Kurt Busch to SHR?

FenderBumper said:
Wow, I didn't realize you were so touchy feely about racing. What's next, watching their weight and blood pressure?
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I get this stuff from reputable sources
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Matthew2470 said:
I remember Andy and a few others here spouting off about how Kurt was going to be finished in NASCAR because no one would ever hire or sponsor him. I got ripped for disagreeing. Maybe they'll apologize to me someday. :D
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Consider this an unapology. I only argued correctly that Kurt was an a**hole deluxe in 2011, and early on in 2012.
And I am confident that you directed the greatest condescension during the debate. I carry on with a lot of foolishness and even enjoy the humor at my expense and laughing at myself (it is liberating give it try when need to de-stress sometime). Condescension is one the few problems I have escaped in life.

BTW I am happy for Kurt presently, as well AJ. Probably the two feel good stories of 2013.
Nobody is perfect and I would rather think of them in terms of their great skills.

Unapology Exhibit 1A posted below

 
With how hard he races, Kurt needs a car that won't fall apart under him and a crew that will keep him up front. To SHR I say!
 
If it's true , he owes it all to Furniture Row who took a chance , resurrected his career and showcased his talent .
 
I have been pulling for him all year because he seemed to have his demons under control but now he's back on my sh!t list for throwing FRR under the bus after they were the only ones willing help that idiot out of the gutter he put himself in so he could get himself together and I thought he had.
 
Johali said:
I have been pulling for him all year because he seemed to have his demons under control but now he's back on my sh!t list for throwing FRR under the bus after they were the only ones willing help that idiot out of the gutter he put himself in so he could get himself together and I thought he had.
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seriously would you stay with FRR if you had a chance to go race for SHR, look this is a business decision. race teams make business decisions and so do drivers. if a race team isn't liking a driver they can find another. FRR racing is just missing the little things they are also a single car team. Kurt has to carry the car because the pit crew sucks and probably some other things are missing that we don't see. this causes kurt to over drive the car to make up for it. FRR should have locked kurt down for multi years if they really wanted him. Another thing is if kurt did well did any of us really think he would stay there?? it was like the 51 car, was kurt going to stay there either?? most should have seen both moves as a stepping stone.
 
Newman has got to be steaming. No sponsorship so he is let go but Haas is willing to put up his own money (his company) to sponsor Kurt, wow
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I wonder if Newman knew what was going on, I think he was aware he was having trouble getting a sponsorship. No sponsor for Newman might have been true. I'm guessing sponsors have a bigger role in picking drivers than in the past. Sometimes sponsors will follow a driver to another team.
 
Johali said:
I have been pulling for him all year because he seemed to have his demons under control but now he's back on my sh!t list for throwing FRR under the bus after they were the only ones willing help that idiot out of the gutter he put himself in so he could get himself together and I thought he had.
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Get over it. He owed nothing to FRR. It isn't like he is skipping out on a contract to move to SHR. He signed a one year deal with FRR, and he is currently honoring it.
 
FRR would love to be able to keep him but I'm sure they knew when they signed him that this was basically a 1-year deal where he was auditioning for a ride at one of the big teams.

I wonder if Newman ends up at FRR now.
 
Johali said:
I have been pulling for him all year because he seemed to have his demons under control but now he's back on my sh!t list for throwing FRR under the bus after they were the only ones willing help that idiot out of the gutter he put himself in so he could get himself together and I thought he had.
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Yeah, they helped him out by giving him a one year contract deal, and, now after that's over with, a better team will be helping him even more.
 
Jeffrey00 said:
Get over it. He owed nothing to FRR. It isn't like he is skipping out on a contract to move to SHR. He signed a one year deal with FRR, and he is currently honoring it.
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Get over it your damn self and quit trying to tell people how to think, I think and believe what I posted. And as far as I am concerned he owes them his career.
 
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Jeffrey00 said:
blah blah blah. I am Johali, I am superior to everyone else, blah blah blah. Or, is it yep yep yep....:rolleyes:
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I just consider the source, if someone disagrees with you, you just bash'em.
 
