Fixing Attendance

I wonder how many attended just to see Jr in his last 'Dega race?
 
StewartHaas-Gibbs Racing said:
Also who watches races live anymore? I sure as hell don't, I only did it with the Dover race cause I watched it with my dad. The only other ones I'll watch live is the Daytona 500, the racing day of the year with Monaco, indy and Charlotte and then if I'm home I'll watch the final "playoff" races to decide the champion.

Otherwise I dvr everything and when I get to it I get it to it. That's the main reason I show up here and there now because I'm never up to date and this is the only place that would spoil the results for me.
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I watch the DVR version as well. But because my satellite is tuned to that channel to record the race, am I not counted as a viewer? BTW, I watch the race before going to any forums.
 
I'm cool. Nascar is its own worst enemy. Boring aero parade racing, Driver with one of the best season records out of the so called playoffs ,Stupid rules and worse enforcement [.Example] Start and restart rules,Any other racing that I know of green flag means race not let the pole sitter be first and no racing till the line. Restarts by the flag not some stupid zone. Leaders only advantage is picking a side We should be more interested in improving the product IMHO this will improve attendance and viewership
 
I don't really know the answer for fixing attendance in NASCAR at this point, but I think they could look to Sprint Car racing for some ideas. We just has the annual Trophy Cup at Tulare Thunderbowl Raceway out here in Tulare, CA last weekend and over a Thursday, Friday and Saturday they were jam packed in the seats. I'm not sure about the attendance, but I would guess 7-10k can be held in the stands alone. I understand that it is an annual race and not every week has that kind of attendance, but you can travel around the nation for Sprint Car races and find large purses and huge shows that draw and have incredible lineage and history. I think that when the average person sits down and watched a Sprint Car race they see chaos and incredible feats when it comes to what these guys are able to do. The cars look out of control and the spills and flips are incredible and there is a sense of impending danger to what they are doing.

I think Nascar has become Vanilla ice cream. The personalities, the tracks, the history etc. When is the last time that something truly historic happened? I guess Jimmie tying the 7th title mark is big, but even if it were 8, I think it is only significant to NASCAR fans. All of the tracks lack in character, they lack in lineage with the exception of Darlington, Daytona, Dega and a few more. We need more character. My wife has informed me that she has no more interest in going to NASCAR races if they are on larger tracks. She wants to see bumping, and shoving. We just got back from Charlotte and she said she liked it and was glad we could see everything, but the "conveyor belt" of cars is too hard to keep track of. That's real description from someone who is not racing stupid. She preferred Sonoma, a place where you see maybe 50% of the race if you are lucky, over a track where we were able to see everything because the drivers actually look like they are doing something that you as a fan cannot.

I think NASCAR has lost that over the years. I always love Darlington because it is a tough racetrack. Same goes for Rockingham. These tracks were tough and violent and when a driver got out he looked like the track gave him a hard time. Bristol and Martinsville have that and so do the road courses. People want to think they are watching something hey cannot do. I cannot hit a 400 foot HR, so when Giancarlo Stanton does it and it goes 480ft. I am fully entertained by it. When a driver steps out of a race car and he looks like he did when he gets in and you just watched a 4 hour parade it looks easy.

Sprint Cars are visibly difficult to handle. It sounds bad, but when these guys get up on the rear wheels and they jump the cushion and the wall sucks them up and then chews them up and spits them out into a barrel roll of flips the crowd stands in utter silence until the driver climbs out and then the sound of shock from the fans fills the air. You have to find a way to create that in NASCAR. Make the cars harder to handle and give me guys leaning on each other and taking liberties with the cars.
 
I don't think of Nascar having an attendance problem even though they draw significantly less spectators than 5-10-15-20 years ago. I believe there will always be big events like the plate tracks and the Bristol night race but I think most of the other races will settle in around 30-40K mark and those are numbers that can be lived with as long as the TV money is getting paid.
 
clarkfn2284 said:
I don't really know the answer for fixing attendance in NASCAR at this point, but I think they could look to Sprint Car racing for some ideas. We just has the annual Trophy Cup at Tulare Thunderbowl Raceway out here in Tulare, CA last weekend and over a Thursday, Friday and Saturday they were jam packed in the seats. I'm not sure about the attendance, but I would guess 7-10k can be held in the stands alone. I understand that it is an annual race and not every week has that kind of attendance, but you can travel around the nation for Sprint Car races and find large purses and huge shows that draw and have incredible lineage and history. I think that when the average person sits down and watched a Sprint Car race they see chaos and incredible feats when it comes to what these guys are able to do. The cars look out of control and the spills and flips are incredible and there is a sense of impending danger to what they are doing.

