INDY Las Vegas

#17D500winner said:
Within seconds of seeing that crash I though someone isn't going to make it out of this.
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And whenever the course workers cover a wrecked racecar with a tarp, you already know the outcome.

I think that all of these 1.5 mile high-banked ovals should be removed from the schedule. Let them race at Phoenix (where drivers have to lift off the throttle) Michigan, Fontucky (even though Greg Moore was killed at California) and of course INDY.

Racing is a dangerous business. I think we all recognize that. But when you put drivers in positions like we saw at Vegas, where a punctured tire or a few drops of oil or a slight miscalculation by one driver, can bring about this type of carnage, it's time to re-think the process, IMO...
 
I'm just heart-broken. I don't know what else to say.

RIP Dan. You will be missed.



PS - Max Papis must have had someone from inside the meeting keeping him updated since he tweeted he would miss Dan every day of his life, quite a bit before anything was announced on TV. :(
 
WNY24Fan said:
PS - Max Papis must have had someone from inside the meeting keeping him updated since he tweeted he would miss Dan every day of his life, quite a bit before anything was announced on TV. :(
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I noticed that yesturday about 15 minutes before they even made the announcement he already was saying how he is gonna miss Wheldon
 
StewartHaas-Gibbs Racing said:
Also i dont think it would happen but it would be a very nice thing if go daddy and the other sponsers gave the 2.5 million dan could have won and put it in a trust fund or something for his two young children, or something for their future schooling/college funds.
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My wife said the exacxt same thing.
 
I also saw that James Hinchcliffe said this "'ll think about Dan every time I'm fortunate enough to sit in the car he helped develop. I'd love to see Dallara name the chassis DW 001"

I hope they do decide to do that. It would be a really nice thing to do in his honor.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
NBC Sports Network's Darren Rovell disagrees with everyone. He said the crash didn't look that bad, that the cars are safe citing that Jimmie Johnson survived a crash Saturday night because of the HANS device and that there weren't too many cars on the track because NASCAR starts 43 cars. That was his wonderful analysis on MSNBC News.
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Well then he's an idiot. It was just like this crash with Geoff Bodine. Thankfully he survived.

 
Stewart Fan said:
Well then he's an idiot. It was just like this crash with Geoff Bodine. Thankfully he survived.
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And that was in the days before the HANS device and SAFER barriers. Geoff was very fortunate - and from his hospital bed he told everyone to look at his race seat. I can't remember if it was a La Joie seat or what, but it was way ahead of it's time - and it saved Geoff's life. Plus, he had a roof over his head. That made a big difference as well.
 
Another example of an INDY racecar hitting the catch fence ****pit first can be seen in the footage of Jeff Krosnoff's fatal crach at the 1996 Molson GP in Toronto - which also took the life of a corner worker.

Wrecks like these are why Ashley Judd was so happy to see Mr. Judd in a stock car. Maybe he will give that another go...
 
wilson89 said:
I have heard various reports today saying Kanaan, Franchitti, Tracy, Hamilton and Scheckter are all contemplating retirment from Indycars after yesturday.
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http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/17/sport/racing-wheldon/?hpt=wo_t5

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TK:https://twitter.com/#!/tonykanaan

Can't sleep....... Impossível dormir..

Thanks for all the messages, it has been one of the most difficult days of my carrier, you guys are the reason the we still do this.

Sorry to all my Australian fans but due to the circumstances I've decided not to do the Surfers V8 race.

Sem dormir um minuto essa noite ainda nao acredito no que aconteceu. Hora de voltar pra casa e encarar a realidade.

Just got home, reality is hitting hard right now.

Acabei de chegar me casa. Hora de encarar a realidade de novo. Ta complicado.
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Ashley Judd: https://twitter.com/#!/AshleyJudd

Every arrival @IMS is a thrill. Gates indicate entry into land of legend. Fan memorial to Dan @ gate 1 is touching. http://lockerz.com/s/147874209

@hollywheldon Believe it or not - I want a tattoo, too. In honor of DW & SW, the ones they got. Love you, girl. Take good care.

