Discussion in 'NASCAR chat' started by Biggreen695, Jul 7, 2018.

  1. Biggreen695

    Biggreen695 Team Owner

    Getting to be a pain to try to keep up with the old thread, so I figured I’d go ahead and start the new one.

    So far we have -

    Furniture row trying to get the 77 back on track, Christopher Bell the likely candidate at this time.

    Jimmy Johnson needing full time sponsorship

    Kurt Busch potentially out of the 41

    What else am I missing?

    Haven’t seen him post in a long tome, but, @Allenbaba any input? Surprised to expect for next year?

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  2. kkfan91

    kkfan91 Taking a 10-200

    Thought Stewart Haas was on record that they expected all 4 drivers back
  3. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    They are

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  4. DSquad48

    DSquad48 Wizard/Mall Santa

    Chad Knaus contract is up this year
  5. Cholo

    Cholo Team Owner

    I wouldn't be surprised to see Kurt retire.
  6. kkfan91

    kkfan91 Taking a 10-200

    Just seems like Bayne will be out of the 6
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  7. Biggreen695

    Biggreen695 Team Owner

    He was in a good spot to win last night till the calamity caught up with him

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  8. LJ7201

    LJ7201 Crew Chief

    Losing Kurt would be a bigger loss than it appears, having knowledgeable veterans is invaluable. Just look at SHR vs. HMS and how each of their lineups are faring. I believe losing Kenseth was a blow to JGR as well.
  9. Fordracing7

    Fordracing7 2018 Pick em Champion

    6 -Kenseth
    JRM Xfinity- Bayne

    77- Bell or if funded is not found 2020 for Sure! He is way too good to not get to cup by then.

    Custer spends one more year in Xfinity cup in 2020

    All no changes last year was nuts and I think 2020 will be nuts again


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  10. Snappy D

    Snappy D 2017 Pick Em Champion 2018 Bold Predictor

    Forgive me but I don’t think I ever ever seen a dirt road course in my life, do they even exist?
  11. kkfan91

    kkfan91 Taking a 10-200

    According to the comments when NASCAR ran this race in 1956 the track wasn't technically paved, and maybe the Daytona Beach course depending on what you want to call a road course, other then that I'd think any dirt road course is a rallycross or trophy truck track
  12. AuzGrams

    AuzGrams Team Owner

    Hopefully the 77 is back and Kenseth in the 6 full time would be a boost for Roush-Yates.
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  13. Team Penske

    Team Penske Team Owner

    Penske moved Blaney and crew in house to the 12 and Menard to the 21.
    That is a change NO?
  14. Michfan

    Michfan Team Owner

    He's saying all of those teams had changes
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  15. Fordracing7

    Fordracing7 2018 Pick em Champion

    We are talking about "silly season 2019"

    Like @Michfan said I was talking about last year as in last year was nuts there was a ton of changes. I.e. Blaney to the 12.
  16. FLRacingFan

    FLRacingFan Team Owner

    I have nothing to base this off of but I could see Newman retiring.
  17. Kiante

    Kiante Team Owner

    Newman still has a lot if life left in him, I can't see him leaving RCR right now. He's still better than Austin and Ty, also his input is far too valuable to lose atm. Or do you see Hemric moving up? If South Point is behind Hemric, then I could see it happening.
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  18. wi_racefan

    wi_racefan Crew Chief

    Talent means nothing. Newman will be there as long as he has sponsorship dollars behind him. Look at Menard at RCR, how long did he stay with lackluster results?

    I don't see South Point throwing down that kinda money for a cup ride for Hemric if they wouldn't do it for family (maybe a select few races)
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  19. Privateer

    Privateer Crew Chief

    Drivers I would not be surprised if they get shuffled around next year:

