NASCAR considering radical changes to playoff system

hawg dawg said:
wish i was 50 again ! fat chance a' that ! ha!
reality is tuff.
once nascar signed 820 mill /yr long term pact w/ fox/nbc....they became stakeholders.
nbc wanted nascar.....ta compete w/ nfl. ......not reverse....ta "lead into" sunday nite football.

here's funny twist...... new chase format comes out w/ tnt / espn in last yr.
if it flops....blame them....change it....when nbc comes on in '15.
if it's a success...nbc has a winnin deal.....goin into '15. ....an forward.

why else didn't nbc pick up tnt / espn '14 contracts ?
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Considering the the number of races NBCSN got, I'd say they wanted it more to expand distribution of that channel. You're not really going to compete with the NFL, especially not on cable - but you certainly can increase the number of homes you're in with NASCAR.

And both NBC and FOX expressed interest in taking over in 2014 but NASCAR declined.
 
FLRacingFan said:
Plenty has changed. 15 years ago a driver could win the first 35 races and be ahead by a bunch of points going into the finale. Now a driver could win the first 35 races and they'd still be at 0 going into the finale. Pretty much impossible, but there's no doubt the competition model has changed.
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15 yrs ago.....if 1 driver had won 1st 35 races.....we wouldn't be here now ! ha!
 
FLRacingFan said:
Considering the the number of races NBCSN got, I'd say they wanted it more to expand distribution of that channel. You're not really going to compete with the NFL, especially not on cable - but you certainly can increase the number of homes you're in with NASCAR.

And both NBC and FOX expressed interest in taking over in 2014 but NASCAR declined.
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cross-promotion is strong ! ....ie--super bowl.
 
fl.....pockrass or other big nascar writer...did breakdown on why nbc's big bid? ....last summer/fall.
 
FLRacingFan said:
I agree with most of what you wrote, although the peaks for Golf and Horse Racing aren't that far off from NASCAR's.

The thing is that it seems like the newer fan base NASCAR tried to build with the implementation of the Chase hasn't really seemed to materialize, and in doing so they also pissed off a lot of older fans. I have to wonder how many more things they can try. I think for the most part it's plateaued.
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It did that about 6 or 7 years ago when all the newbies were jumping on the bandwagon.
 
FLRacingFan said:
Which is, in general, what has occurred.
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If attendance is down and ratings are down, then less people are watching, doesn't take a fancy graph or a rocket scientist to figure this out. While I enjoy Watching a race, i watch a lot less of it now, used to watch flag to flag every lap. I'd even plan my weekend around watching a race, not anymore, it just doesn't have that wow factor anymore, and the addition of all thes gimmicks is going to make it worse in my opinion. I love racing, but I don't love Nascar like I used to, and I haven't been to a cup race since 2006. Some on here think I am a fair wether fan, that's the furthest thing from the truth, I care about the sport , but when a Mockery is made of it I'm going to do the natural thing and watch less.
 
hawg dawg said:
bout when newbies started havin better internet ?
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Nah don't think so Nascar was the "cool" thing to do about 10 years ago and like anything else it had its' 15 minutes of fame on top and now it's just another thing out there.
 
clarkfn2284 said:
Hahaha yeah maybe so. This stuff makes my head explode. Maybe I should take my own advice and just stop getting involved in it. I can't change the outlook of people and that's fine. I just wish people would see the opportunity in the changes and embrace before they talk them down right out of the gate. For a fanbase that has grown bored with a pretty stale product they still srent happy when something is done to try and change it up. NASCAR will never win.
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I'm not upset with the change simply because it's a change. When the Chase started in 2004, I wasn't totally against it because I knew that, in more seasons than not, championships were getting clinched before the last race of the year and the Chase would more than likely prevent that from ever happening again. While it somewhat diluted the validity of the championship, I accepted it with little resistance. However, the new system is just so stupid on so many levels, I can't bring myself to accept it. I'm not a "doomsday" fan who complains about everything NASCAR does, but I'm not a "white knight" fan who defends everything they do either.
 
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FLRacingFan said:
Plenty has changed. 15 years ago a driver could win the first 35 races and be ahead by a bunch of points going into the finale. Now a driver could win the first 35 races and they'd still be at 0 going into the finale. Pretty much impossible, but there's no doubt the competition model has changed.
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One damningly simple fact remains.. the champion after 36 races will have earned it.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
The best solution for NASCAR would be to race at more short tracks but that will never happen because short tracks don't have the facilities to accommodate the fans, media, sponsors and etc. I wish all the tracks that were built in the 90s and 2000s weren't brobdingnagians but they were and we're stuck with them.
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What the hell is a "brobd" ......................... never mind I dont even want to know
 
