Final Four

Towmater said:
I'd like to have Jr. win the race. NBC wouldn't know what to do. Do you spend time chatting about Jr.'s win and it being his final race or do you show the 1st Monster Energy NASCAR Champion? It would make their head's explode.
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Jr or any of other none championship driver, but more so Jr , it will overload NBC
 
Conover said:
By the way...I hate the term "Championship 4". Who came up with that? It rolls off the tongue
Iike chunks of chicken salad...
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I like my chicken salad chunky. Chicken, celery, carrots, apple, nuts (pecan, walnut, or almond), grapes or raisins or cranberries, with just enough curry powder, stuffed in a pita.:):)
 
I am more curious how long it will take the top 4 to get in a nose to tail freight train.

Seems what I remember the drivers clear the dance floor for them. There may be
someone that breaks rank and try a get in the middle of it but I would not advise that
unless that's the way they want to be treated if in a same future situation.

Then there are team mates, can they help by throwing a block or moving chicane?

My Predictions:
Harvick wins race and championship
K. Busch blows a right front and ends day in wall
Truex JR. finishes 4th
Keselowski caught up in someone else's wreck early on

Can't wait for the last 50 in this one.
 
Going to be a good race I bet. I'm going to have the sound turned down until it gets close to the end. Seems to work best for me. Way too much B.S. info to listen to. I can't get into the flow of the race with all of that blabbering. So much of it is another commercial.
 
ToyYoda said:
It'll be kind of ironic if Harvick wins it. He will have won championships in '14 and '17 but had his best seasons in '15 and '16.
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A good observation. Based on the 35 races so far, Harvick is the odd man out who really is not among the best four of the year. If Larson had been there instead of Harvick, it would be the perfect four of 2017.

But Harvick qualified under the rules that exist, while the 42 did not. It is what it is. And the format this year is a big improvement over what we had in 2014-16, IMO.

All "Round of 8" teams had to deliver their Homestead cars to Nascar last week... before the Phoenix race. I presume Nascar keeps all the cars after inspection at the R&D Center, and transports them to Homestead... and monitors garage activity once the cars are turned over to the teams at the track. Is that how it works?
 
Pretty sure the teams send transporters over to pick them up. Keep ham-handed strangers away.
 
I see bad luck catching up to Truex, blown tire, wreck, over.
I see Busch getting caught up in a wreck while marching back to the front after a fubared pit stop. Done.
I see Kez struggling with a car that won't work how he needs it to. Wills the car to a top five finish. Short.
I see Harvick riding momentum through the race to be the (next to) last man standing. Champ.
 
ChexOrWrex said:
“Winning matters”
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Huh? Perhaps you meant to say that Chase Elliott would "expose" something because he doesn't win, at least not yet? Or Harvick, because he has fewer wins than the other three members of the Final Four and fewer than several who didn't get there?

The perfect Final Four from 2017 would be 78, 18, 42, 2. Larson instead of Harvick.
 
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LewTheShoe said:
So do I. I'd like to hear @ChexOrWrex explain why a Keselowski victory would "expose" the format. That would be interesting reading.
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Well ... as you are undoubtedly aware, a racer could win the first 35 races one right after another, finish second at Homestead and not win The Cup. The format is obviously flawed.
 
With the dominance that Truex's team has had this year, they should be the champions. That said, the format is what it is and if they don't win, then they didn't put the whole season together to make it happen. That's all.
 
zevious said:
With the dominance that Truex's team has had this year, they should be the champions. That said, the format is what it is and if they don't win, then they didn't put the whole season together to make it happen. That's all.
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Exactly. Everybody knew the deal before they dropped the rag at Daytona.

Truex knows what he has to do.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Okay, WHY is it better than Truex securing the title at Texas? The races at Phoenix and Homestead would still be run. Drivers would still be trying to win, improve their final standings, and get some off-season momentum. Those looking for jobs would still be trying to impress owners.
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No they would be logging laps collecting a pay check. The playoff is not perfect but it's better than someone clinching with 3 races left.
 
Musrat#2 said:
No they would be logging laps collecting a pay check. The playoff is not perfect but it's better than someone clinching with 3 races left.
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No it isnt, it's a gimmick, just like the stages. Awarding consistency throughout the season should be what the championship is based on, not winning once then showing up for the "playoffs". Do you see playoffs, stage racing, and the chase at your local track?
 