    -Johnson (retirement)
    -Kurt Busch (retirement)
    -Bayne (pretty easy to see, might be more the car's fault but you can either get someone more experienced to work out the problems or start out anew)
    -Kahne (Hendrick no longer paying the salary -> possible retirement)
    -McMurray (I just wouldn't be surprised, comparing his performance to Larson's, and it would be a pretty Chip Ganassi move)
    -Ragan (never understood how he has a full-time ride, unlike Casey Mears it's not even a famous last name excuse)
    -Suarez (there's 24 cars on the grid more or less that are capable of being contenders for wins, and out of those he's 20th, he's close to the point being young and gaining experience can't be the excuse, I think he'll make it to year 3 but the results better improve in year 3 unless the money's on him and not the car)
    -Ty Dillon (okay, granted he's driving for Germain, they stood pat with Casey Mears for years, and he's Childress' grandson, but the only full-time driver he's ahead of in points is Matt DiBenedetto in a car with far less available resources, at what point does Richard ask if there's anything there? he probably fits in the Suarez category of I think he'll get a year 3)
  20. LouieLouie

    LouieLouie Team Owner

    JJ/Kurt Busch - I think they will both be back for another year. I think Chad moves on from Jimmy because I think they both want to see if they can succeed with a different driver/crew chief/team.

    Bayne - It makes sense for Bayne to move on no matter what. They moved on from him even though it sounds like he was right about the problems they are having. I hope he finds another team that he can help improve and I somewhat hope Kennseth sticks up for him a little bit.

    Kahne - I don't think Kahne goes anywhere. I think he likes it there and might take a discounted salary to be there for another year or two, but that only lasts so long.
    McMurray - I wouldn't be surprised if McMurray retires also, but I think Chip likes him and will keep him on the payroll somehow. Maybe over in IMSA.
    David Ragan still has 2 wins even though they are at restrictor plate races. I think his salary being low enough keeps him employed.
    Suarez - I think Suarez has money behind him and isn't going anywhere anytime soon.
    Dillon - Same thing for Ty Dillon. I don't think he is getting the RCR equipment at Germain but his results certainly don't show anything so far. They will give him another two three years before they start pulling the plug there.

    What about DiBenedetto? Is he finally going to get a real ride opportunity?
    How about Buescher, Allmendinger, and Wallace? How much time do those guys have left?
    I hope all four get to stick around, but there seems to be a lot of talent on the rise.
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  21. Biggreen695

    Biggreen695 Team Owner

    I think you’ll see Jeb burton in a JRM car before Bayne

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  22. Fordracing7

    Fordracing7 2018 Pick em Champion

    Depends on Advocare..
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  23. jws926

    jws926 Nissan Is Love, Nissan Is Life

    Johnson is signed through 2020 , I dont see him breaking his contract this early, I see JJ finishing his current contract, he has given no indication that is ready to retire, he said not too long a go that he expects to be racing for a few more years if I recall. Doenst mean he cant work something out with HMS to make 2019 his last year.

    Kurt, I see him returning , all indications are that he will be back right now, but beyond 2019, I would not be surprised if 2019 is his last at SHR , but I see him being around for about the same amount of time that JJ is within a year give or take.
    Bayne, dont ever care to be honest.
    Kahne, I see him being back, he and the 95 team are having a something decent year so far, I could almost see him finishing out is career at LFR
    Mcflurry , yeah, I dont know, it could goeither way and neither would be surprising.
    Suarez, Drive For Diversity, he aint going anywhere for a while, if I am not mistaken, Arris and him are somewhat a package deal, he has a ton of talent ,but some crappy luck at the same time, he had some good runs this year go bad all thanks to racing bad luck.
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  24. Towmater

    Towmater Ratings Craterville

    His house was up for sale. says it is off the market. No idea if he sold it. I think he should either retire or run Indy Car. I'll miss him when he leaves the sport.
  25. jws926

    jws926 Nissan Is Love, Nissan Is Life

    Its amusing that a driver selling his house is an indication of retirement:laugh:, maybe him and his new SO wanted to get house for them, I know, its a crazy concept, it could mean a lot of things really.

