the racing last year was great and we were very disappointed Nascar decided to replace it with slow poke racing. I understand that change was needed due to the mind boggling losses in viewership and attendance Nascar suffered last year.

The jury is out on whether Nascar is headed in the correct direction or not. Once we get through a half season or so we will have a better idea as to how the changes are being received. If the ratings and attendance are flat or rising that will be good but if they are still losing than this plan is failing.

Another huge win for Nascar would be for people under 30 to become fans,
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It looks like they will be about 20MPH slower this year.

“NASCAR is the biggest for auto racing in America,” Deegan said. “Even if the ratings are down a bit, there’s a whole new generation of kids taking in the sport, largely through being connected to social media.”

The numbers bear this out: NASCAR is second only to the NFL in reaching millennials, reaching five times as many millennials as MLS per event. Approximately half of the social media audiences of NASCAR-owned accounts are millennials, according to Nielsen Scarborough.
 
StandOnIt said:
It looks like they will be about 20MPH slower this year. Maybe you can speed up your dvr you say you have to get the full affect. It looks like your "save the children" campaign is having an effect.:D

“NASCAR is the biggest for auto racing in America,” Deegan said. “Even if the ratings are down a bit, there’s a whole new generation of kids taking in the sport, largely through being connected to social media.”

The numbers bear this out: NASCAR is second only to the NFL in reaching millennials, reaching five times as many millennials as MLS per event. Approximately half of the social media audiences of NASCAR-owned accounts are millennials, according to Nielsen Scarborough.
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If you call losing half your audience “being down a little bit” you need a lot of help.

From what you posted Nascar is doing very well in a category that has no value when it comes to being quantified or monetized.

If things were all well at Nascar they wouldn’t have had to can a bunch of people and they sure wouldn’t be talking about dropping 8 races. Why would a successful and profitable organization slash product? Do major stick and ball leagues shorten schedules?
 
Team Penske said:
BUT it is all true. Clutter is the code for the day. I tune in to watch a race, not some fat boy trying to be funny when he hasn't learned to shave yet. :sarcasm:
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I heard Michael Waltrip does something stupid at the beginning of the race but IDK what it is. There is no accounting for taste.
 
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