I think Nascar has become Vanilla ice cream. The personalities, the tracks, the history etc. When is the last time that something truly historic happened? I guess Jimmie tying the 7th title mark is big, but even if it were 8, I think it is only significant to NASCAR fans. All of the tracks lack in character, they lack in lineage with the exception of Darlington, Daytona, Dega and a few more. We need more character. My wife has informed me that she has no more interest in going to NASCAR races if they are on larger tracks. She wants to see bumping, and shoving. We just got back from Charlotte and she said she liked it and was glad we could see everything, but the "conveyor belt" of cars is too hard to keep track of. That's real description from someone who is not racing stupid. She preferred Sonoma, a place where you see maybe 50% of the race if you are lucky, over a track where we were able to see everything because the drivers actually look like they are doing something that you as a fan cannot.

I think NASCAR has lost that over the years. I always love Darlington because it is a tough racetrack. Same goes for Rockingham. These tracks were tough and violent and when a driver got out he looked like the track gave him a hard time. Bristol and Martinsville have that and so do the road courses. People want to think they are watching something hey cannot do. I cannot hit a 400 foot HR, so when Giancarlo Stanton does it and it goes 480ft. I am fully entertained by it. When a driver steps out of a race car and he looks like he did when he gets in and you just watched a 4 hour parade it looks easy.

Sprint Cars are visibly difficult to handle. It sounds bad, but when these guys get up on the rear wheels and they jump the cushion and the wall sucks them up and then chews them up and spits them out into a barrel roll of flips the crowd stands in utter silence until the driver climbs out and then the sound of shock from the fans fills the air. You have to find a way to create that in NASCAR. Make the cars harder to handle and give me guys leaning on each other and taking liberties with the cars.
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Absolutely correct, Nascar has become a snooze fest.
 
clarkfn2284 said:
I don't really know the answer for fixing attendance in NASCAR at this point, but I think they could look to Sprint Car racing for some ideas. We just has the annual Trophy Cup at Tulare Thunderbowl Raceway out here in Tulare, CA last weekend and over a Thursday, Friday and Saturday they were jam packed in the seats. I'm not sure about the attendance, but I would guess 7-10k can be held in the stands alone. I understand that it is an annual race and not every week has that kind of attendance, but you can travel around the nation for Sprint Car races and find large purses and huge shows that draw and have incredible lineage and history. I think that when the average person sits down and watched a Sprint Car race they see chaos and incredible feats when it comes to what these guys are able to do. The cars look out of control and the spills and flips are incredible and there is a sense of impending danger to what they are doing.

I think Nascar has become Vanilla ice cream. The personalities, the tracks, the history etc. When is the last time that something truly historic happened? I guess Jimmie tying the 7th title mark is big, but even if it were 8, I think it is only significant to NASCAR fans. All of the tracks lack in character, they lack in lineage with the exception of Darlington, Daytona, Dega and a few more. We need more character. My wife has informed me that she has no more interest in going to NASCAR races if they are on larger tracks. She wants to see bumping, and shoving. We just got back from Charlotte and she said she liked it and was glad we could see everything, but the "conveyor belt" of cars is too hard to keep track of. That's real description from someone who is not racing stupid. She preferred Sonoma, a place where you see maybe 50% of the race if you are lucky, over a track where we were able to see everything because the drivers actually look like they are doing something that you as a fan cannot.

I think NASCAR has lost that over the years. I always love Darlington because it is a tough racetrack. Same goes for Rockingham. These tracks were tough and violent and when a driver got out he looked like the track gave him a hard time. Bristol and Martinsville have that and so do the road courses. People want to think they are watching something hey cannot do. I cannot hit a 400 foot HR, so when Giancarlo Stanton does it and it goes 480ft. I am fully entertained by it. When a driver steps out of a race car and he looks like he did when he gets in and you just watched a 4 hour parade it looks easy.