@preferrex @daytona Def a reasonable Q. Going forward, exchange of new ideas is crucial. As we've seen, lives depend on it.
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Preferex (in regards to Ashley's reply:)

@AshleyJudd i agree. Our sports need a common platform to exchange safety ideas together along with automotive manufactures & engineers

@AshleyJudd why cant indycars put in innerloops & chicanes on the ovals like Rolex does @Daytona? def slow them down and spread them out
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Dario:

RT @JennaFryer: Lay off @JimmieJohnson, folks. He said same thing many others are saying, and he said it from a place of genuine concern.

Rest in peace Danny boy, we'll miss you my friend. Everyone please keep the wheldon family in you thoughts and prayers.
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Paul Tracy: https://twitter.com/#!/paultracy3

@JimmieJohnson right now indycars and nascars get caught in the fence and it rips the cars apart , if it could slide along it would

@JimmieJohnson I think there needs to be a clear ballistic plexi sheet on the fence to stop cars getting tangled up in it

Going for a bike ride got to try and clear my head ...

@TonyKanaan remember the good times , partying with dan in tokyo , I was hammered lockerz.com/s/147851026

Sadness turning to anger now , indycar needs to put the 5mil in a trust for dans kids !!!!
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Tomas Scheckter: https://twitter.com/#!/tomasscheckter

Don't worry I am not going anywhere. I don't quit and I don't walk away. I do fight back for what I believe in. #timetobeheard

Things are going to change. I won't forget what I saw. I won't sit down and wait till it happens again.

@nipped I known dan since I was 16. I had a poster of him in a go kart in my room when I was 12 yrs old in SA. God should have taken me.

Lay in a dark room hope I wake up from the nightmare. This is not fair and not right it can't be true

@indycarman it was disrespectful. Unfortunately we risk our lives for you guys the least we want some say in the rules.

Time for drivers to get together and start working as union. We need a voice before the voices we love to hear are not around anymore.

Walked past something I pray never to see again.

Leaving track don't want to hear news see enough
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Jimmie Johnson: https://twitter.com/#!/JimmieJohnson

that's good to know, thanks. “@jim_utter: @JimmieJohnson Was clear to those who were there”

@paultracy3 that fence is so nasty... It shreds cars apart.

It's only because I care... I'm a huge fan of open wheel racing and all things racing.

I hate some of you don't understand my opinion of Indy Cars not running on ovals... I don't want to see my friends hurt or another tragedy.

My thoughts and prayers go out to the Wheldon family... My heart hurts for all of the IRL community.
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Jimmies idea is interesting but I can't imagine the costs for something like that would be cheap nor do I know enough about it to know if it would actually work or not.
 
I didn't know until just now but for anyone who wants to see it the 2011 Indy 500 is on they showed the 2005 one before this but I missed it.
 
#17D500winner said:
I remember that clip but afterwards thought that it may have been Power but there's no doubt that there's onboard footage. I had my attention diveded between the TV and here so I may have missed something.
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Yes it was was the 12 car. Rewatched it this morning.
 
WNY24Fan said:
PS - Max Papis must have had someone from inside the meeting keeping him updated since he tweeted he would miss Dan every day of his life, quite a bit before anything was announced on TV. :(
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Actualy now that I think about it Papis was likely in attendance (Trucks ran at Vegas the day before) during the race and may have went to the hospital.
 
