Las Vegas test 1/31-2/1

after he had his little temper tante, like he does almost every week while in the car at something or somebody, partial sanity returned. :p

Busch said this week: Races will be “more of a mental game, a lot more of a chess match, thinking how you make moves, how daring you’ll be.” I’m sorry, is that not also what we view as a driver’s skill? I certainly have. Making the decision to put your car in a certain place on the track and betting the outcome will be a good one for you seems to me to be a very important part of being a successful driver. Like any rules package that has ever been used in any motorsports, there will be drivers who excel at it and some who fail. Current drivers are simply worried what has proved successful in the past may not work in the future. And you can’t blame them.
 
StandOnIt said:
after he had his little temper tante, like he does almost every week while in the car at something or somebody, partial sanity returned. :p

Busch said this week: Races will be “more of a mental game, a lot more of a chess match, thinking how you make moves, how daring you’ll be.” I’m sorry, is that not also what we view as a driver’s skill? I certainly have. Making the decision to put your car in a certain place on the track and betting the outcome will be a good one for you seems to me to be a very important part of being a successful driver. Like any rules package that has ever been used in any motorsports, there will be drivers who excel at it and some who fail. Current drivers are simply worried what has proved successful in the past may not work in the future. And you can’t blame them.
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The current drivers don’t want to be part of a slowed down shyte show that takes away talent and speed. That much is obvious.
 
IanMcVittie said:
By all accounts the 2019 rules won’t do anything for close competition other than create the illusion of it.

NASCAR’s drivers will be fighting it out for the Hans Christian Andersen cup. Sad indeed.
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One, I don't think you can watch a few laps at a test session, or listen to some disgruntled driver's comments and determine that. Wait until there is actually something on the line and then judge. If you put that many cars in that close of proximity of each other, guys are going to start taking chances and fireworks are likely to ensue. If guys can get up to somebody, they aren't going to be content to just sit there for long. Whether the drivers like the package or not is of little concern to me. Their point of view is one of the LEAST important, as 99% of the time, it's based on what is good for THEM, not what is good for the sport or anybody else. If you want to hear the biggest complaining at a racetrack, find the guy who thinks he's had some kind of advantage he had taken away.
 
BobbyFord said:
Like plate racing...
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Yup but at every damn track smh lol.. and this is what nascar fans say will be good haha.. the thing is all this old school heads think they know what’s good for the sport don’t ! They think they know it all when they don’t .. this isn’t back in the day , nascar needs a facelift in every aspect not just racing .. if they want more people in the seats and won’t to change they need to do a good job with the marketing team.. I can tell they have been doing that lately.. but it needs to continue.. i can go on and on.. but let the old heads tell it they know what’s good for the sport.. I been watching for 3 years now and I bet if nascar had the nfl or nba come over and help them , they could help NASCAR a lot with there marketing and the way to do things.. NASCAR is so far behind it’s crazy.. but when they do try to do something different these old 60-80 year olds don’t like change so nascar can’t win it’s crszy..
 
If drivers are all about speed, then why are the short tracks 80% of the driver's favorite tracks?
 
Formerjackman said:
If drivers are all about speed, then why are the short tracks 80% of the driver's favorite tracks?
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I can give you a billion answers to that question that don’t have to do with speed and HP, 1 it gives them an excuse to hit other drivers and not be held responsible by there sponsors! It kinda gives them an excuse for the week.. they held in this box every week and act like robots . I think the biggest thing for them now at short tracks if they hit another driver they can blame it on the track and not get held accountable in the media and on social media ..
 
Formerjackman said:
If drivers are all about speed, then why are the short tracks 80% of the driver's favorite tracks?
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Because they play more of a factor there than air. This year it will be ALL ABOUT air on anything bigger than a mile.
 
you guys don't probably watch much anyway, but the Truck races on 1.5's last year are a slower model of next years Sprint cars on a 1.5. if you happened to catch any at all. Of course most of us who watched them weren't thinking about how fast they were going or how easy it was for them to drive. For the most part those were some of the best races of the weekend, they had the closest finishes and hardest racing in every series to date. Those cuppers were playing around at the test, falling back in the pack, moving up, testing how it handled in traffic and gathering data to make em faster.. When it comes down to it, there is going to be blocking, beating and banging when the finish is getting close and the one(s) behind have a faster car. Just like the truckers.
 
Formerjackman said:
One, I don't think you can watch a few laps at a test session, or listen to some disgruntled driver's comments and determine that. Wait until there is actually something on the line and then judge. If you put that many cars in that close of proximity of each other, guys are going to start taking chances and fireworks are likely to ensue. If guys can get up to somebody, they aren't going to be content to just sit there for long. Whether the drivers like the package or not is of little concern to me. Their point of view is one of the LEAST important, as 99% of the time, it's based on what is good for THEM, not what is good for the sport or anybody else. If you want to hear the biggest complaining at a racetrack, find the guy who thinks he's had some kind of advantage he had taken away.
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We’ll need to see some races for sure.
 
StandOnIt said:
you guys don't probably watch much anyway, but the Truck races on 1.5's last year are a slower model of next years Sprint cars on a 1.5. if you happened to catch any at all. Of course most of us who watched them weren't thinking about how fast they were going or how easy it was for them to drive. For the most part those were some of the best races of the weekend, they had the closest finishes and hardest racing in every series to date. Those cuppers were playing around at the test, falling back in the pack, moving up, testing how it handled in traffic and gathering data to make em faster.. When it comes down to it, there is going to be blocking, beating and banging when the finish is getting close and the one(s) behind have a faster car. Just like the truckers.
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I don’t watch truck racing anymore.
 
