is chase elliot flirting with becoming a bust?

Pat said:
At the moment he is 7th in points. That has to count.
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Facts always get in the way of a good argument.

Unrealistic expectations sums it up best IMO. Chase Elliott, the rookie, finished top ten in points last year. Looking to exceed that this year.

Awesome doesn't fall far from the tree. His days are yet to come.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Facts always get in the way of a good argument.

Unrealistic expectations sums it up best IMO. Chase Elliott, the rookie, finished top ten in points last year. Looking to exceed that this year.

Awesome doesn't fall far from the tree. His days are yet to come.
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Indeed. :D
 
IMO he's just as talented as the other top young guns. He's been in position to win but hasnt sealed the deal yet. Although others have wins, he's one of the more consistent drivers up front and thats not flashy but it will benefit in the long run. He made the chase in his rookie season and is sitting in the top 10 halfway through his second season. He's fine.

Once he shakes the points paying victory monkey off his back, theres blood in the water.
 
Whizzer said:
I don't think finishing in the top five 25% of races entered, or 48% in the top ten, and thrown in for good measure, three poles of races entered are a sign Chase isn't up to snuff. Most teams would think of that as a sterling record considering how Matt DiBennedetto was elated finishing sixth at Bristol last year.
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Imagine if Benidetto was in top tier equipment. I have been impressed with a few of his runs.
 
AdoubleU24 said:
Chase smoked Blaney in the ROY race last year, and has also smoked him in top 5's and top 10's in about a dozen fewer races, and in every other stat, but Blaney wins a race against Kyle Busch who was on used up tires and suddenly he's >>> and he's got the goods and is flashy and has got "it". I don't get it, and every time I ask nobody can offer anything but opinion to support the argument. I rely on facts. If one win makes or breaks you then I guess Austin is > Chase too? @Ford Racing is correct. Larson had a few more 2nd place finishes but Chase is ahead of the Larson curve to this point in his 2nd year. Their 2nd seasons are almost identical if you look at the results.

This is just nuts to even ask.
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Blaney earned that Pocono win. Harvick was faster.
 
flozeeahn said:
so laugh. was just a question. what happens when his confidence starts to fade?

look at anyone on the track who has had what the average nascar fan would call an exceptional career.

logano won his rookie season.
brad won before his rookie season.
kenseth won his.
hamlin won his.
kyle busch won his.
kurt won 4 his second season.
harvick won his rookie season.
junior won his rookie season.
johnson won his rookie season.
kahne won his second season.
newman won his rookie season.
blaney has won in the same career span.
carl edwards won his rookie season.
hell clint bowyer won his second season.
mcmurray won his second race.
truex won his second season.

literally every successful driver on the track had a win at this point in their careers. is this completely insignificant? maybe...but i wouldn't take it as a good sign.


...it's time for elliot to win. it is indeed too early to call him a bust. but if he doesn't win by season's end, i would say he has fallen WELL short of expectations. 7th in points is impressive? mcmurray has been top ten in points all season. impressive? kinda.

he's obviously not stinking the joint up. but i just want him to get his.
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There were a lot of threads like this about Kyle Larson too. He got his first win in his third year of Cup competition (99th start).
 
AdoubleU24 said:
Those were a terrific watch, I wish they'd make a tv series out of that and follow different teams during the season.
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Yea I found them enjoyable, the 24 crew is a likable bunch. The interior mechanic Jordan seemed like a good dude and so did Gustafson. I wish something like 24/7 was made for a NASCAR team but for the whole season Id watch that for sure.
 
JohnHill said:
It really is too early for this... however, it did cross my mind in the last couple weeks as well. He has a ton of fans so anyone thinking about this will get flamed to no end... the thing going for him is he has so much support it would seem like.... I believe Hendrick/NAPA will probably allow him some time to get it rolling...

There's no guarantee he's going to be some legend. I always sit back and grab the popcorn when there's someone with as much hype as Elliott, because every now and then they work out good and every now and then you might need to remind people to google a name like "Casey Atwood"... In the early 2000's I thought the state of California would remove the Hollywood sign and put his name up on the hills... look how that played out.
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Did Casey Atwood get a chance to excel in top equipment.......from what I remember...no
 
28car said:
Did Casey Atwood get a chance to excel in top equipment.......from what I remember...no
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Bill Elliott won in the same equipment. Dodge had that 9 and 19 primed up. It was a big deal for them in 2001
 
ToyYoda said:
That's probably the main reason it seems like he's behind the curve, but he's actually done very well his first two seasons despite the fact that he's still sans a win. I think Chase will be more like the next Dale Jr rather than the next Jeff or Jimmie, it was probably unfair to compare him to two of the greatest right out of the gate.
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Two of the greatest ???
 