StewartHaas-Gibbs Racing said:
Jimmies idea is interesting but I can't imagine the costs for something like that would be cheap nor do I know enough about it to know if it would actually work or not.
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Yeah that be hard and expensive almost to the point you could make a tube of it over the track and ta-da we can race in the rain in clear plexi glss tunnels. But seriously it doesn't seem like a logical option, I have to wonder if they still raced with no catch fences how far outside the track would some of those cars landed.
 
kkfan91 said:
Yeah that be hard and expensive almost to the point you could make a tube of it over the track and ta-da we can race in the rain in clear plexi glss tunnels. But seriously it doesn't seem like a logical option, I have to wonder if they still raced with no catch fences how far outside the track would some of those cars landed.
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Wheldon would have become space junk probably....
 
nasty discussion at this link: http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/showthread.php?t=419892&page=6

Photos:

Notice his helmet:

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I didn't catch the tire hitting him in the head until you posted that picture but in the replay I see the tire now. If it wasn't for the tire then maybe he would have been ok? I'm not sure.
 
More twitter.

https://twitter.com/#!/tonykanaan

@tomasscheckter I'm home bro and did not get any better.

RT JamieLittleESPN There will be a public memorial service for Dan Wheldon at 4 pm Sunday at Conseco Fieldhouse in Indianapolis. @IndyCar

@BHA @dariofranchitti @danwheldon that was the best part....

@hollywheldon I love that. I hope to give you a bug hug on Friday my dear.

Here is the tattoo that I got done on my right wrist. DW will always be apart of me.

@brunolaurence obrigado Brunao, abs

@flaviojoseTRI valeu. abs

Indy 2011 great night, our last dinner together. @dariofranchitti @bha @danwheldon. Indy 2011 nosso ultimo jantar.

@luizandreoli muitobrigado Luiz, um beijao.

@andreolifelipe valeu irmao. abraçao.

@ghcruz @rubarrichello muito obrigado pela ajuda

@ebernoldi parabens fio...tudo de bom.

@lancearmstrong Hey my friend we are doing an action on behalf of Dan Wheldon's family if you want to donate something would be cool

@JPdeOliveira eeeooooeeeooooo. vc me conhece ne mano, saudades velhao

@rubarrichello blz. te aviso.

@cmtesergio pode apertar.

@rubarrichello mas ja parei de brigar senao tu vai brigar comigo. hahahahaha

@rubarrichello hahahaha, mano saudades de vc. Babaca fazendo piada de mal gosto. Saudades velhao

Deletou todos agora, esse e macho...como ele mesmo disse hmmmmmmm. @rafaelsarda

@Luizquake2 Manuellllldonnnn....

@Luizquake2 Levando Ze, um dia apos o outro.

E agroa deletou o que escreveu.... Covarde

Ja vou avisar se vier espertinho fazendo piada de mau gosto pelo que aconteceu com o Dan vou bloquear.Nao e mesmo seu @rafaelSarda.

@Shanda750 Awwww, thank you. give her a big hug from me

@RafaelSarda E nao me siga mesmo nao preciso de seguidores como vc.

@RafaelSarda espero q vc nunca perca alguem perto de vc pra nao fazer brincadeiras d mau gosto.

@fllavitt eu tb muitaaaaaa....

@RafaelSarda nao entendi a sua piada. Algum problema?

@Lisboa_Leo Valeu Leo. abs.

@AntonioPizzonia te vejo amanha mano. Vai ser bom ter vc por perto...
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https://twitter.com/#!/rubarrichello

@ghcruz @TonyKanaan que legal...muito obrigado pela ajuda

@TonyKanaan deixa ele ver o tamanho do teu bracinho...hehehe...relaxa mano.tem nego q só quer isso mesmo:briga.qdo chegar aqui da um toque

Will always remember the great times we had at karting in Brazil my friend. Rest in peace #DanWheldon

Just got out from the plane and got the terrible news about the death of our friend #DanWheldon ...

@TonyKanaan forca ai mano. Que coisa mais terrivel...o q puder fazer pela família me fale. Bjao
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https://twitter.com/#!/AshleyJudd

@iheartxo Love Rumi, had Guesthouse everywhere while I was in Europe, helped me cope w/ home sickness & missing @dariofranchitti

Friends, There will be a public memorial service for Dan Wheldon at 4 pm Sun, Conseco Fieldhouse in Indianapolis. A time to come together.

