NASCAR announces 2019 MENCS rules

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The different packages will be tailored to the specific tracks on the Monster Energy Series circuit, with a combination of a smaller tapered spacer to reduce engine horsepower to a target goal of 550 (from 750) and aero ducts to foster tighter racing on a majority of speedways measuring longer than 1 mile. Both features will be in place for 17 of the 36 races next season, excepting the 2019 Daytona 500, which will run with traditional restrictor-plate rules. Five other races will be run with the smaller spacer, but without ducts.
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The baseline aero elements of the 2019 rules package are a taller 8-inch by 61-inch rear spoiler, a larger front splitter with a 2-inch overhang, and a wider radiator pan that measures 37 inches wide in the front tapering to 31 inches at the rear. Those base changes will be in place at every race next season with the intent of adding downforce to stabilize handling, a break from a trend of downforce reduction from 2015-18.
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Beyond the baseline components are the smaller tapered spacer (.922-inch versus the current 1.17-inch) and aerodynamic ducts to be used at select oval tracks larger than 1 mile. The smaller spacer will further limit airflow through the engine and thereby horsepower to a figure around 550, down from the current 750.

Five races at larger ovals are exceptions. Both Pocono events and races at Atlanta, Darlington and Homestead will use the smaller tapered spacer, but will not use the aero ducts that transfer air to the side of the car away from the front tires. Neither the smaller spacer nor ducts will be used at short tracks and road courses.
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https://www.nascar.com/news-media/2018/10/02/2019-rules-packages-announced-monster-energy-series/
 
I’m actually not opposed to this. While I love the almost sprint car type of racing we see today with high HP and low downforce, this is going to be more old school stock car racing.

It shouldn’t force pack racing at all and will benefit the best defensive drivers. Also tire wear should be much more prominent
 
I wonder if this will make it harder or easier for Mustang transition? My guess is easier since it’s a drafting package and everyone also has to throw their notes out for the most part. Good timing for them.
 
One little "experiment" became 13 races became 22 races. Exactly the type of rules creep NASCAR has shown before but we were supposed to believe otherwise. :idunno:

Not sure how Steve reconciles "putting it back in the drivers' hands" with -200 HP and "adding downforce to stabilize handling". Seems counterintuitive to me.

Especially sucks that Atlanta, Darlington, and Homestead will get the lowest HP.
 
NASCAR posted this to social media using the Fusion body. :owquitit:

Looks like just as much thought went into the actual racing package as well.
 
FLRacingFan said:
One little "experiment" became 13 races became 22 races. Exactly the type of rules creep NASCAR has shown before but we were supposed to believe otherwise. :idunno:

Not sure how Steve reconciles "putting it back in the drivers' hands" with -200 HP and "adding downforce to stabilize handling". Seems counterintuitive to me.

Especially sucks that Atlanta, Darlington, and Homestead will get the lowest HP.
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Daytona and Dega wont have plates. Thats how slow they’ve gotten the cars to be. Fuggin joke.

I don’t see how the drivers who enjoy the challenge of being on the edge and the adrenaline of holding to the floor and seeing Jesus are excited for this bullsnot.
 
tclarson said:
I wonder if this will make it harder or easier for Mustang transition? My guess is easier since it’s a drafting package and everyone also has to throw their notes out for the most part. Good timing for them.
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big ? is with the changes to the radiator width, what will that do to all of them. I know the changes they made last year to the radiator, splitter and oil cooler radiator, tightened up the competition. This could help the Chevys.
 
FLRacingFan said:
One little "experiment" became 13 races became 22 races. Exactly the type of rules creep NASCAR has shown before but we were supposed to believe otherwise. :idunno:

Not sure how Steve reconciles "putting it back in the drivers' hands" with -200 HP and "adding downforce to stabilize handling". Seems counterintuitive to me.

Especially sucks that Atlanta, Darlington, and Homestead will get the lowest HP.
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...And we were called names for assuming such.


What a load of bull**** this is. Reducing power, stabilizing handling, and installing sails to keep them bunched together. It is kind of shocking even by NASCAR's standards.

I'm curious why they aren't running their holes in the bumper at Pocono, people cry about how boring that race is, you'd think they would be all about product manipulation there.

Pretty depressed about what will happen to racing at Darlington and ACS..
 
I don't know, I'm reserving my judgement until I see it.

Looks like the manufacturers have been chomping at the bit for sometime. This package might be good, it might be meh, or it might be a disaster. I'm not sold on it after watching the all-star race, it was okay, but I'm used to NASCAR throwing darts at the target to see of they stick.

Just more reason to look forward to Gen 7.
 
Kiante said:
I don't know, I'm reserving my judgement until I see it.

Looks like the manufacturers have been chomping at the bit for sometime. This package might be good, it might be meh, or it might be a disaster. I'm not sold on it after watching the all-star race, it was okay, but I'm used to NASCAR throwing darts at the target to see of they stick.

Just more reason to look forward to Gen 7.
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Praying that they feel like the gen 7 is a legit race car that needs no molestation.
 
Here are three rules that have flown under the radar for next year. Is that a common chassis?
Other rules announced Tuesday to take effect in 2019:

• The previously announced enhanced vehicle chassis (EVC) will be mandatory at all races.

• NASCAR has reduced the amount of organizational tests for the calendar year from four to three. Additionally, Goodyear tire tests in 2019 will be conducted by three teams, down from the current four.