Sprint Cars are visibly difficult to handle. It sounds bad, but when these guys get up on the rear wheels and they jump the cushion and the wall sucks them up and then chews them up and spits them out into a barrel roll of flips the crowd stands in utter silence until the driver climbs out and then the sound of shock from the fans fills the air. You have to find a way to create that in NASCAR. Make the cars harder to handle and give me guys leaning on each other and taking liberties with the cars.
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REALLY agree about the newer tracks lacking any character.
 
Johnny G said:
REALLY agree about the newer tracks lacking any character.
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Ditto on many of these. Very frustrating when cars get stretched out into single file at these large tracks within three laps of a restart...PRIMARILY because they HAVE TO DUE TO DIRTY AIR. Once spread out then cars can try to find a faster way around. Doing that requires not getting too close unless you side draft. Don't get too close...the dirty air pushes you backward, OR, you could take the air off the car ahead and get them fish tailed in the corner.

For the hundredth time, change the cars. Shed the splitter, depend on the car flaps to keep the car down, lower horsepower to slow speeds without restrictor plates. Just some of my favorite things to suggest.
 
Conover said:
Ditto on many of these. Very frustrating when cars get stretched out into single file at these large tracks within three laps of a restart...PRIMARILY because they HAVE TO DUE TO DIRTY AIR. Once spread out then cars can try to find a faster way around. Doing that requires not getting too close unless you side draft. Don't get too close...the dirty air pushes you backward, OR, you could take the air off the car ahead and get them fish tailed in the corner.

For the hundredth time, change the cars. Shed the splitter, depend on the car flaps to keep the car down, lower horsepower to slow speeds without restrictor plates. Just some of my favorite things to suggest.
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For years they had 600 HP and people thought the racing was good. Why do they need 750 HP????
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Here's a look at how MLB is handling similar issues.

https://www.techrepublic.com/articl...-fi-apps-and-ar/?bhid=6839191&ftag=TRE684d531

There's an annoying ad at the top that autostarts, but no membership required.
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A very interesting article and it underscores what many of the bright young millennials have said on this forum that the tracks must have really good WiFi if they want them to consider attending. Common areas where neighbors can hear each others dulcet tones without strain are also important

Of course none of it makes sense to me but if it did they would be targeting the wrong kind of customer as my time has come and gone as far as the demographers are concerned. A person used the term "racing lifestyle" on another thread and I have no idea what that means anymore than I do the football or Monster lifestyle and I am sure if I said you lived a "birders lifestyle" it would just make you laugh.
 
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2 Sweet said:
I don't understand the desparation for WiFi. If you have a halfway decent data plan, what's the issue? It's 2017, there is 4G available almost everywhere.
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I don't know either for the reasons that you mentioned. Hopefully someone can shed some light on it as often times my WiFi is just annoying and slower so I turn it off.
 
2 Sweet said:
I don't understand the desparation for WiFi. If you have a halfway decent data plan, what's the issue? It's 2017, there is 4G available almost everywhere.
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My experience at the race track, during the event, is basically zero data service. There are a lot of people fighting over bandwidth at those events. Temp cell towers are brought in and placed around the area to help with service but it's noticeable lacking. Posting this as a Verizon customer.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
My experience at the race track, during the event, is basically zero data service. There are a lot of people fighting over bandwidth at those events. Temp cell towers are brought in and placed around the area to help with service but it's noticeable lacking. Posting this as a Verizon customer.
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My friend that goes frequently find it easier and quicker to send text messages rather than trying to call.
 
The perspectives are interesting as I consider my phone to often times be an annoyance and interference while on the other end of the spectrum it is the lifeblood of existence. I am not anti-social but I do prefer to do my own thing most of the time free from others. I saw Howie Mandel the other might and left my phone in the car as I didn't need to hear from anyone, check on anything nor did I feel the need to share with others what I was doing and why on earth would they care anyway?
 
Conover said:
Ditto on many of these. Very frustrating when cars get stretched out into single file at these large tracks within three laps of a restart...PRIMARILY because they HAVE TO DUE TO DIRTY AIR. Once spread out then cars can try to find a faster way around. Doing that requires not getting too close unless you side draft. Don't get too close...the dirty air pushes you backward, OR, you could take the air off the car ahead and get them fish tailed in the corner.

