Like I said I have never heard a truck or an Xfinity driver say anything they have learned from KDB. Going further, what value would it have if they think they did learn something, or how would it help the series? There is a reason Nascar instilled racing limits in the lower series. Ya think they just came up with that in thin air?
I think they came up with that because so many fans were complaining and not going to the races but I could be wrong because I don't pay that much attention to the B-series... but I know anytime I went to a B-series race the stands were empty. I don't know how it is now since they made the change because I haven't been to any of those races or watched them on tv. All I'm saying is I will always put more value in what a driver, crew chief or any team member says then I will anyone on any racing forum. That's just being logical and not putting any forum member down. But, I 100% think having a veteran driver in the race helps teach the less experienced drivers.
Sounds like to me you choose to race them, not them choosing to race you. Slightly different.
…and no rules against either.
You still had a terrible take. You moved up to learn from them. You made said choice, and that’s fine. No one complains if a driver moves up a series because you are trying to learn. But drivers racing down is horrible. I don’t know any other form of Motorsports where it happens.
Back when the Busch series had less emphasis on development, there was a core of full-time drivers who provided this type of mentoring. LaJoie, Keller, the Greens, etc. Some of the Truckers too; a young driver could learn a lot from Sprague, Hornaday, etc. As development has become more of the primary mission, there are fewer experienced drivers that are both full-time and in a competitive ride. Sadler served as an example for a few years, and Allgaier does now to some extent; I don't think there are any competitive full-timer vets in the Trucks these days.
Because it’s truly not fun watching? That’s the problem.Everyone is just following the rules.
I don’t see a problem.
I like it.
Probably the only way you’ll be seeing your boy win for awhile. So I understand.
Then what about other motorsports from the F3/F2/F1 ladder to Motocross, where they run one division at a time and move up to the next without any blending? Those guys still continue to improve as they advance through the ranks.
This isn’t f3,2,1 or motocross.
Crafton, but not as competitive these days, though he did win a championship a couple years ago. Same with Sauter as far as not being quite the same these days.
Tbh they should go race the kiddies in go karts every now and then to prove they can REALLY win (Lewis and Dixon). I'm sure Kyle would agree.
Neither is competitive anymore. You might even say they've lost a step.
I mean hey, that’s true. But it’s also true he’s sucked the last two years in Cup. Two wins..so I’m all I’m saying is I understand you enjoying actually see him putting the car in Victory Lane, because if not for Xfinity and Trucks, you would have saw him win twice since Homestead in 2019. So I’ll leave you alone so you can enjoy what success he has left.He’s already got a win this year.
Win and you’re in
No worries here. He’s currently tied for first in active Cup driver wins.
I’m talking about what he’s done lately
Again, I’m happy with all of it. I don’t mind Cup drivers in Xfin or Trucks. It all works for me, no complaints.I’m talking about what he’s done lately
Thanks. I don't know how I forgot those two.
You said racers never improve without racing faster guys. That just isn't true. Thinking that that's a universal motorsports truth just because of NASCAR is like living in a bubble.
Really? When did I say, “never?”
Yet you always criticized drivers like Crafton, Sauter or Allgaier who have been racing in the lower leagues for most of their careers.
Well, see Mark would sometimes, out of the goodness of his heart, pull into the pits early giving the win to another driver. Has Kyle ever done that?
Absolutely.
is this true?
www.chicagotribune.com
You literally said, "You’re never going to learn anything racing guys that are just as fast as you".
The best part about this ridiculous argument is rarely in racing is someone else just as “fast” as you. There’s always better or worse drivers and better or worse cars. Nobody wins every race they compete in, theres always someone faster than you.
Uh huh…and you’re definitely going to learn from more experienced drivers.
Exactly...it's not like the Xfinity guys development is critical in any way to racing Cup guys. Not saying they don't learn, but can we see it? More so with Cup teammates than racing Cup guys. Just kind of a dumb excuse to have Cup guys beating up on Xfin guys.
I don't understand what you're getting at. You're moving the goalposts and not addressing what I really said. You said something, then said you didn't say that, and now you're agreeing with it afterall?
If you’re an Xfin driver and you run with or beat a Cup driver then you stand a better chance of getting noticed.
It’s been my point all along that Xfin drivers are going to gain knowledge by running with more experienced drivers…
That is true, but not critical to being noticed, learning to race, etc. Cup drivers down there isn't making a huge difference in those guys' prospects. Who remembers second place?
