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Part of me wishes they would appeal it just to watch some heads explode, but as I have said before, HMS generally does not appeal things unless they feel they have a strong case. Besides, now that NASCAR changed the rules, there is limited value in appealing ANY penalty, no matter how completely 100% wrong NASCAR could be about something. I WAS surprised to see Denny basically acknowledge that this latest penalty was pretty much a big F.U to HMS. They chose the two cars they did for a specific reason, and they were going to find SOMETHING wrong with them if it took six months. That doesn't excuse HMS for playing into their hands though.
 
It kind of reminds me of a DOT inspection. When they pull you in, they will always find something even if it has nothing to do with safety or how small of an infraction it is.
 
Nitro Dude said:
It kind of reminds me of a DOT inspection. When they pull you in, they will always find something even if it has nothing to do with safety or how small of an infraction it is.
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Been through several of those. They'll keep looking until they find something

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wi_racefan said:
Been through several of those. They'll keep looking until they find something

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Yep, the last time I was pulled in, the inspector couldn't find any problems with the hauler and there was a valid inspection sticker on the truck and trailer, but he wrote me up because I couldn't find the inspection paper for the trailer. That was the first time in my 40 years on the road that they ever asked for that paper. But they had to ticket me for something. Turns out it was stuck to the back of the truck inspection paper which he didn't ask me for.
 
Nitro Dude said:
Yep, the last time I was pulled in, the inspector couldn't find any problems with the hauler and there was a valid inspection sticker on the truck and trailer, but he wrote me up because I couldn't find the inspection paper for the trailer. That was the first time in my 40 years on the road that they ever asked for that paper. But they had to ticket me for something.
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Actually with our fleet, we usually find that if it is pretty obvious that the equipment is well maintained and the paperwork is in order, they don't hassle us too much. It may also help being a lease fleet, because they likely know that they are just screwing with the poor customer as much as the actual owner of the truck. With a fleet, your reputation definitely proceeds you. The cops and DOT guys tend to know who's running a slipshod operation.
 
Nitro Dude said:
It kind of reminds me of a DOT inspection. When they pull you in, they will always find something even if it has nothing to do with safety or how small of an infraction it is.
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I got a ticket one time because I didnt have the letters U. S. before D.O.T. for my DOT number.
 
Formerjackman said:
Actually with our fleet, we usually find that if it is pretty obvious that the equipment is well maintained and the paperwork is in order, they don't hassle us too much. It may also help being a lease fleet, because they likely know that they are just screwing with the poor customer as much as the actual owner of the truck. With a fleet, your reputation definitely proceeds you. The cops and DOT guys tend to know who's running a slipshod operation.
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I agree and that is why this was the first time I was ever pulled over for an inspection in a race car hauler. They know the race care haulers are kept in excellent shape compared to a lot of the freight trucks. But this was not a state DOT it was a Harris County Dot officer just outside of Houston that stopped me because of the $30,000 custom-made generator box on the back of the truck that the generator and air compressor for the trailer is mounted in. It also has a storage compartment to store all of the lights and fans that hang under the awning at the track. He tried to say that anything in that box made it part of the trailer and that made me over length. I informed him that there is a motorsports exemption that allows us to carry anything in the box if its sole purpose is for use at the track and not for resale. I finally convinced him to contact the Department of Transportation in Austin to clarify. They told him the same thing I did, but then he wanted a second opinion, so I had to wait for him to text one of his other DOT partners who also confirmed what I had said. So, he wrote me a $167.00 ticket because I couldn't find the trailer inspection paper even though there was a valid inspection sticker on the trailer, and the trailer had brand new tires and brakes installed 2 weeks earlier.
 
i drove a 5 ton for 25 years. i always hated going though the scales. till one day i got stopped at the top of the hill just before oxnard. they found the rubber coupler on the steering shaft was about to brake, never mined stopping again.
 
The Chain Gang didn't appeal because they got caught....and I have never heard a team admit that an inspection anomaly improved performance.

Can't believe that my boy @StandOnIt is jumping all over the apologists. Good grief. Never the Chain Gang. Never.....and then we reference the hated Denny Hamlin for validation. Laughable.
 
I love my truckers....and I am serious about that. I am the guy that gives room...and does everything I can to help out on the highway....but using DOT inspections as a justification for The Chain Gang's bull****? Come on now.....
 
Revman said:
The Chain Gang didn't appeal because they got caught....and I have never heard a team admit that an inspection anomaly improved performance.

