NASCAR considering radical changes to playoff system

SlicedBread22 said:
Honestly... I think NASCAR would be better off without the fans who are so opposed to everything they do. I've said it before and I'll say it again.
Cars + Track = Racing... Im satisfied.
The main thing I love about racing is every week... not every year. The championship is not as important to me from a fans stand point as the weekly races are. Now don't get me wrong, I love the intensity of a championship battle... but really who can say this won't produce more intensity in that battle. Yeah so a driver can win every race and blow a tire at Homestead and not win the cup... Guess he shouldn't have used those tire pressures or run over that debris. A non contender takes him out? Shouldn't have been around that guy... it all comes down to the decisions these drivers make on track and what their team does off track that will win them the cup.. so it may not be fair if someone is taken out by a non contender... who said it's supposed to be fair? Why should a guy in 20th I points not try to pass someone racing for a championship at Homestead and go for the win?.. Don't want to wreck fighting for position?... let him go. They're the ones who decide what to do, and when and how to do it.. and they're the ones who will suffer from it or reap the rewards. Luck is a big part of racing and if someone is unlucky enough to be taken out in the last race after dominating the first 35.. too bad for them.. so sorry... try again next year.
When it comes down to it... I'm going to watch every race the same as I did before cheer on the drivers I like and boo the ones I don't. Any fan that thinks otherwise... the sport is better off without you.
End of rant.
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Honestly... I think NASCAR would be better off without the "fans" who actually agree with the $h*t that NASCAR is doing to ruin the championship system.

The other statements that I bolded are the ones I find extra disgusting. The championship used to mean something when it was awarded to the best driver over a season. Now the championship will be a complete joke with way too much emphasis on luck.
 
PeopleAreStrange said:
Honestly... I think NASCAR would be better off without the "fans" who actually agree with the $h*t that NASCAR is doing to ruin the championship system.

The other statements that I bolded are the ones I find extra disgusting. The championship used to mean something when it was awarded to the best driver over a season. Now the championship will be a complete joke with way too much emphasis on luck.
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It is what it is... either enjoy it or be mad all the time...I couldn't care less lol
 
You guys don't get it eh? lol... They lose 10% of 10 million.... and gain 5% of 100 million... they come out ahead... it's pretty simple really...
 
SlicedBread22 said:
I think one of his main things is that there are waaay more casual fans and non fans than there are avid fans. They know were not going anywhere even if we hate it. They're trying to attract these other guys... It's not right but I'm thinking their train of thought is if they lose 10% of their avid fans and gain even 5% of the others... they come out ahead.
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nascar has been changing the game over and over again the last couple of years. the 10% our leaving were our the 5% to replace them? the stands look pretty empty to me
 
SlicedBread22 said:
You guys don't get it eh? lol... They lose 10% of 10 million.... and gain 5% of 100 million... they come out ahead... it's pretty simple really...
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If NASCAR loses any more of the ten million, there won't be a soul at the tracks. The 5% of the 100 million will only watch racing on TV.
 
Yes, non fans are really important.

Do I need to do the sarcasm thing again?
 
to me this is a gimmicky program that delegitimizes the champion, come on it really comes down to who runs the best in ONE friggen race. I think what they should have done is expanded the chase 2 or 3 more races. let that final 4 drivers duke it out in 3 races just like the other levels.
 
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SlicedBread22 said:
I think one of his main things is that there are waaay more casual fans and non fans than there are avid fans. They know were not going anywhere even if we hate it. They're trying to attract these other guys... It's not right but I'm thinking their train of thought is if they lose 10% of their avid fans and gain even 5% of the others... they come out ahead.
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FenderBumper said:
He's trying to impress his new wife.

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Isn't that the gal from Wheel of Fortune?
 
SlicedBread22 said:
You guys r dense....

They are the casual and non fans that Brian is trying to attract. I never said I agree with it at all...
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So, hold on...you say that you don't agree with what you and I believe is the thought process behind the creation of the new championship format, but you have said on numerous occasions that you like the new format itself and think it'll make things more exciting. You have also said that NASCAR is better off without fans that have the opposite view of yours and don't like what NASCAR is doing here.

Explain to me how that one works.
 
petty won 7 titles....under 4 diff point formats.

no big deal here......w/ changes.
same big teams will be at front at homestead

will just be 4 of 'em.....not 2 .......or in most yrs---only 1 !
i'm lookin forward to it !
 