• NASCAR will expand the use of sealed engines next season, increasing to three long block seals in addition to keeping the current 13-race short block seal requirement.
 
Man what a relief, still, no MUFFLERS!!!! :D (The rest of it, to early to tell, need to see it race)

Might as well dust off the Super Late Models and race, from the way I read it.

 
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I do think that is a common chassis that has adjustability built into it. I heard something about that on one of the Nascar shows.
 
So are they going to race like the all star race at 165mph or nah? Cause if they do I'm not interested.
 
Kiante said:
I don't know, I'm reserving my judgement until I see it.

Looks like the manufacturers have been chomping at the bit for sometime. This package might be good, it might be meh, or it might be a disaster. I'm not sold on it after watching the all-star race, it was okay, but I'm used to NASCAR throwing darts at the target to see of they stick.

Just more reason to look forward to Gen 7.
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Weve already seen it in the Xfinity series and Cup. My judgement has been met.
 
AdoubleU24 said:
So are they going to race like the all star race at 165mph or nah? Cause if they do I'm not interested.
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Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that the 2019 Rules were the one they showcased at this year's All Star Race.
 
FLRacingFan said:
Not sure how Steve reconciles "putting it back in the drivers' hands" with -200 HP and "adding downforce to stabilize handling". Seems counterintuitive to me.
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Indeed. This is a disaster to Nascar as a sport of skill. Nascar has been approaching a "Golden Era Of Skill-Based Racing" in the last two years, as good as Nascar racing has ever been. We still needed to get rid of side force, but that was the last remaining aero hurdle for Nascar.

Evidently, Nascar feels there are not enough fans who appreciate skill-based racing... and more casual fans want constant passing and constant wrecking for "entertainment"... slower cars passing faster cars then getting passed again means good racing to some. Well, f**k that! What entertains me is a contest of driving skill... the harder it is, the better I like it. I'm really, really pissed off about this.
 
StandOnIt said:
I do think that is a common chassis that has adjustability built into it. I heard something about that on one of the Nascar shows.
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I don't know what you heard, but the rules press release says nothing at all about a spec chassis. There was a rule made ~2 years ago mandating stronger footwell construction, IIRC. It was phased in, at first only required at plate tracks, then everywhere at a later date. This was done to avoid obsoleting the entire industry fleet overnight. I think this is what they are talking about.
 
I'll wait until actually racing because most of you have an amazing track record of being wrong. Seriously eat a Snickers
 
Mispeedway15 said:
I’m actually not opposed to this. While I love the almost sprint car type of racing we see today with high HP and low downforce, this is going to be more old school stock car racing.

It shouldn’t force pack racing at all and will benefit the best defensive drivers. Also tire wear should be much more prominent
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How do you figure no pack racing?
 
FLRacingFan said:
One little "experiment" became 13 races became 22 races. Exactly the type of rules creep NASCAR has shown before but we were supposed to believe otherwise. :idunno:

Not sure how Steve reconciles "putting it back in the drivers' hands" with -200 HP and "adding downforce to stabilize handling". Seems counterintuitive to me.

Especially sucks that Atlanta, Darlington, and Homestead will get the lowest HP.
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Agreed, it takes away from the skill of the driver, this is just another weak band aid attempt to address a long standing issue.
 
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best thing Nascar has done in years this should get some fans back to the track since everyone loved the all star race and wanted this package at all the mile and half tracks.
 
Formerjackman said:
If the target goal is 550 HP, then there isn't much of ANY reason to continue with the non-production race only engines. 550 HP falls easily into the wheelhouse of the production based engines used in IMSA, and those engines have the proven reliability to run 24 hours too.
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Been saying this for years, yet some here think switching engines is going to be too costly, how can this be true when those said engines are readily available at a decent price?
 
Mopardh9 said:
How do you figure no pack racing?
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There will still be throttle response as well as certain cars being faster. At Charlotte we saw 400 HP, here we’re gonna see 550 HP which will allow for a lot more getup. It’s going to be essentially Indycar type racing on ovals
 
StandOnIt said:
Here are three rules that have flown under the radar for next year. Is that a common chassis?
Other rules announced Tuesday to take effect in 2019:

• The previously announced enhanced vehicle chassis (EVC) will be mandatory at all races.

• NASCAR has reduced the amount of organizational tests for the calendar year from four to three. Additionally, Goodyear tire tests in 2019 will be conducted by three teams, down from the current four.

• NASCAR will expand the use of sealed engines next season, increasing to three long block seals in addition to keeping the current 13-race short block seal requirement.
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Spec racing
 
Mispeedway15 said:
There will still be throttle response as well as certain cars being faster. At Charlotte we saw 400 HP, here we’re gonna see 550 HP which will allow for a lot more getup. It’s going to be essentially Indycar type racing on ovals
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With everyone the same, no, it will be like plate racing.
 
I, for one, am not going to get all hot and lathered up one way or the other until I see what happens next year.
It may turn out to be great, it may turn out to be a flop. I'm just going to wait and see.
 
Mispeedway15 said:
There will still be throttle response as well as certain cars being faster. At Charlotte we saw 400 HP, here we’re gonna see 550 HP which will allow for a lot more getup. It’s going to be essentially Indycar type racing on ovals
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Not really. We will only see passing when there is help, instead of having a better feel for the handling and throttle control.
 
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