Interest builds around possible changes to NASCAR schedule

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This is very cool Atlanta is going to be getting a revival of sorts, not to long ago we thought they could be on the extinction list. If they get this development of hotels, casino, amusement park and restaurants around the track I really think they'd have a shot of hosting the final race if in fact NASCAR ever did decide to rotate the championship race every year. Good for Atlanta, they adapted unlike my home of Chicagoland (the track is also 40 min from the Loop downtown which this article states Hampton is 40 min from Atlanta. Go figure), I hope they go back to the original configuration.
 

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I am lost anymore on what this series wants to be, and what its fans truly want.
That's easy, the series wants to be what the fans want with a reasonable cost and the fans want what ever they don't currently have.
I was in a bar years ago watching a race on TV. Man next to me was complaining how small your carry in can be. I asked him what track he went to. His answer was "Oh I just watch the races on TV". Can someone explain why the size of the carry in matters?
 

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lol. come on man. We are talking weight.

It won't just be weight (IF that is allowed to happen). For one thing, they are going to have to figure out the cooling package, or you are going to see a lot of overheated cars. I seriously doubt NASCAR would allow them to use them roll up screens to catch and dump the dirt out like we could in ARCA. I can't speak for Bristol, but on those dirt miles, horsepower was almost a disadvantage with this type of car. We sat on the pole in 2000 at Springfield and were probably down a good 50-75 HP over the big guys.
 

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There is no such thing as too much power.

Anywhere.

I mean, there is in a way, but that's supposed to be the whole point. Give them more than they can keep to the ground, and figure out who uses it most judiciously.
 

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Smith said Atlanta “probably still will be a mile and a half,” but is hinting that an upcoming repave also would include the “reprofiling” of its layout after vetting some proposed changes with iRacing (which also was done with Fontana and a similar type of modeling occurred with Homestead in 2003).

Regardless of the entertainment complex, it does sound like they want to go back to something resembling Homestead/old Atlanta, which is fine by me.

I hope they run the full circuit at COTA too.
 

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I'd hold off building a casino or amusement park until I could see more about life post-COVID. Just me.
Oh sure of course you're not wrong, I feel the same. But supposedly they are getting the second date because of these improvements around the track itself. Bold strategy and big gamble I'd say, no one knows what life is going to be like a year from now.
 

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Regardless of the entertainment complex, it does sound like they want to go back to something resembling Homestead/old Atlanta, which is fine by me.

I hope they run the full circuit at COTA too.
I hope they go back to the original Atlanta layout, I actually enjoy both the way they have been but I thought the racing was slightly better on the old lay out.
 

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ah my wife just sent me this earlier today. Huge bummer, this is the local paper her parents get they live real close to the track. Way back when in the mid 2000's we had a neighbor that was high up in one of the local companies that was a sponsor of the Cup race at Chicagoland and the news was Chicagoland was supposed to get a second race....( Chase Night race), grandstands were going to be built on the back stretch/ Turn 4 and where the warehouses/gastations are going up it was supposed to be hotels for people to stay, restaurants, shopping and smaller non Truck Gas stations. To go from visions of that to this, this stinks. But oh well such is life, thats why I am a bit excited but sort of Jealous of Atlanta for getting a new lease on life. Hope they crush it with this second chance.
 

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I mean, there is in a way, but that's supposed to be the whole point. Give them more than they can keep to the ground, and figure out who uses it most judiciously.
Change cam timing and kill some bottom end.
 

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That's easy, the series wants to be what the fans want with a reasonable cost and the fans want what ever they don't currently have.
I was in a bar years ago watching a race on TV. Man next to me was complaining how small your carry in can be. I asked him what track he went to. His answer was "Oh I just watch the races on TV". Can someone explain why the size of the carry in matters?

Who are the fans? Where do I find them? I just don't know anymore.
 

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Marcus Smith says Atlanta will be repaved and "reprofiled" in the near future. A return to the original config??
Proof there is a God. Other than a handful of exciting finishes , that track has produced 90% boring
cruise control laps. Looking forward to see what they come up with. Hope they keep the Truck / Xfinity
double header. That's a good ticket. Trucks especially seem to put on a better show.
 

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There is no such thing as too much power.

Anywhere.


I remember watching Darrell Waltrip match Dale Earnhardt's lap times at Martinsville on seven cylinders one year. Darrell had an easy top three going until the engine finally laid down completely. What does traction control do? Apply the brake and reduce horsepower......
 

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I remember watching Darrell Waltrip match Dale Earnhardt's lap times at Martinsville on seven cylinders one year. Darrell had an easy top three going until the engine finally laid down completely. What does traction control do? Apply the brake and reduce horsepower......
Your confirmation bias slip is showing. Among the approx 1800 Cup races run since 1970 are you able to point to other startling examples of this phenomonon?

“Traction control“ does not apply brake 3/4 of the way down the back straight at Michigan ... or anywhere else.
 

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I think Loosing the oval brickyard is a tough thing for some fans for various reasons... that race made a statement back in the 90s... going into Indianapolis on those grounds people were originally speculating that “no one would care” for stock cars in such a place like Indy... it was a proud moment when just as many fans turned out for those brickyard races as there would be for the Indy 500...

it was a milestone moment. The energy at those early brickyard 400s was truly unreal... my first race was at the 3rd one ran in 96 and goodness it was electrifying.

much different than what the fan experience would turn into later, with lack of fans and such...

It is what it is, I think everyone understands when business changes... sometimes changes have to get made to adjust.

I think many hold that indy race in a special spot because at one time it truly was a great experience when that event rolled around. Sad to see what it became
I feel this.