    Carry on.
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  26. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    Like his mega rich wife doesn't have any houses, or need any space for her polo ponies. ;)
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  27. Towmater

    Towmater Ratings Craterville

    It could mean a lot of things or it could mean the way SHR treated him at the end of last year was an indicator of what would happen at the end of this year. Kurt's and Bowyer's teams aren't fully funded, and it is rumored that Harvick is gonna have Jimmy Johns say "bye, bye". Getting rid of a huge house on the lake is a nice way to relieve yourself of a monster house payment when your income has shrunk. As your belittling post points out, maybe she isn't in love with the lake house. He isn't from there, and neither is she. Oh and if he ain't driving then why live in the Charlotte area? Not a lot tying them to the (cough, cough) major metropolitan area of Charlotte.:D

    Carry on :rolleyes:
  28. kkfan91

    kkfan91 Taking a 10-200

    If RCR moved Hemric up to replace Newman I could see them putting Jeb in that car, though more likely split it with Shane Lee.
  29. Privateer

    Privateer Crew Chief

    I hope DiBenedetto gets to move up. I was more focusing on drivers leaving or going down since that's how the openings get created. Wallace will stay at Petty unless he has a mountain of sponsorship cash behind him that gets him a ride higher up in the field - plausible, although I think such a situation occurring would be disastrous for the Petty team.

    Buescher may have opportunities, may not. Allmendinger I think has gone about as high as he's going to go in his career. There's more promising options out there with higher upsides than him.

    I agree that if he does stay around, Johnson and Knaus split. Everything there just seems stale. The pit penalty the 48 experienced and Knaus' comment on the radio I thought was pretty embarassing for Knaus that's considered the sneaky master of everything.

    "Suarez - I think Suarez has money behind him and isn't going anywhere anytime soon."

    Someday we'll get the truth on why Edwards retired when he did. Haha.
    Last edited: Jul 10, 2018
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  30. wi_racefan

    wi_racefan Crew Chief

    I think the pit penalty is a result of having slow cars. When you have slow cars you tend pour everything into trying to make speed and start overlooking things like that. When you have fast cars you look in other areas to gain an advantage
  31. 3wideinturn1

    3wideinturn1 Team Owner

    Or more simply when the car is fast, you can overcome those mistakes. When the car is slow those mistakes can ruin your race and become magnified, like in that instance.
  32. FLRacingFan

    FLRacingFan Team Owner

    I just don't know how much longer he wants to run for them. They haven't been legitimately good for years and he'll be 41 when next season rolls around. If he were still with SHR, I could see him staying, but I don't think there's really much left to accomplish with RCR unless he really enjoys the mentor role.

    I'll be glad to see him run the Truck race at Eldora next week.
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  33. Team Penske

    Team Penske Team Owner

    There was nothing about that stop having anything to do with speed. I think there are problems at HMS and Rick isn't on top of it. I am referring to the shop itself and then at the track.

    Other than weathermen, how many people can keep their jobs being wrong many times? I have noticed a lot of mistakes these last 2 yrs because people don't know the rules or can't recall them as quick as required. That includes drivers as well.
    A gas man following the car as it leaves WAS a common occurrence. Not allowed this year so whose fault was that penalty?? I blame the pit crew coach for not making the changes needed with today's 5 man crew? Jack man has to be cleared by BOTH tire changers AND the gasman. Personally I think the Crew Chief has to be the one to clear the driver to take off.
  34. Charlie Spencer

    Charlie Spencer Short tracks and road courses rule.

    Agreed, but isn't he watching to see if there are other cars approaching on pit road that may cause problems when the driver exits? Or does the spotter do that?
  35. Team Penske

    Team Penske Team Owner

    Not really sure Rev. I would think once the driver has been counted down to his pit spot everything else is the Crew Chief's responsibility.
    This switch to a 5 man crew has really given some teams a real headache. Is the $60,000 - $80,000 savings worth it? :rolleyes:
  36. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    Johnson's penalty was because the fuel man just stood there and continued fueling the car when the jack dropped and didn't remove it while it drug him along. In this case it doesn't matter how many or how few crewman there were.
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  37. BradBlaney

    BradBlaney Crew Chief

    I wonder if Briscoe comes up if Kurt retires or doesn't sign an extension
  38. LJ7201

    LJ7201 Crew Chief

    Is Briscoe the next man up at Ford? I thought it would be Custer or maybe Cindric
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  39. Charlie Spencer

    Charlie Spencer Short tracks and road courses rule.

    Last I'd heard, Kurt wasn't going anywhere. See SOI's post #3 above.
  40. kkfan91

    kkfan91 Taking a 10-200

    For SHR I'd imagine its Custer coming, Cindric end up at Penske and Briscoe probably Roush Fenway.

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