With regards to what Kurt owes Furniture Row - Kurt has kept up his end of the bargain in spades. I could argue that Kurt has done more for Furniture Row Racing than Furniture Row Racing has done for Kurt Busch. If anyone here with an "opinion" on that statement cares to debate me, I'm all for it...just know that I'll be countering your "opinion" with actual facts. The relationship was mutually beneficial, with the edge going to FRR getting more out of it.

The bottom line is that this was likely never meant to be more than a one-year thing. Kurt needed FRR to fly under the radar for a season, get his act together, and rebuild his image...Furniture Row Racing needed a driver like Kurt to showcase what the car was capable of (the car was always light years better than Regan Smith). If EITHER party (Kurt or Barney) were really and truly interested in keeping this going - it would still be going. But, it's not. For many, many reasons. And don't interpret that as it being a bad relationship - the relationship was just fine. In fact, there was more disagreement between Regan and Barney than there ever was between Kurt and Barney, and Regan and Barney rarely disagreed. It really was sunny skies all the way. The parting of ways is very amicable, and, as I said, not a surprise to anyone behind the scenes.
 
ted@economy said:
If it's true , he owes it all to Furniture Row who took a chance , resurrected his career and showcased his talent .
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ya wait a minute here now. Kurt was a recent champion with a big ego to match. He drove for Finch first and did a heck of a job with that drunks junk. Kinda hard not too run much better with a guy that is a recent past champion? Same thing for Furniture row, a bit higher on the food chain equipment wise, but you got to see that their stuff isn't that great either. They have speed because of Childress power and tech help, but you are not going to have a chance at a championship again with a crew that is costing you spots almost on a weekly basis. Two way street..they owe him also.
 
Allenbaba said:
With regards to what Kurt owes Furniture Row - Kurt has kept up his end of the bargain in spades. I could argue that Kurt has done more for Furniture Row Racing than Furniture Row Racing has done for Kurt Busch. If anyone here with an "opinion" on that statement cares to debate me, I'm all for it...just know that I'll be countering your "opinion" with actual facts. The relationship was mutually beneficial, with the edge going to FRR getting more out of it.

The bottom line is that this was likely never meant to be more than a one-year thing. Kurt needed FRR to fly under the radar for a season, get his act together, and rebuild his image...Furniture Row Racing needed a driver like Kurt to showcase what the car was capable of (the car was always light years better than Regan Smith). If EITHER party (Kurt or Barney) were really and truly interested in keeping this going - it would still be going. But, it's not. For many, many reasons. And don't interpret that as it being a bad relationship - the relationship was just fine. In fact, there was more disagreement between Regan and Barney than there ever was between Kurt and Barney, and Regan and Barney rarely disagreed. It really was sunny skies all the way. The parting of ways is very amicable, and, as I said, not a surprise to anyone behind the scenes.
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no debate here.........but would like ta hear tha actual facts.
thought frr had offered kurt ext contract past 2013 earlier this yr ? an he declined.
 
Allenbaba said:
With regards to what Kurt owes Furniture Row - Kurt has kept up his end of the bargain in spades. I could argue that Kurt has done more for Furniture Row Racing than Furniture Row Racing has done for Kurt Busch. If anyone here with an "opinion" on that statement cares to debate me, I'm all for it...just know that I'll be countering your "opinion" with actual facts. The relationship was mutually beneficial, with the edge going to FRR getting more out of it.

The bottom line is that this was likely never meant to be more than a one-year thing. Kurt needed FRR to fly under the radar for a season, get his act together, and rebuild his image...Furniture Row Racing needed a driver like Kurt to showcase what the car was capable of (the car was always light years better than Regan Smith). If EITHER party (Kurt or Barney) were really and truly interested in keeping this going - it would still be going. But, it's not. For many, many reasons. And don't interpret that as it being a bad relationship - the relationship was just fine. In fact, there was more disagreement between Regan and Barney than there ever was between Kurt and Barney, and Regan and Barney rarely disagreed. It really was sunny skies all the way. The parting of ways is very amicable, and, as I said, not a surprise to anyone behind the scenes.
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awesome opinion, ;)
 
hawg dawg said:
no debate here.........but would like ta hear tha actual facts.
thought frr had offered kurt ext contract past 2013 earlier this yr ? an he declined.
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They may have, but he doesn't owe it to them to sign that contract. All he "owes" FRR is his one year contract, and he is more than living up to his end of the bargain on that fact.
 