For the hundredth time, change the cars. Shed the splitter, depend on the car flaps to keep the car down, lower horsepower to slow speeds without restrictor plates. Just some of my favorite things to suggest.
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It's funny to me because in NASCAR the talk is always about he aero and the dirty air, but in a Sprint Car race guys will steal lines and create dirty air all the time to slow the progress of the other cars. They also will reach lapped traffic within a few laps, but the fans are ok with it because the lapped traffic plays a role in the outcome. It really depends on who manages it the best. It is funny that it has such a negative affect in NASCAR, but has a positive affect in Sprint Cars. I also think that the racing is better throughout the field and guys are fully capable of coming from 15th to 3rd in 30 laps because the cars are so adjustable. In Cup you have 3 or 4 dominant guys that turns into 2 after penalties/mistakes then there are 10 others that are good and then the rest. The cars are ridiculously equal in those brackets that they cannot race with each other.
 
Skoalbandit33 said:
.. I am sure if I said you lived a "birders lifestyle" it would just make you laugh.
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Oh, that's easy to define.
  • Binoculars and a field guide in every vehicle, along with a pair on whichever windowsill overlooks the feeders.
  • Family members tired of the vehicle stopping for anything perched on a utility line, plant branch, or larger than a breadbox.
  • Browser favorites for iBird, AllAboutBirds, Audubon, GBBC. WhatBird, etc.
  • Bird seed purchased in 25lb bag, minimum.
  • Staff at Wild Birds Unlimited greet you by name.

Skoalbandit33 said:
I don't know either for the reasons that you mentioned. Hopefully someone can shed some light on it as often times my WiFi is just annoying and slower so I turn it off.
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Not to mention that using the track's WiFi doesn't use up your own bandwidth allocation for the month.

Skoalbandit33 said:
... nor did I feel the need to share with others what I was doing and why on earth would they care anyway?
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I often see people that, to me, appear to be spending more time documenting what they're doing than actually doing it. I noticed people during this summer's eclipse that appeared to spend more time taking photos and sending messages than actually looking at the totality.
 
clarkfn2284 said:
It's funny to me because in NASCAR the talk is always about he aero and the dirty air, but in a Sprint Car race guys will steal lines and create dirty air all the time to slow the progress of the other cars. They also will reach lapped traffic within a few laps, but the fans are ok with it because the lapped traffic plays a role in the outcome. It really depends on who manages it the best. It is funny that it has such a negative affect in NASCAR, but has a positive affect in Sprint Cars. I also think that the racing is better throughout the field and guys are fully capable of coming from 15th to 3rd in 30 laps because the cars are so adjustable. In Cup you have 3 or 4 dominant guys that turns into 2 after penalties/mistakes then there are 10 others that are good and then the rest. The cars are ridiculously equal in those brackets that they cannot race with each other.
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It's funny to me that it ain't so. Got to pay attention to the numbers. You got two or three guys in Sprint car racing, and if you pay any attention to other series of racing it is the same thing there.

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2 Sweet said:
I don't understand the desparation for WiFi. If you have a halfway decent data plan, what's the issue? It's 2017, there is 4G available almost everywhere.
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No lol do you see where racetracks are mostly located? Heck MIS is around literally nothing
 
Mispeedway15 said:
No lol do you see where racetracks are mostly located? Heck MIS is around literally nothing
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Exactly.. the towers aren't built to handle 80,000 people on them at once in areas like that. Plus all the other radio and internet signals interfere.
 
HP, the cars, aero, the drivers, the interpreted lack of beating and banging, venue location etc. have nothing to do with attendance or viewership decline.
Just my observations.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Oh, that's easy to define.
  • Binoculars and a field guide in every vehicle, along with a pair on whichever windowsill overlooks the feeders.
  • Family members tired of the vehicle stopping for anything perched on a utility line, plant branch, or larger than a breadbox.
  • Browser favorites for iBird, AllAboutBirds, Audubon, GBBC. WhatBird, etc.
  • Bird seed purchased in 25lb bag, minimum.
  • Staff at Wild Birds Unlimited greet you by name.

Not to mention that using the track's WiFi doesn't use up your own bandwidth allocation for the month.
I often see people that, to me, appear to be spending more time documenting what they're doing than actually doing it. I noticed people during this summer's eclipse that appeared to spend more time taking photos and sending messages than actually looking at the totality.
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I don't have binoculars but I do have a lint free cloth and lens cleaner in each vehicle, anyone that gets in my car knows it is subject to stop depending on what I see and wish to photograph, I have 2 of the apps you mentioned, I have bird seed for feeders but no one knows my name at any store except Carl at the hardware.