"This support brings so much healing and shelter...During times of suffering, the shelter of belonging calms us."

@flashinmuskoka @indycar For me, this hits the nail on the head. Completely agree.

I appreciate @IndyCar canceling my husband's test at Las Vegas track. The new car needs development - but not now, and never again there.

Perhaps I'm learning something I've learned before; I must need to know it more deeply. I embrace it as part of a longterm healing process.

@NadineMetalcore We are dealing with grief and I am not chatting. Please respect this time of mourning.

Sorrow makes us all children again It destroys all differences of intellect. In those moments, the wisest know nothing. (approx) Emmerson

@qwertying This is one of my favorites, have always thought I'd want it read by my loved ones. Thanks for the reminder.

Death is no more than passing from one room into another. But there's a difference for me, because in that other room I shall be able to see

This Helen Keller quote about dying touched me deeply. It addresses that each of us, in death, is restored to perfect, complete wholeness.
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https://twitter.com/#!/paultracy3

#IndyCar Paul Tracy hopes that Dan Wheldon's death acts as spur for IndyCar chiefs to help http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/95492 via @autosportnews
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https://twitter.com/#!/tomasscheckter

@TonyKanaan :(

Just want to get home.
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https://twitter.com/#!/JimmieJohnson

Dan Wheldon Family Trust Fund, Fifth Third Private Bank, 251 North Illinois St., Suite 1000, Indianapolis, IN 46204

RT @dustinlong: #NASCAR .. #IndyCar will hold a public memorial service for Dan Wheldon at 4 pm Sunday at Conseco Fieldhouse in Indianapolis

@GrahamRahal please count me in for the auction too.

@tagliani @TonyKanaan we need to get together @dariofranchitti @scottdixon9 @h3lio @12WillPower @MarcoAndretti @RyanHunterReay push drastic changes

that's good to know, thanks. “@jim_utter: @JimmieJohnson Was clear to those who were there”
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https://twitter.com/#!/h3lio

@RyanBriscoe6 @marshallpruett @tagliani :hehehe very funny boys!

On my way to Australia with @RyanBriscoe6 @tagliani ! A caminho da Australia!

@alvarocordoba @maricordoba @f1_liuzzi :thank you so much for this,that is where everything started btw me and Adry and Dan was there.

@h3lio how about urging your friends/fans to visit www.facebook.com/Dallara.DW01? Let's honor Dan like a true champion!

@judgealexferrer :thank you judge Alex, we can only pray for his family to easy down the pain.

Morning Everyone, difficult to say good at this point. Dificil dizer bom dia no momento.
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https://twitter.com/#!/12WillPower

Can't sleep again....still can't believe what happened

@paultracy3 @JimmieJohnson I think there needs 2 b clear ballistic plexi sheet on fence 2 stop cars getting tangled in it <- I like the idea

Things are going to change. I won't forget what I saw. I won't sit down and wait till it happens again.

Such a sad day... to lose a champion like Dan Wheldon...my thoughts and prayers are with Susie and his kids
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https://twitter.com/#!/MarcoAndretti

#LionHeart

Heading to the gym. Frustrated. #RIPDW.

Miss you a lot today teammate.

Had trouble sleeping. Thankful for friends and family ! Stay in touch with what is important in life! Heading home to PA.

I looked up to you both as a racing driver and a person/friend. You will be forever missed. RIP Dan Wheldon.
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https://twitter.com/#!/scottdixon9

Ahh Micky Ds filled the spot tonight. Gonna try and get some sleep. Hope everyones doing ok. Oh and it was Poppys turn to poo, on the plane

Was nice to get home and see the girls. Fed Tilly then she did a nice big poo! Just jumping on the plane to St Pete.