Mr. Gregory said:
So, hold on...you say that you don't agree with what you and I believe is the thought process behind the creation of the new championship format, but you have said on numerous occasions that you like the new format itself and think it'll make things more exciting. You have also said that NASCAR is better off without fans that have the opposite view of yours and don't like what NASCAR is doing here.

Explain to me how that one works.
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I like the format.. don't like the idea that they are risking losing their long time fans. I understand the thought process behind it though.. I believe NASCAR would be better off without fans that complain about everything.. but I also said afterward in response to Johali that NASCAR does need all the fans it can get no matter what they think.. I just don't like seeing everyone complaining about it. The long time fans are the bread and butter and it sucks seeing them so up in arms over this.
 
I sent iRacing an e-mail thanking them for not ****** up with their own points system and keeping it consistent year in and year out.

No stupid Chase format on iRacing.com. :D
 
SlicedBread22 said:
I guess that is true... but I still see no point in complaining about everything.. if you love the sport... love it.
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There are aspects I do and don't love. Turns out that one of the things I don't, the championship, is kind of a big deal. A large part, maybe the largest part, of a driver's legacy is based on how many championships they win.
 
FLRacingFan said:
There are aspects I do and don't love. Turns out that one of the things I don't, the championship, is kind of a big deal. A large part, maybe the largest part, of a driver's legacy is based on how many championships they win.
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That's my main thing... I like the races individually... the championship gets exciting but the way they determine it has no bearing on my passion for the sport.... because after all... they still race.
 
SlicedBread22 said:
I like the format.. don't like the idea that they are risking losing their long time fans. I understand the thought process behind it though.. I believe NASCAR would be better off without fans that complain about everything.. but I also said afterward in response to Johali that NASCAR does need all the fans it can get no matter what they think.. I just don't like seeing everyone complaining about it. The long time fans are the bread and butter and it sucks seeing them so up in arms over this.
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LOL. You seem conflicted, Slice. You're a fish out of water, flipping and flopping. Just step into the light with the rest of us that hate this new championship format. You know you want to.
 
hawg dawg said:
petty won 7 titles....under 4 diff point formats.

no big deal here......w/ changes.
same big teams will be at front at homestead

will just be 4 of 'em.....not 2 .......or in most yrs---only 1 !
i'm lookin forward to it !
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Sounds like you don't understand the points system that's being proposed. This is going to be the most radical change ever. There are going to be multiple resets with this system, unlike one reset with the previous system and no resets before the chase. The champion will no longer be awarded to the best driver over a season (or the last 10 races), but will now be awarded to whoever is the luckiest driver through the last 10 races instead.

The points changes that Petty went through all had the same basic principle: The best driver over a season wins the championship. This format will be very far from that.
 
Mr. Gregory said:
LOL. You seem conflicted, Slice. You're a fish out of water, flipping and flopping. Just step into the light with the rest of us that hate this new championship format. You know you want to.
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No I do like it.. mainly because there's nothing I can do about it. I'm not going to waste my energy hating something I can't change. It will create excitement.. but the whole 1 race ending thing could definitely go terribly wrong.... Im more just looking forward to seeing how it plays out.
 
SlicedBread22 said:
I think one of his main things is that there are waaay more casual fans and non fans than there are avid fans. They know were not going anywhere even if we hate it. They're trying to attract these other guys... It's not right but I'm thinking their train of thought is if they lose 10% of their avid fans and gain even 5% of the others... they come out ahead.
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When it comes down to it, casual sports fans are still going to watch the NFL over NASCAR on fall Sundays. If they're able to maintain any significant gains with this format I'll be stunned. They'd be better off trying to focus on the cars and tracks rather than the championship in their never-ending quest to replicate the height of popularity from '05.

They don't think it be like it is, but it do.
 
PeopleAreStrange said:
Sounds like you don't understand the points system that's being proposed. This is going to be the most radical change ever. There are going to be multiple resets with this system, unlike one with the previous system and none before the chase. The champion will no longer be awarded to the best driver over a season (or the last 10 races), but will now be awarded to whoever is the luckiest driver through the last 10 races instead.

The points changes that Petty went through all had the same basic principle: The best driver over a season wins the championship. This format will be very far from that.
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Luckiest? You have to win to win.. drivers rarely luck into race wins. I get ur point.. but what is considered "the best over a season" is now changed.. lol it's the best at figuring out how to run this system that will take it... I highly doubt the champion will have less than 5 wins on the season with at least 2-3 in the chase.
 
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