Can't believe that my boy @StandOnIt is jumping all over the apologists. Good grief. Never the Chain Gang. Never.....and then we reference the hated Denny Hamlin for validation. Laughable.
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The Door Bumper Clear gang pretty much said what Denny said and what I am now hearing others in the NASCAR world say. Taking the two HMS cars to the R&D was nothing but a big F.U. to Hendrick for making them look bad. Not that it excuses the cars being illegal, but let's just call a spade a spade. I am also hearing that the roof thing is something that they have been doing for quite sometime and nobody seemed to care, and that others are probably doing the same thing.
 
The wiper motor / arm is mounted at the base of the windscreen, not on the roof. The slot in question is in the low pressure cowl area where the engine’s air inlet used to live.

Make of that what you will. 😇
 
aunty dive said:
The wiper motor / arm is mounted at the base of the windscreen, not on the roof. The slot in question is in the low pressure cowl area where the engine’s air inlet used to live.

Make of that what you will. 😇
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I'm not making anything out of it unless they fall on their faces at a 1.5.
 
Revman said:
I love my truckers....and I am serious about that. I am the guy that gives room...and does everything I can to help out on the highway....but using DOT inspections as a justification for The Chain Gang's bull****? Come on now.....
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Easy big boy. I was just sharing my adventure because the discussion was about inspections and wasn't using it for justification for anything. It just reminded me of when I went through said inspection. Now carry on with your mission. :D

 
StandOnIt said:
I'm not making anything out of it unless they fall on their faces at a 1.5.
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They’re chasing hundredths and thousandths, not tenths. They’ll show up at HotDogville and everywhere else with slots that match the supplied drawing and plebes like us won’t notice the difference.


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StandOnIt said:
I'm not making anything out of it unless they fall on their faces at a 1.5.
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What do you need to see in a quasi-spec series? How much do they need to lose for you to be convinced? Their drivers are pretty good...granted their cars haven't been legal....but you know, Larson is pretty quick. The likelihood of them falling on their faces is next to nil. You give MY Toyotas .05, and WE enter the chat....kind of done that already, but I digress.
 
Formerjackman said:
I am also hearing that the roof thing is something that they have been doing for quite sometime and nobody seemed to care, and that others are probably doing the same thing.
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...and that is what JGR said with the tape.....They all say the same thing when they are caught. For some reason, these are taken as statements of fact when it comes to The Chain Gang.
 
Revman said:
Then why speak now? Here's my point.
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Because you keep trying to claim some high moral ground here, and there isn't one to be had. My team cheats, your team cheats, every team cheats, bends, stretches and pushes the boundaries all the time, and once in a while they have enough "evidence" in their favor to file an appeal, and sometimes they win. That doesn't make them any better or any worse than anyone else, it's the written and unwritten rules of how the game is played, always has been, always will be. On one of the forums I visit, they are still discussing blatantly illegal modifications done to Petty cars back in the early 70's when teams only had one or two cars and they were built out of factory provided production body shells ( bodies in white).
 
Formerjackman said:
Because you keep trying to claim some high moral ground here, and there isn't one to be had. My team cheats, your team cheats, every team cheats, bends, stretches and pushes the boundaries all the time, and once in a while they have enough "evidence" in their favor to file an appeal, and sometimes they win. That doesn't make them any better or any worse than anyone else, it's the written and unwritten rules of how the game is played, always has been, always will be. On one of the forums I visit, they are still discussing blatantly illegal modifications done to Petty cars back in the early 70's when teams only had one or two cars and they were built out of factory provided production body shells ( bodies in white).
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I tend to agree. Too much HMS & Gibbs sometimes though
 
Revman said:
...and that is what JGR said with the tape.....They all say the same thing when they are caught. For some reason, these are taken as statements of fact when it comes to The Chain Gang.
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The comments I posted on the wiper modifications did not come from anyone at HMS. This stuff happens all the time, don't get all spun out about it. I have first hand experience with an illegal race car modification that was in plain sight on multiple cars for 18 race weekends until somebody decided to make a federal case out if it in week 19. If cooler heads hadn't prevailed, a starting ARCA field would have been missing about ten cars. ( back when they used to start 40).
 
Formerjackman said:
Well, when you win all the time, people pay attention to you. When's the last time a RWR or a Spire car got the rectal exam treatment?
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I’m not sure the answer. RWR & Spire has the “C-“ engine package lol, no offense to those teams.
 
StandOnIt said:
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Oh, that clears everything up. Jeffy needs to understand that just because he is Jeffy doesn't mean that what comes out of his mouth isn't complete ****. Intent has never been part of the conversation, and he knows that. You modified a part. You cannot do that. Nobody gives a **** how that happened. You cannot unload an illegal car--that is what Garage 56 is for you dumbass--period.
 
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