Wow it's cold in Indy. Gonna pop up and see Michael Wanser. Flying around 4pm with the fam to St Pete

Finally getn out of Vegas. Just wanted everyone to remember Dan loved nothing more than his Family and IndyCar. Lets have positive thoughts

Spoke with @RBINDYCAR -a trust is being established in honor of Dan to help with wife and kids. Check http://www.danwheldonmemorial.com/ Wed/Thu for info.

Heading home tonight to grab the girls. Then down to St Pete to see Danny boys lovely family. Safe travels everyone

My dearest friend Danny boy. Thank you for everything! Your an amazing driver and man. I will miss you so badly. Luv ya mate
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https://twitter.com/#!/RyanHunterReay

Testing this week in the 2012 car has been cancelled. Headed home with a heavy heart. Not a minute goes by I'm not thinking of him. #RIPDW

@paultracy3 @JimmieJohnson I think there needs 2 b clear ballistic plexi sheet on fence 2 stop cars getting tangled in it <- I like the idea

2010 Indy500. 2012 @IndyCar teammates to be. Was really looking forward to working with DW, the legend

@indycar There is a special website created for Dan danwheldonmemorial.com . I would like to thank GoDaddy for all their help with it.

Devastated. Lost for words. Dan was a true champion in so so many ways. He was a huge part of our sport. I'm praying for his family.........
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https://twitter.com/#!/tagliani

@HoldenMsport thx it will be nice to be on track again and hopefully in memory of Dan.

There is a bar in the plane crazy @h3lio @RyanBriscoe6 glad that @marshallpruett is with us.

@RyanHunterReay we take a lot of downforce off and make tough to go flat, change the body front nose and side wheel protection just for oval

@TonyKanaan we need to get together @dariofranchitti @scottdixon9 @h3lio @12WillPower @MarcoAndretti @RyanHunterReay push drastic changes

Thx to all the great support towards Dan, we need to learn, Improve and make drastic changes to our cars, for safety. No holding back.

@Pyrollamas we were all packed

@Pyrollamas no I was not as soon as we heard the guys packed up and withdraw my car from the race, when decision ws made to do 5laps

@AdrianF007 it's crazy. i can't sleep. can't stop thinking enjoy time with family, it was nice to see

“@paultracy3: Sadness turning to anger now , indycar needs to put the 5mil in a trust for dans kids !!!!” not a bad idea!

Pour envoyer toutes vos pensées a Suzie et aux enfants de Dan. Merci a tous

J'apprécie énormément toutes vos pensez, vos mots d'encouragement, c'est vraiment un jour triste. Mais SVP prenez 30 sec

I will miss him very much. Suzy I sending you my deepest love to you and the kids

It's a very sad day. He was my little brother from another mother he was so happy to show me is new Tattoo from last night SW on wrist
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https://twitter.com/#!/GrahamRahal

@C_Bear1979 @maxpapis holding you to that!

@Samantha_Busch thanks! I will have @BMarksTopSpeed send you the address. Thanks @KyleBusch

@inaniscta @KingJames it would be great as a fellow Ohioan if we could get something from Lebron for our auction!

@ShY_GrL_n_SoCal @Samantha_Busch were working on Kyle now!

@kylelewis1 your girl @simdesilvestro is donating a suit, get ready to spend some bucks!

Dont spend all your money just yet though! I will let everyone know what were thinking about the auction timing tomorrow.

@NickyHayden69 will you donate something for my auction to benefit Dan's family trust? Let me know.

@jpsorrentino @jpmontoya yes JPM is in with a helmet! Thanks Juan!

For those wanting to keep up to date, it would be better to "like" me on facebook. I can give you more than 140 characters there!

@simdesilvestro deal! Send me a DM with what you want to donate

I appreciate everyones support. The response is out of this world. I will put out a press release soon on the items we already have.

Thanks to @RACERmag and @AutoweekUSA for donating 2 year subscriptions to the auction!

@AaronJRichmond @JensonButton @LewisHamilton that would be great. I had just emailed a friend about contacting Jenson and Lewis!