MRM said:
Sagging attendance could be due to the drivers and their superstar mentality.

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When I first started following Nascar you could walk up to a team member or driver and start talking and they spoke back like average Joe's. Sometime you would see them at a motel or in town depending on where you were and it was fun.

I am not saying that the racing or the drivers were better and I am not saying anyone else should have enjoyed that time period but I know a bunch of us did.
 
MRM said:
Sagging attendance could be due to the drivers and their superstar mentality.

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It could also be due to the busy schedule of sponsor responsibilities. No one has the time, any more.
For crewmen, it has to be the responsibility to get the car ready to pass inspection, or what have you. They just don't have time to chat.
 
StandOnIt said:
It's funny to me that it ain't so. Got to pay attention to the numbers. You got two or three guys in Sprint car racing, and if you pay any attention to other series of racing it is the same thing there.

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This is a very misleading statistic. On any given night in the WOO to be specific, any of those drivers listed has a legit shot at winning the main. That cannot be said for CUP. Not to mention on a nightly basis you have the local hot shoe or ringers who join the WOO that do not tour with them that give these guys a run for their money. Look at Sheldon Haudenschild on that list. He ahs 0 wins, so he is comparable to Jamie McMurray in CUP. How often do we think Jamie has a real chance? Sheldon can win on any night. You will always have all time greats like a Schatz, but I watched Schatz have to take a provisional to get into the main at Placerville because they missed the set up completely. He then proceeded to finish in the top 10 because the cars are actually adjustable and they can actually account for the track changes etc. Also, look beyond the WOO. All around the Country are divisions filled with guys who can flat out get it done and pose a threat to win.

Take away the computers a bit in CUP and let actual people figure it out as opposed to data and see how it changes. These cars are so ridiculously engineered that these guys barely have to do anything with the car.
 
TexasRaceLady said:
It could also be due to the busy schedule of sponsor responsibilities. No one has the time, any more.
For crewmen, it has to be the responsibility to get the car ready to pass inspection, or what have you. They just don't have time to chat.
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I think that tweet is such a cop out from fans who cannot read the room. I have never had a bad interaction with any of these guys, but it isn't because they are the greatest guys on the planet, it is because I am capable of reading the room and understanding that maybe after Jamie McMurray just sat and signed for 200 kids after qualifying when I think to approach him with my kid as he is walking away that it may not be a great idea to stop him and ask for a photo so that the masses can herd around him, instead you get a fist bump for you son and move on to the next opportunity. People think that these guys should stop everything that they are doing to serve the people, but forget that they are people too. When we were in Fontana the entire 1 team took my Son and Nephew into the box and got them used lugs and took photos with them. It's a matter of picking your battles and not interfering on their tasks at hand. We as fans have to remember that these guys are working as well. I think people feel like they are entitled to autographs a photos and moments of these guys' time because we buy their shirts and hats.
 
clarkfn2284 said:
This is a very misleading statistic. On any given night in the WOO to be specific, any of those drivers listed has a legit shot at winning the main. That cannot be said for CUP. Not to mention on a nightly basis you have the local hot shoe or ringers who join the WOO that do not tour with them that give these guys a run for their money. Look at Sheldon Haudenschild on that list. He ahs 0 wins, so he is comparable to Jamie McMurray in CUP. How often do we think Jamie has a real chance? Sheldon can win on any night. You will always have all time greats like a Schatz, but I watched Schatz have to take a provisional to get into the main at Placerville because they missed the set up completely. He then proceeded to finish in the top 10 because the cars are actually adjustable and they can actually account for the track changes etc. Also, look beyond the WOO. All around the Country are divisions filled with guys who can flat out get it done and pose a threat to win.

Take away the computers a bit in CUP and let actual people figure it out as opposed to data and see how it changes. These cars are so ridiculously engineered that these guys barely have to do anything with the car.
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numbers don't lie or make up fairy tails.
 
StandOnIt said:
numbers don't lie or make up fairy tails.
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The numbers are what they are but they can also be misleading if taken out of context and totality. A person could say a race had 1.3 million viewers but neglect to say that the event was rain delayed. The funniest thing is the folks that don't believe the numbers when they don't show the results they want yet in other areas they are treated like the gold standard.