hawg dawg said:
no debate here.........but would like ta hear tha actual facts.
thought frr had offered kurt ext contract past 2013 earlier this yr ? an he declined.
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FRR was trying to buy low at the time...like, really low. More $$ than this year's salary (barely), but not nearly as much as Kurt knew he would be worth if he proved he could drive fast and behave. So, Kurt turned it down, took his chances that he'd be able to up his worth by excelling on (and off) the track, and to his credit, succeeded in doing both. It should also be noted that SHR and FRR's offers were pretty far apart. I don't believe Kurt's decision was based solely on $$...but they were probably far enough apart to play a bigger role than $$ should have.
 
We all know what this is. This is Haas' little side project. It would be interesting to see what Tony thinks of all this. I know Haas is the main guy, and Tony is just the face, but I am not sure Tony is too happy. Haas wants to get his name in Victory lane, and wants to use Kurt Busch to do it. I am wondering if there will be a little competition between Haas and Tony on which of their newly acquired drivers will succeed better.
 
I tend to think that since Gene Haas was already covering off a bunch of sponsorship on the 39 that he said "I may aswell go out and get a guy who will get me to victory lane and run up front on a weekly basis". Kurt, if paired with a top notch crew chief should give them a title contender.

Newman did a decent job but he was too inconsistent, yeah he won a few races but how many times did he finish 23rd and 2 laps down?

With Kurt you're going to get top 10's, top 5's maybe some wins and some 35th's because he wrecked trying to make something happen. One thing Kurt won't be is invisible, how many races this year has he been a non factor? Not too many by my count, so I think Haas is going to get a lot of exposure and value from this deal. There's only a handful of guys who can be fast everywhere and run up front week in and week out and Kurt's definitely one of them. Great move by SHR in my estimation.
 
Allenbaba said:
FRR was trying to buy low at the time...like, really low. More $$ than this year's salary (barely), but not nearly as much as Kurt knew he would be worth if he proved he could drive fast and behave. So, Kurt turned it down, took his chances that he'd be able to up his worth by excelling on (and off) the track, and to his credit, succeeded in doing both. It should also be noted that SHR and FRR's offers were pretty far apart. I don't believe Kurt's decision was based solely on $$...but they were probably far enough apart to play a bigger role than $$ should have.
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i guess barney's got a glass ceilin budget based on exposure/sales incr.
get past that.....no return on investin more $$. ?

wonder if berrier is goin ta shr too....package deal. ha!
 
Jeffrey00 said:
Get over it. He owed nothing to FRR. It isn't like he is skipping out on a contract to move to SHR. He signed a one year deal with FRR, and he is currently honoring it.
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FRR dumped Regan Smith quick enough, so they know how it works. Looks like Newman may be off to Colorado.
 
With Dillion expected to move up to cup next year does that mean the 29 stays or the 29 turns into the 3? I am hoping FRR goes after Montoya instead of Newman.
 
Full text of Furniture Row Racing statement on Kurt Busch, from GM Joe Garone: #NASCAR

“It was always our intention to extend Kurt's contract with Furniture Row Racing. We made him an offer last week to to continue as the driver of the No. 78 Furniture Row Chevrolet in 2014 and beyond. Though he did not accept our offer we respect his decision and wish him future success. His driving skill and being a dedicated team player will always be appreciated at Furniture Row Racing. But for right now the main focus for Kurt and the team is to qualify for the Chase and contend for the 2013 Sprint Cup Series championship.

“Furniture Row Racing’s technical and engineering programs along with a talented road crew have made great strides this season, which have been evident with the consistently fast race cars that we have brought to the track week in and week out. We, along with our technical alliance with Richard Childress Racing, are deeply committed to continuing the work in progress. We are currently in a search process for a new driver in 2014, one who shares the same commitment and winning attitude that we all do at Furniture Row Racing.”
 
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