“@JimmieJohnson: @GrahamRahal please count me in for the auction too.” Thanks Jimmie!

There will be auction items for all incomes. I also hope it will be open for bidding worldwide as there are worldwide items coming in!

Jerseys, sports memorabilia, helmets gloves shoes from all types of racing drivers etc. I didn't expect this type of reaction. Thank you all

Auction will not be up tomorrow or even this week i think. Response is amazing. We have things ranging from magazines, driving schools...

Now @TonyKanaan has confirmed too. Looking forward to this.

Ok. Since I've landed @dariofranchitti @MarcoAndretti @BernsteinB and more have joined. This is going to be great! #AllforTheWheldons

@tferrell5 can't, it was an insurance policy, not money we can just pull out.

Everyone please stay patient. Working with @IndyCar to make sure we are maximizing the auction for the family fund. Keep you updated!

Thanks for all the responses on here. Im on the plane, but working hard here. Weve had tremendous response. Now organizing everything.

@PippaMann cool thanks. I'll be in touch. Makin a list of all the drivers from around the world that are in thus far.

My dad @rwrrahal has only one of his original race helmets left in his collection, but he's going to put it up for auction!

“@JustinWilson22: Im in! I have my 20111 Indy 500 helmet that I was going to keep but this is a much better idea.” perfect. I'll be in touch

Sounds like the new car will be named after Dan thanks to his efforts in developing it. @AutoweekRacing

Talked to @RBINDYCAR last night and were going to make this happen and make Dan proud.

Morning everyone. Headed to the airport. Going home now. Once I get there I will get all drivers who want to take part and make it happen.

@ScottSwanWTHR will be flying all day.

Night everyone. We will update you tomorrow on where we are with the fundraiser and the auctions. Thanks to everyone for their support.

“@Lugz13: -ur gonna getting millions of tweets but we wanted to show our support.. this is the reason we named our son after u” thank you!

“@maxpapis: @GrahamRahal i' m in call me tomorrow i will give a helmet firesuite gloves and shoes” awesome. Thanks Maxi!

I am going to work with @GoDaddy @IndyCar to try and get the auctions up on Dans memorial website. Therefore all profits go to the Wheldons.

Talking to other drivers about joining in. Racing is a huge community. We will raise some dollars here.

It will be probably wednesday when I get it up. Need to get back to Indy, get proper pics and get it up. Stay tuned.

For those who cannot bid on the helmet, I will also put up my gloves and shoes from the race to bid on for Dan's boys.

To get everyone ready here are 2 pics of the helmet. I will give everyone the ebay link. http://twitpic.com/71z0lq

I hope everyone will RT the link and everything when we get it up in the next 2 days. Lets bid big people!

I will give you guys more updates later this week. I will keep everyone up to date on when the voting will begin.

Ok everyone. I am going to auction off my Las Vegas helmet, proceeds going to the Wheldon boys trust fund. I hope everyone will take part.

Getting ready for dinner on the strip. Not sure where to go really. As it is with everyone just lots of things running through my head.

I'm told a fund will be started for his kids. Will keep you all updated on that.

Had a great day with the Schmidt Foundation raising money. Of course Danny boy is in all of our thoughts here.

Up early for the Sam Schmidt golf outing. Hoping to raise some money today, and hoping the money goes to Dans family.

Dan Wheldon remembered by @IMS fans at Gate 1.

“@paultracy3: Sadness turning to anger now , indycar needs to put the 5mil in a trust for dans kids !!!!” not a bad idea!

Sitting out at prime in bellagio and going to O tonight by cirque du soleil but can't stop thinking of Dan's family.

Thanks for all the tweets everyone. Let's never forget that great smile, and incredible personality that Dan brought to our sport. RIP Dan

You are all correct. Motorsports as a whole is a huge family. Fans included of course.

We never like to see any family member down, injured or anything and today we lost one of the greatest members of our family.