Mopardh9 said:
If attendance is down and ratings are down, then less people are watching, doesn't take a fancy graph or a rocket scientist to figure this out. While I enjoy Watching a race, i watch a lot less of it now, used to watch flag to flag every lap. I'd even plan my weekend around watching a race, not anymore, it just doesn't have that wow factor anymore, and the addition of all thes gimmicks is going to make it worse in my opinion. I love racing, but I don't love Nascar like I used to, and I haven't been to a cup race since 2006. Some on here think I am a fair wether fan, that's the furthest thing from the truth, I care about the sport , but when a Mockery is made of it I'm going to do the natural thing and watch less.
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^^^This^^^

TRUE race fans know that there's a lot more to the sport we love, and that it doesn't begin and end with NASCAR. I turned a race on ONCE after the Richmond fiasco last year, and it was for 'Dega. Barely watched any of it. And since 1980 or so, I planned my weekend and looked forward in anticipation to every single race. Now, not so much. I Do still plan my weekends around the race track, but that race track is the one where the racers are scrapping for every position every lap, where they run heat races, where they often run for nothing more than a trophy.
 
What can I say? They're looking for a new demographic ..and I'm part of it.

Why wouldn't I think just based off of that that they must be doing something right?
 
FLRacingFan said:
"Earned" is used loosely in this case.
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Sure.. but they still will have to make it to the final round... IMO anyone who makes it there has earned the right to it even if it's because the others wrecked.

Kind of like the Sea Hawks winning the super bowl lol
 
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SlicedBread22 said:
What can I say? They're looking for a new demographic ..and I'm part of it.

Why wouldn't I think just based off of that that they must be doing something right?
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.....Also I've said before that the chase is one of the things that I first liked about NASCAR when I started watching it... I remember I was excited when I first heard about it. Mostly because I was always a hockey fan, so I liked the idea of a playoff system.

I distinctly remember saying something like.. "NASCAR has playoffs?! I never knew that! Nice!"

.....haven't missed a race since.

..and now they're making it even more like Hockey lol or football or whichever stick n ball sport...

This is what NASCAR is going for IMO.. and it worked in my case so I have no reason to believe it wouldn't work for others.
 
SlicedBread22 said:
Sure.. but they still will have to make it to the final round... IMO anyone who makes it there has earned the right to it even if it's because the others wrecked.

Kind of like the Sea Hawks winning the super bowl lol
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The Seahawks were the best team all year.
 
SlicedBread22 said:
Well whatever nevermind then lol.. I don't follow football I thought Denver was... you could tell me any team was and I wouldn't know the difference
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They tied for best regular season record (13-3) but Seattle had both a stronger SOS and SOV.
 
SlicedBread22 said:
.....Also I've said before that the chase is one of the things that I first liked about NASCAR when I started watching it... I remember I was excited when I first heard about it. Mostly because I was always a hockey fan, so I liked the idea of a playoff system.

I distinctly remember saying something like.. "NASCAR has playoffs?! I never knew that! Nice!"

.....haven't missed a race since.

..and now they're making it even more like Hockey lol or football or whichever stick n ball sport...

This is what NASCAR is going for IMO.. and it worked in my case so I have no reason to believe it wouldn't work for others.
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On the contrary, I found it interesting that NASCAR's championship system best approximated the top driver over the course of the season. Most sports don't do anything other than simply determine a winner.

I remember when NASCAR used to parrot "Everything else is just a game" all the time, and now they're trying to become pretty much everything else.
 
FLRacingFan said:
On the contrary, I found it interesting that NASCAR's championship system best approximated the top driver over the course of the season. Most sports don't do anything other than simply determine a winner.

I remember when NASCAR used to parrot "Everything else is just a game" all the time, and now they're trying to become pretty much everything else.
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Makes sense.. I understand why there are people who don't like it.. but I also understand why NASCAR is doing what they're doing, and don't disagree with it. That's just my opinion of it.
 
I mean take a look at how the entire world has changed over the past 15 or so years. Everything is through the internet now and it's just a different time. NASCAR is just changing to adapt to it.. is it the right move? Who knows.. might be. It's human nature to dislike change or things they don't understand or to just simply point out things they don't like.. so of course there will be an overwhelming disagreement with such drastic changes. I think it'd be abnormal if there wasn't.. but that doesn't make it a bad thing.

There was a point in time when chemistry was considered witchcraft and scientists were burned at the stake.... I know that about as far away from any likeness to this I could get.. but I think I got my point across lol
 
SlicedBread22 said:
I mean take a look at how the entire world has changed over the past 15 or so years. Everything is through the internet now and it's just a different time. NASCAR is just changing to adapt to it.. is it the right move? Who knows.. might be. It's human nature to dislike change or things they don't understand or to just simply point out things they don't like.. so of course there will be an overwhelming disagreement with such drastic changes. I think it'd be abnormal if there wasn't.. but that doesn't make it a bad thing.

There was a point in time when chemistry was considered witchcraft and scientists were burned at the stake.... I know that about as far away from any likeness to this I could get.. but I think I got my point across lol
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BUT DALE SR WON HIS FAIR EN SQUARE MHM
 
DSquad48 said:
BUT DALE SR WON HIS FAIR EN SQUARE MHM
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I sometimes wish I was watching NASCAR back when he was around... but then I think I wouldn't enjoy it was much today. Based on the overwhelming consensus against the chase and this new format. I'm glad I started following NASCAR when I did.
 