Snappy D said:
Yea I found them enjoyable, the 24 crew is a likable bunch. The interior mechanic Jordan seemed like a good dude and so did Gustafson. I wish something like 24/7 was made for a NASCAR team but for the whole season Id watch that for sure.
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Yeah Jordan is cool, Gustafson is a nice guy, met him in Charlotte along with Dion Williams who you see a lot of in those episodes. Dion carried for Gordon for a while but his contract ran out after last year. He currently pits for John Hunter in the trucks. Great follow in Instagram if you have one. @rockoslaw is his handle.
 
I love the people pointing out keselowski's win in his rookie season was "a plate track".

Like it doesn't count. Lol. The biggest race in Stock Car Racing is "a plate track".

I want a rookie to win at sonoma or the glen so I can say it "was on a road course" and make that argument that NASCAR is a mostly oval series so you shouldn't read much into it.

Kyle busch must of hacked some accounts.
 
fordfan said:
Fact. I have even started a thread here claiming Larson to be overrated. Few weeks later, he got his first win and I logged off for a few months.
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Lol
 
As for Loganos rough start, people forget his rookie year was the first year of the COT. A young driver, driving something unlike anything hes driven before . . is bound to struggle.
Coincidentally, the year he started with Penske, was the same year Nascar switched back to the more traditional style stock car. And Joey started to flourish.

But it is what it is
 
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Johnny G said:
I love the people pointing out keselowski's win in his rookie season was "a plate track".

Like it doesn't count. Lol. The biggest race in Stock Car Racing is "a plate track".

I want a rookie to win at sonoma or the glen so I can say it "was on a road course" and make that argument that NASCAR is a mostly oval series so you shouldn't read much into it.

Kyle busch must of hacked some accounts.
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I was there. I felt so deflated. I wanted Junior to win. He was in position before Brad happened. A win is a win. Brad was where he had to be. Too bad about the wreck. That's racin'

 
TexasRaceLady said:
I'm not sure where this idea that new shoes MUST be immediately successful at Cup racing. Are we
expecting too much, too soon?
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I think they're forgetting that prior to this year, there have been a very elite group of guys that actually win races. It's not easy, you've gotta have so much go your way on top of having a fast car 9 times out of 10. And the more NASCAR continues to stack the deck against these teams and drivers the way they do every year, it isn't going to get any easier. That's what they want though. That's why we sit here with 13 different race winners right now. I honestly believe the days of 50-race winners are gone in terms of these new guys reaching that threshold.

Stenny winning a couple plate races and Austin stretching fuel has got everybody losing their minds.
 
TexasRaceLady said:
I'm not sure where this idea that new shoes MUST be immediately successful at Cup racing. Are we
expecting too much, too soon?
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If one looks at Austin Dillon's career at the Cup level then the answer would be...:laugh:
 
Not even close to a bust. He is in his second season and most said he needed more time in Xfinity before moving up. He's 21?

Logano and Larsen were also sometimes labeled as busts when they were 20 - 21. Once Chase breaks through that first win he's going to get a bunch.
 
I think the up and coming drivers tend to win poles first, then they start wrecking cars finding their limits. It takes time to find a winning balance - and that includes working with a new team.
 
Zerkfitting said:
I think the up and coming drivers tend to win poles first, then they start wrecking cars finding their limits. It takes time to find a winning balance - and that includes working with a new team.
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Chase does not really wreck cars, he's about as "polished" as any other rookie I have honestly EVER seen.

He does not place a foot wrong in most cases.
 
Chase will be fine.... He's keeping his nose clean and just learning the ropes.. Taking care of his equipment.. not over driving and learning as he goes......
 
Johnny G said:
I love the people pointing out keselowski's win in his rookie season was "a plate track".

Like it doesn't count. Lol. The biggest race in Stock Car Racing is "a plate track".

I want a rookie to win at sonoma or the glen so I can say it "was on a road course" and make that argument that NASCAR is a mostly oval series so you shouldn't read much into it.

Kyle busch must of hacked some accounts.
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I think it's plenty fair to not read much into either. The top four tracks with the greatest difference between a driver's average finish there and average finish everywhere else are, in order, Daytona-Talladega-Sonoma-Watkins Glen.
 
A bust?, no, he will get the wins , it will come . I think part of it is HMS seems to be a little bit off.
 
When was the last time a rookie won in their rookie year?
 
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