What people should know is the entire @indycar field is a big family. The team members, drivers, officials etc. It's one big family.

Just can't stop thinking about Susie and the kids. Life just isn't fair some times.

For those wondering I was not the @SC_Racing car in the crash. Don't know if there was some confusion or not.

Still can't believe this has happened. RIP Dan. We all will miss you dearly.

My heart goes out to the Wheldon family. Dan was an incredible champion, a great friend, great guy, and someone to look up to.
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https://twitter.com/#!/JustinWilson22

For those interested... Versus will air the memorial service of Dan Wheldon from 4pm-5pm ET, LIVE on Sunday, 10/23.

@lindythackston The length of time you've know Dan really dosent matter. He had the same effect on everyone wether it was 5mins or 33yrs

@GrahamRahal @RBINDYCAR Im in! I have my 20111 Indy 500 helmet that I was going to keep but this is a much better idea.

Managed to get on a flight home this morning. Thanks to @ilovedads for letting me skip today's appearance.

Still thinking of yesterday's events. Take heart from the fact Dan is trending world wide. Everybody he meet loved him. Life is so unfair

Just don't know what to say. So many thought that are mixed up right now. Dan is one of the Indycar greats. Thoughts with his family
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https://twitter.com/#!/maxpapis

Dan Wheldon Family Trust Fund, Fifth Third Private Bank, 251 North Illinois St., Suite 1000, Indianapolis, IN 46204

@JennaFryer @GrahamRahal we r working on it together I know it is a small thing but better than anything

RT @matteovecchi: Just spoke with my brother who works for Dallara had great news that the 2012 car will be named in memory of @danwheldon

@GrahamRahal i' m in call me tomorrow i will give a helmet firesuite gloves and shoes

@llama_king never wanted to insult nobody just tired of nonsense , problem is the 90 % the way they race and 10 % cars

That is it for BAR experst talk let'ss all just give a prayer for Susy and the kids and God Bless

@MattEmbury have u ever had your ass on a indycar ?

“@llama_king: @maxpapis I believe you're also forgetting that the 2012 Indycar model would have prevent an accident .WROnG as well

“@MattEmbury: @maxpapis 20 mph speed difference is just a cause for massive disasters, WRONG

So there will be oval driving amd not flat out and more differentiation between speeds of cars accidents happen when cars run same speeds

RT@ChristopheTaitt:its their they shouldnt race on 1.5 oval tracks or slow them down” No slow down they need more power and different DF

I agree with u @JimmieJohnson if indycar can't find another a way on 1.5 ovals they should not race even if we raced safely in CART days

Just had a good call my my Bro Alex Zanardi we r always on same page and adress

RT @Angie_Harmon: RT @USATODAYlife: Ashley Judd remembers Dan Wheldon with poetry

here in my office reading I can't sleep feel sad and upset at same time @paultracy3 I agree 5 mil to trust fund for DW kids at least that

Robin Miller just explained why indycar need to change the oval racing style and was on the money in all his comments @SPEED

Here thinking of all my indycar friends , I never though we would have gone trough again this after Greg ...let's learn out of it
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Just reposting this from the Justin Wilson tweet in your post in case everyone didn't read all those.

"For those interested... Versus will air the memorial service of Dan Wheldon from 4pm-5pm ET, LIVE on Sunday, 10/23."
 
I just visited the IZOD Series site to see how they handled point distribution from the Las Vegas race. I never heard a declaration of a Race Winner, although Dario was confirmed as Series Champion.

What I found was interesting. No race results, no points awarded. It's as if the race never happend. Oh, if that were only true...

http://www.indycar.com/schedule/standings/
 
robbybee said:
I just visited the IZOD Series site to see how they handled point distribution from the Las Vegas race. I never heard a declaration of a Race Winner, although Dario was confirmed as Series Champion.