I think WAY too much is being put on this test. Conjecture only leads to further speculation. Get to Atlanta and then a few others to see what the product looks like.

Also KDB sure feels full of himself. He believes he’s the most talented driver in the world, and certainly he is one of them. However, driver skill is hard to quantify relative to this series. These cars are brutes, and handling them well certainly isn’t easy. But every driver is skilled. It takes a lot more from the car to make speed. The adjustments on setup are numerous. Last year if your brought your car to the track and it didn’t come off the truck running in the top 10, you weren’t going to find that speed at the track.

Will this new package require more adjustment at the track and during the race to find speed? I hope so. Also if the engines are pressed harder (at the top end of performance), decisions could create more blown motors if one pushes too hard. Strategy may be much more important on race day, and I welcome that.
 
Comical watching people blast something they havent seen. Keep it up!
 
It's getting to be like Gang-warfare in here. :D

If only TRL had her super-powers back...
 
StandOnIt said:
you guys don't probably watch much anyway, but the Truck races on 1.5's last year are a slower model of next years Sprint cars on a 1.5. if you happened to catch any at all. Of course most of us who watched them weren't thinking about how fast they were going or how easy it was for them to drive. For the most part those were some of the best races of the weekend, they had the closest finishes and hardest racing in every series to date. Those cuppers were playing around at the test, falling back in the pack, moving up, testing how it handled in traffic and gathering data to make em faster.. When it comes down to it, there is going to be blocking, beating and banging when the finish is getting close and the one(s) behind have a faster car. Just like the truckers.
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You would think that if the truck racing was that great people would make an effort to see it. The stands look empty and no one watches them on TV. Don’t they let kids in free?
 
IanMcVittie said:
You would think that if the truck racing was that great people would make an effort to see it. The stands look empty and no one watches them on TV. Don’t they let kids in free?
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No one? Do you know the numbers for TV between 2018 and when they started?
 
IanMcVittie said:
You would think that if the truck racing was that great people would make an effort to see it. The stands look empty and no one watches them on TV. Don’t they let kids in free?
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and I thought you were glued to the TV ratings and would know something
 
Spotter22 said:
No one? Do you know the numbers for TV between 2018 and when they started?
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I have not committed the ratings for each race to memory but the numbers indicate they are not well watched. They don’t look well attended even with the freebies and low ticket prices. All I am saying is if the races were that good don’t you think more people would watch?
 
IanMcVittie said:
I have not committed the ratings for each race to memory but the numbers indicate they are not well watched. They don’t look well attended even with the freebies and low ticket prices. All I am saying is if the races were that good don’t you think more people would watch?
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so you have no clue how many people watch the truck races. you could make something up?
 
IanMcVittie said:
I think everyone is being well behaved and TRL should be left alone to enjoy retirement
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Nope -- she'd have her virtual club out and start whacking these taunts, repartee's, repetitive exchanges, etc. into oblivion.

Appears there is a new 2019 Rules Package for both NASCAR and NASCAR Chat...
 
Formerjackman said:
I don't have any more of an idea of what will attract fans than you do, but I know that cars running single file separated by 2-5 seconds per position for 150 consecutive green flag laps is NOT going to do it. Personally, I don't think most fans or potential fans give a damn about how much horsepower the cars have. What most DO want is close competition, passing, cars running 2-3 wide, bumping into each other, and dare I say it, a wreck every once in awhile. There were multiple times last year when I watched the 9 car do an entire fuel run and never gain or lose a position. If I want to go watch a parade of cars going by quickly, but not actually racing anybody, I'll go stand next to an interstate.
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I have youngsters and am exposed to the young car guys, I know full well what attracts them ... it isn't NASCAR. Watching the 4 car leading every race will attract some Harvick fans
 
Ventisca said:
Nope -- she'd have her virtual club out and start whacking these taunts, repartee's, repetitive exchanges, etc. into oblivion.

Appears there is a new 2019 Rules Package for both NASCAR and NASCAR Chat...
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As long as there aren’t any personal attacks or name-calling we’re within the rules.
 
StandOnIt said:
so you have no clue how many people watch the truck races. you could make something up?
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I sho do as it isnt a state secret. Why don’t you think more people watch from home or attend the events live?
 
IanMcVittie said:
I have not committed the ratings for each race to memory but the numbers indicate they are not well watched. They don’t look well attended even with the freebies and low ticket prices. All I am saying is if the races were that good don’t you think more people would watch?
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Id say that if people didnt like it it wouldnt be on tv right? lol Unless you know better then the TV execs?
 
IanMcVittie said:
I sho do as it isnt a state secret. Why don’t you think more people watch from home or attend the events live?
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Tell me how Nascar earned a quarter of a billion dollars this last year? saving the children? attracting the younger fan? Oh I know removing seats? plate racing?
 
Ventisca said:
Nope -- she'd have her virtual club out and start whacking these taunts, repartee's, repetitive exchanges, etc. into oblivion.

Appears there is a new 2019 Rules Package for both NASCAR and NASCAR Chat...
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The topic ran out of steam a long time ago and now it’s just posturing and “I’m smarter than you are.” I’m glad things have been left alone as I love my boys and I find their comments entertaining.
 
Spotter22 said:
Id say that if people didnt like it it wouldnt be on tv right? lol Unless you know better then the TV execs?
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I would say that if it was as good as has been reported more people would watch and attend wouldn’t you?
 
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