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It won't just be weight (IF that is allowed to happen). For one thing, they are going to have to figure out the cooling package, or you are going to see a lot of overheated cars. I seriously doubt NASCAR would allow them to use them roll up screens to catch and dump the dirt out like we could in ARCA. I can't speak for Bristol, but on those dirt miles, horsepower was almost a disadvantage with this type of car. We sat on the pole in 2000 at Springfield and were probably down a good 50-75 HP over the big guys.
You argue just to argue. You were talking about costs savings being wasted like they were gonna have to spend a ton of money to modify one of these cars to dirt and thats a load of hog wash
 

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I like road courses as a challenge to driving ability. A couple on the schedule does just that. The number we are looking at now necessitates a car that is designed for such endeavors IMO (Next Gen coming), and a conversation about just what this series is. Starting to feel a bit Trans Amie especially with street courses in the not too distant future....Having said that the Trans Ams were never on my dirt to my knowledge. So again, just what is this series trying to be?
 

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^ There not really sure yet. :biggrin:

I would agree....I liked the direction of road courses and car dynamics that were more agreeable to that type of track, but I am bewildered how dirt fits into this. Maybe Bristol is a one off to add spice to the Gen 7 farewell tour?
 

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I like road courses as a challenge to driving ability. A couple on the schedule does just that. The number we are looking at now necessitates a car that is designed for such endeavors IMO (Next Gen coming), and a conversation about just what this series is. Starting to feel a bit Trans Amie especially with street courses in the not too distant future....Having said that the Trans Ams were never on my dirt to my knowledge. So again, just what is this series trying to be?
Making mountains out of mole hills is what this place does. Every version of a Nascar has been versatile and able to race on many different track sizes, surfaces and configurations over the years. What's the difference if there are two or four road courses, 4 or 12 1.5's? It's about whatever combination interests the most fans THAT drives the changes.
 

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I would agree....I liked the direction of road courses and car dynamics that were more agreeable to that type of track, but I am bewildered how dirt fits into this. Maybe Bristol is a one off to add spice to the Gen 7 farewell tour?
Only a fly in the boardroom would know but I think this is Nascar throwing a bone to Burton. 1 and done I hope. If I wanted to see this there is a couple of series to watch.
 

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Making mountains out of mole hills is what this place does. Every version of a Nascar has been versatile and able to race on many different track sizes, surfaces and configurations over the years. What's the difference if there are two or four road courses, 4 or 12 1.5's? It's about whatever combination interests the most fans THAT drives the changes.

Yeah, and there has to be some question about what voice of the fans NASCAR is using. For example.....dirt....80%ish of listeners on NASCAR Radio hate the idea? So, it isn't them. Fan Council? Who are they? Those fans that dressed as empty seats pre-COVID? Not being a dick about this, just saying, I am not sure who "fans" are, so when we say, "It's what the fans want," we aren't saying much IMO.

To triple the number of road courses changes the DNA of this sport. We all know that there was a time when they were the throw away races for contenders. Now, if you are not proficient on those tracks, you probably aren't in title contention. So, I think that changes what teams (and manufacturers) might look for in new talent. Can't use the "not a road course guy" excuse anymore. So, yeah, I think that's significant....and then, "Where are we going with dirt?" I have been told on this very forum that it is a discipline that is quite different. I trust that. If the number of dirt tracks increases, preparing a prospect for NASCAR will change even more.

I do believe that the schedule is reflective of a change in direction for NASCAR, and as such has a potential ripple effect....one that reaches into driver development and car construction. I am not bitching about it, but it is very interesting to me.
 

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Yeah, and there has to be some question about what voice of the fans NASCAR is using. For example.....dirt....80%ish of listeners on NASCAR Radio hate the idea? So, it isn't them. Fan Council? Who are they? Those fans that dressed as empty seats pre-COVID? Not being a dick about this, just saying, I am not sure who "fans" are, so when we say, "It's what the fans want," we aren't saying much IMO.

To triple the number of road courses changes the DNA of this sport. We all know that there was a time when they were the throw away races for contenders. Now, if you are not proficient on those tracks, you probably aren't in title contention. So, I think that changes what teams (and manufacturers) might look for in new talent. Can't use the "not a road course guy" excuse anymore. So, yeah, I think that's significant....and then, "Where are we going with dirt?" I have been told on this very forum that it is a discipline that is quite different. I trust that. If the number of dirt tracks increases, preparing a prospect for NASCAR will change even more.

I do believe that the schedule is reflective of a change in direction for NASCAR, and as such has a potential ripple effect....one that reaches into driver development and car construction. I am not bitching about it, but it is very interesting to me.
Yeah, and there has to be some question about what voice of the fans NASCAR is using. For example.....dirt....80%ish of listeners on NASCAR Radio hate the idea? So, it isn't them. Fan Council? Who are they? Those fans that dressed as empty seats pre-COVID? Not being a dick about this, just saying, I am not sure who "fans" are, so when we say, "It's what the fans want," we aren't saying much IMO.

To triple the number of road courses changes the DNA of this sport. We all know that there was a time when they were the throw away races for contenders. Now, if you are not proficient on those tracks, you probably aren't in title contention. So, I think that changes what teams (and manufacturers) might look for in new talent. Can't use the "not a road course guy" excuse anymore. So, yeah, I think that's significant....and then, "Where are we going with dirt?" I have been told on this very forum that it is a discipline that is quite different. I trust that. If the number of dirt tracks increases, preparing a prospect for NASCAR will change even more.

I do believe that the schedule is reflective of a change in direction for NASCAR, and as such has a potential ripple effect....one that reaches into driver development and car construction. I am not bitching about it, but it is very interesting to me.
It's what people who try to control everything hate and that is change. Best I can do.
 
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