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Wow, that was deep. Numbers also do not tell the whole story. We both know that. My point is no less valid to what I was applying it to.
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I know what you meant and I suspect most others did too but sometimes there are entrenched positions and agendas that prohibit seeing the whole picture.
 
clarkfn2284 said:
Wow, that was deep. Numbers also do not tell the whole story. We both know that. My point is no less valid to what I was applying it to.
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Same for the top two or three in the late models. Point being the top three usually win the lions share of races. Thinking anybody can win in racing isn't what happens most of the time. there isn't anything misleading about the math.


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Schatz, Sweet, Gravel, Pittman, Stewart, Johnson, Jac and Sheldon, Kinser, Schuhart, Marks, Sides, Madsen, Saldana, Brown, Madsen, Scelzi, Abreu, Schaffer, Hirst, Lasoski, Larson, TK, T-Mac etc. All of these guys are more then capable when they pull into the track at winning the main.

That's just 24 of them. That's a main lineup in and of itself. So yes, the racing is exponentially better throughout the field because you have guys that are fully capable of winning from 1st to 24th, some obviously have more success then others, but some only start a handful of races a year as well. What ends up happening with Sprint Cars is that while the leader may stretch out a 3.5 second lead you look back to 10th and 11th and you have Saldana and Rico sliding each other. There is always something to look at because there is always a battle. Not Almirola trying to run down Danica for 23rd only to have the tires fall off and suddenly the cars are equal to each other and dirty air is killing any run anybody has.
 
I'm with SOI on the depth of the field. No racing series is as deep and strong as Nascar. In 32 races this year, 14 different winners, and this is a typical result. Add to that, there are a handful of others who are fully capable of winning but have not won this year... the 24, the 88, the 20, the 1, 77, 19. Thin field of competitive entrants is not a Nascar problem.
 
I think the bottom line on attendance for Nascar is that is it pretty good all things considered. Will it dip a litttle lower? Probably. Will they still be good size crowds? I think so and there will still be the big races like the Daytona 500, both Talladega races and the Bristol night race that will pull really good crowds.
 
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I'm with SOI on the depth of the field. No racing series is as deep and strong as Nascar. In 32 races this year, 14 different winners, and this is a typical result. Add to that, there are a handful of others who are fully capable of winning but have not won this year... the 24, the 88, the 20, the 1, 77, 19. Thin field of competitive entrants is not a Nascar problem.
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A few of the winners this year were due to strategy or luck. In dirt racing, because the races are short and don't require pitting or strategy, pure speed wins every race. That's why 3 or 4 guys dominate on dirt, and pit stop strategy is why Newman and Dillon have wins this year in cup.
 
Larsonfan1995 said:
A few of the winners this year were due to strategy or luck. In dirt racing, because the races are short and don't require pitting or strategy, pure speed wins every race. That's why 3 or 4 guys dominate on dirt, and pit stop strategy is why Newman and Dillon have wins this year in cup.
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The number of Nascar winners are skewed for sure as between plate winners, fuel mileage winners and the cautions near the end of races that deny the likely winner things are not quite as they appear. It is the same thing with listing the number of cars finishing in the lead lap as with scheduled and unscheduled cautions, free passes and wave arounds IDK how 30 cars a race are not on the lead lap at the end.
 
formula racer said:
It's hard to pass if you can't get close.Someone mentioned Global Rallycross was the fastest growing motorsport. These cars look stock and they beat and bang and shove like old time short trackers. They maybe get up to the astounding speed of 80mph That should say something. You want 200mph? Go get a Dodge Charger SRT Hellcat or a Cadillac CTS V , You can get close to 200 at Ford Chevy or Mercedes stores.All in V8 front engine rear drive cars Toyletotas are bogus cars in Nascar .They haven't made a fast car since the front engine Supra!! Sh!t can the aero crap and go back to cars based in reality and close racing.that is exciting most every lap. Fans will return.
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The red bull rally cross is popular with college students because they are cars that they would most likely own. The races are short, intense and fun. I've seen more kids wear rally cross gear than Nascar. Also sports car racing is growing. One of the reasons is because if you want to participate in it you must also promote the series. It helps attract the average viewer.

Be cool if I can post a pic of this but might get in trouble. In 2011 7.1% of the fans were in the 13-17. In 2016 it went down to 4.3%. 2011 20.7% of fans were 18-34. last year it was 18.3. In 2011 10% of fans were 65 and over. Last year it went up to 19.8%.
 
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