Mopardh9 said:
No it isnt, it's a gimmick, just like the stages. Awarding consistency throughout the season should be what the championship is based on, not winning once then showing up for the "playoffs". Do you see playoffs, stage racing, and the chase at your local track?
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To be fair they gave Truex a regular season trophy. Main problem is people see playoffs as a gimmick which I don't understand. Are all playoffs gimmicks then? I've heard a driver could win 35 races and still lose the Championship. That's how a playoff works, just ask the New England Patriots. Im not the biggest fan of stage racing either and think the playoffs should be run like a standard race to distinguish it from the regular season a bit. Stage racing could be alot better though with just a few tweaks.
 
Simple Fan said:
To be fair they gave Truex a regular season trophy. Main problem is people see playoffs as a gimmick which I don't understand. Are all playoffs gimmicks then? I've heard a driver could win 35 races and still lose the Championship. That's how a playoff works, just ask the New England Patriots. Im not the biggest fan of stage racing either and think the playoffs should be run like a standard race to distinguish it from the regular season a bit. Stage racing could be alot better though with just a few tweaks.
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Points should not be reset, the old system was the way it should be done, but in this day and age people need that fake excitement to keep them interested.
 
Mopardh9 said:
Points should not be reset, the old system was the way it should be done, but in this day and age people need that fake excitement to keep them interested.
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It's not fake excitement, Chase/Denny was real and a natural result of this format that you probably wouldn't have got under the old system. Truex would already have it locked up and the last couple of races would be meaningless.
 
I'm thinking the final four should stay out of the way of those in the field looking for a win. The field will try to avoid the Four but when it comes down to a win - especially a first time winner, the Four should be careful. Its Four on Four for the title vs. the field for a win.
 
Zerkfitting said:
I'm thinking the final four should stay out of the way of those in the field looking for a win. The field will try to avoid the Four but when it comes down to a win - especially a first time winner, the Four should be careful. Its Four on Four for the title vs. the field for a win.
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Sure but the last 3 years have been won by the champion so they better watch out too
 
Simple Fan said:
To be fair they gave Truex a regular season trophy. Main problem is people see playoffs as a gimmick which I don't understand. Are all playoffs gimmicks then? I've heard a driver could win 35 races and still lose the Championship. That's how a playoff works, just ask the New England Patriots. Im not the biggest fan of stage racing either and think the playoffs should be run like a standard race to distinguish it from the regular season a bit. Stage racing could be alot better though with just a few tweaks.
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I've made these points before, but I'll try again.

Teams in stick and ball sports don't play every single other team every single week. Stick and ball sports need playoffs because their schedules don't permit everyone to play everyone even a single time. For example, the Super Bowl champion will face at most only 16 of the 31 other teams in the NFL, likely less depending on how the playoff pairings shake out. It has to be assumed that the teams with the best records are capable of beating everyone in their conferences because the schedule doesn't permit it to be actually proven. Even then, the division champions get in regardless of their records, occasionally resulting in teams with .500 records or worse advancing to the playoffs while teams with better records may be done for the year.

In NASCAR, everyone plays everyone else every single week. You don't need a playoff because the drivers with the highest points have already demonstrated they're consistently better than the rest.
 
pretty much the best 4 cars all year are racing for it. The other cars in the field fast or slow will make it interesting and could play a role in the race is the way I look at it. I don't see anything different from the other races except the reward is for the cup. Fans that like racing are going to like it, whiners will continue to whine.
 
Zerkfitting said:
I'm thinking the final four should stay out of the way of those in the field looking for a win. The field will try to avoid the Four but when it comes down to a win - especially a first time winner, the Four should be careful. Its Four on Four for the title vs. the field for a win.
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Screw that. If one of the four is in the way of a driver hunting his (or her?) first win on the last lap, I strongly encourage that driver to punt whoever's in the way.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
I've made these points before, but I'll try again.

Teams in stick and ball sports don't play every single other team every single week. Stick and ball sports need playoffs because their schedules don't permit everyone to play everyone even a single time. For example, the Super Bowl champion will face at most only 16 of the 31 other teams in the NFL, likely less depending on how the playoff pairings shake out. It has to be assumed that the teams with the best records are capable of beating everyone in their conferences because the schedule doesn't permit it to be actually proven. Even then, the division champions get in regardless of their records, occasionally resulting in teams with .500 records or worse advancing to the playoffs while teams with better records are done for the year.

In NASCAR, everyone plays everyone else every single week. You don't need a playoff because the drivers with the highest points have already demonstrated they're consistently better than the rest.
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You have some good points buddy. But I don’t want a champion crowned 2-3 weeks before the year is over
 
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