What I found was interesting. No race results, no points awarded. It's as if the race never happend. Oh, if that were only true...

http://www.indycar.com/schedule/standings/
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Yeah I have the Speed app on my phone and when I go under results and click vegas it just comes up blank, which make sense it was abandoned, so I assume like a baseball game that since it wasn't official it never existed for statistical purposes. Real life purposes though it clearly did
 
They only made it to 12 laps anyway, far too little to really have any official race results from.
 
Did y'all see Wind Tunnel last Sunday? (I watched the Monday replay) Dave Despain had Mario Andretti and Robin Miller on together and they discussed the state of IndyCar Racing, ovals, danger, etc. It was really quite enlightening.

I really liked what Mario had to say. Basically, he said that his answer to the pack racing phenomenon would be to give the cars MORE power and in so doing, the drivers who had the better handling cars would separate themselves from the field and reduce the danger.

I was surprised to hear him say that he was OK with racing at tracks like Texas and Vegas, as long as the cars were not all running at the same speed and flat out for the whole race. Force them to lift off of the throttle entering the turns!

That could be applied to NASCAR and the Plate Racing debacle as well.

Thanks, Dave!
 
robbybee said:
Did y'all see Wind Tunnel last Sunday? (I watched the Monday replay) Dave Despain had Mario Andretti and Robin Miller on together and they discussed the state of IndyCar Racing, ovals, danger, etc. It was really quite enlightening.

I really liked what Mario had to say. Basically, he said that his answer to the pack racing phenomenon would be to give the cars MORE power and in so doing, the drivers who had the better handling cars would separate themselves from the field and reduce the danger.

I was surprised to hear him say that he was OK with racing at tracks like Texas and Vegas, as long as the cars were not all running at the same speed and flat out for the whole race. Force them to lift off of the throttle entering the turns!

That could be applied to NASCAR and the Plate Racing debacle as well.

Thanks, Dave!
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Gosh it is bad when a simple poster like me, isn't satisfied with Mario's reasoning.


But, from what I have seen there is drivers threshold that would disqualify Mario's solution. In 2001 the Cart drivers were passing out during the Texas pre race practice.
Sustained G Forces of 5G with averages at 230 plus had 21 of 25 drivers complaining of dizziness and disorientation.


They cancelled the race.



Maybe Mario has more in mind, I would think retarding the handling would have a counterbalancing component. Because except for the almost flat tracks like Indy they will push the constant Gs.
 
Greg said:
But, from what I have seen there is drivers threshold that would disqualify Mario's solution. In 2001 the Cart drivers were passing out during the Texas pre race practice.
Sustained G Forces of 5G with averages at 230 plus had 21 of 25 drivers complaining of dizziness and disorientation. They cancelled the race.
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YEP! The Champ Car Guys were blacking out entering Turn One. But, Texas is unique in that there is a fairly steep incline transitioning from the frontstretch dogleg into Turn One. Vegas does not have the severe transition that Texas Motor Speedway has.

I still don't think that those cars can safely run on a high-banked 1.5 miler, no matter what Mario says.
 
I'm at the track right now and you can still see the carnage it did to the track and fence. But the Petty school is making laps. There are a lot of race haulers staying in here tonight because we can't park across the street at the dragstrip until 10:00 tomorrow morning. I think I will have a cold one in Dans honor. "May he rest in peace."
 
Greg said:
Gosh it is bad when a simple poster like me, isn't satisfied with Mario's reasoning.


But, from what I have seen there is drivers threshold that would disqualify Mario's solution. In 2001 the Cart drivers were passing out during the Texas pre race practice.
Sustained G Forces of 5G with averages at 230 plus had 21 of 25 drivers complaining of dizziness and disorientation.


They cancelled the race.



Maybe Mario has more in mind, I would think retarding the handling would have a counterbalancing component. Because except for the almost flat tracks like Indy they will push the constant Gs.
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Another way to force them to lift in the corners is take away down force or narrow up the tires.
 
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