FLRacingFan said:
Considering the the number of races NBCSN got, I'd say they wanted it more to expand distribution of that channel. You're not really going to compete with the NFL, especially not on cable - but you certainly can increase the number of homes you're in with NASCAR.

And both NBC and FOX expressed interest in taking over in 2014 but NASCAR declined.
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NASCAR is the one and only reason FX and FOX Sports 1 are household channels.
 
Nobody is going to luck their way into that last group of four.
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You are probably right. There is a chance a wild card can succeed. Imagine Kurt Busch last year with a smaller team making a real run for the Cup under the new rules, I'm pretty sure something like that would have given us a lot to talk about.
 
clarkfn2284 said:
Not attending races absolutely means something, but TV contracts are where the money is really at. It has b een that way in every sport. Look at the LA Dodgers. Their TV deal is outrageously lucrative. Same goes for the Yankees and Red Sox.

Its one thing to complain about the product, but at the end of the day if you are tuning in its pointless. Its the same as complaining about driving down a bumpy road and complaining about it every day yet every morning you continue to take the same road to work. If you have to complain about it and you can control it then stop it. If you get bent out of shape by the changes in the format then don't watch. That's how you can have it your way. If enough of that ilk stop watching changes will be made. The only problem is you will be watching every single time its on. So just embrace it and then at the end of the season come back and make an assessment then.

If you read back through the thread you will see it mentioned multiple times about how NASCARis more about entertainment as opposed to a sport. I don't have the energy to go find it all.
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I don't like the way nascar determines the champion. IMO it was a hollow championship determined by 10 races, now by a single race. That doesn't mean I have to stop watching the races during the season, does it? I still enjoy watching the races, so why should I stop? I just think the championship has very little credibility due to nascar's continually altering the points for dramatic affect. How is saying that "getting bent out of shape"?

It's an internet message board. The reason we are here is to voice our opinions. What is pointless you telling people they need to stop doing that....

Hey everybody, you need to stop posting your opinions about the new point system at a place specifically designed for the purpose of people posting their opinions, if you don't like the new point system!

Good luck with that.
 
gordonite said:
I don't like the way nascar determines the champion. IMO it was a hollow championship determined by 10 races, now by a single race. That doesn't mean I have to stop watching the races during the season, does it? I still enjoy watching the races, so why should I stop? I just think the championship has very little credibility due to nascar's continually altering the points for dramatic affect. How is saying that "getting bent out of shape"?

It's an internet message board. The reason we are here is to voice our opinions. What is pointless you telling people they need to stop doing that....

Hey everybody, you need to stop posting your opinions about the new point system at a place specifically designed for the purpose of people posting their opinions, if you don't like the new point system!

Good luck with that.
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That has always irked me. Why come to a message board just to tell people to shut up and don't talk about this or that? When I first started posting here, the place was full of those types of nannies. It was so bad, many members simply lurked because they were afraid to post something and have the nanny pack rip them to pieces.

It's a very strange hobby, for sure.
 
FenderBumper said:
UFC.
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Nope. FOX Sports 1 is clinging to SPEED's old carriage agreement on several providers - most notably DIRECTV. Once the SPEED carriage agreement ends, FS1 will probably end up being blacked out since FOX wants three times as much money per subscriber for a channel that's getting considerably lower ratings than SPEED.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Nope. FOX Sports 1 is clinging to SPEED's old carriage agreement on several providers - most notably DIRECTV. Once the SPEED carriage agreement ends, FS1 will probably end up being blacked out since FOX wants three times as much money per subscriber for a channel that's getting considerably lower ratings than SPEED.
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lol You can't just admit that the UFC is a huge part of FS1's programming?

Fox want's MORE money than providers payed for speed. Providers said no, and the old speed contract remains while FS1 builds demand with programming content, which includes tons of UFC content.
 
FenderBumper said:
lol You can't just admit that the UFC is a huge part of FS1's programming?

Fox want's MORE money than providers payed for speed. Providers said no, and the old speed contract remains while FS1 builds demand with programming content, which includes tons of UFC content.
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The demand for FOX Sports 1 isn't there. UFC won't help FOX because the title fights are on PPV and people go to the bar to watch those or watch online on various pirated streams. FOX Sports 1 is incredibly stupid to make UFC the centerpiece for their programming. UFC didn't help VERSUS and it didn't help FUEL TV. Numerous networks have put all their eggs in the MMA basket and they've all failed.

Contrary to what the media says, MMA is not as popular as they want it to be and it's not "the new NASCAR". Mainstream sports fans watch UFC's title fights and that's it. They don't watch the countless MMA shows on FOX Sports 1, FOX Sports 2 and every other sports channel. They're not going to go watch fights at their local fight club.

I've said it before and I'll say it again -- MMA, as a whole, gets way too much exposure because it's cheaper to produce and televise an MMA bout than it is to produce and air just about any other sport.
 
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