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yep tomorrow is another day, cars on track.And, this thread has gotten way off track. More Death Bed than Silly Season.
yep tomorrow is another day, cars on track.And, this thread has gotten way off track. More Death Bed than Silly Season.
And, this thread has gotten way off track. More Death Bed than Silly Season.
Still a no show in Bayne/Kenseth...lol.
The results have been almost the same. If Kenseth is the better driver then he should be able to take same equipment and produce better results. Doing that is what get's younger drivers noticed and rides.
. Not if the car sucks. The days are long gone when a good driver could carry a bad car. Do you think it was coincedence that for much of the season you could throw a blanket over all four Hendrick drivers? Do you think William Byron and Jimmie Johnson are equals in the talent department?The results have been almost the same. If Kenseth is the better driver then he should be able to take same equipment and produce better results. Doing that is what get's younger drivers noticed and rides.
There were some reports last month that kenseth was testing parts for future use in the #17. Parker Kliggerman reported that. That could be part of the reason for the lack of production. I still feel relatively confident that Matt can out drive Bayne. Matt recently said he thought they were starting to make some strides .. was hoping for some top 10 performances down the stretch, but wasn't sure they would get there yet this year .
I'm not buying that. I see and hear in-car audio of drivers pedaling the gas of these low downforce cars forever off corners, fighting to get back to full throttle. I see them spinning out, or sliding up out of the groove with great frequency. I'll take Harvick, you take Bowyer. I'll take Larson, you take McMurray.Gone are the days of a driver carrying a car.
Thanks. I appreciate you dong the digging and taking one for the team.https://twitter.com/nascar19fan2015
I'm scrolling through their tweets right now. So far, it looks like he/she just retweets/regurgitates whatever rumors are flying around. Notably, I saw a few retweets regarding the recent "KBM to Cup!" rumor.
When I get back farther in their timeline (they are quite active so that will take some scrolling!) maybe I'll be able to see if they made any predictions that came true.
Oh, this person also appears to be a big Carl Edwards fan...lots of tweets/retweets that somehow concern Carl. And the last few days, not a few years ago when Carl was still racing.
Yeah, but there's nothing to guarantee those sponsors will come to JGR, either directly or with Truex bringing them. That sounds more short-sighted to me, but I'm not in the bidness.You're thinking short-term. Long term is that the other team isn't a competitor for the same sponsorship money, isn't a competitor for Toyota money/information, isn't a competitor for a driver causing the salary to go up in a bidding war, etc because they are either off the board completely or they have been handicapped to a 2nd or lower level team.
Neither Jones nor Suarez have Kenseth's experience either. The last time the team dealt with a rookie was Logano, and we all know how well that turned out. Hamlin did well, but it may be the team just good at bring young drivers into Cup.neither Jones or Suarez combined has come close to matching Kenseth's record at Gibbs. He ain't winning.
Kenseth's championship was back in the day when the champion was crowned for the bestHe's got a guy in the 18 car that's winning this year, and WAS GIVEN a championship in 2015. What year was Kenseth's championship again? BTW, smart phones were introduced after Kenseth won his last championship. The other two guys are new and cost a lot less.
I'm not buying that. I see and hear in-car audio of drivers pedaling the gas of these low downforce cars forever off corners, fighting to get back to full throttle. I see them spinning out, or sliding up out of the groove with great frequency. I'll take Harvick, you take Bowyer. I'll take Larson, you take McMurray.
Granted, the margins are thinner than back in prior decades. A top driver can't carry a dog slow car all the way to victory lane, but he can carry it 5 or 10 or 15 spots higher than an average driver, IMO.
I don't believe they've developed one yet to pull the beast with.If I lived in town, I'd probably have a little electric car for running errands.
And here in Texas, particularly out West, unless they could get the mileage up to hundreds at highway speed, just not practical.
I have a hard time seeing why Matt Kenseth can't at least put up the results Ricky has. Or maybe Stenhouse is better than we thought.
I have a hard time seeing why Matt Kenseth can't at least put up the results Ricky has. Or maybe Stenhouse is better than we thought.
Here's the broad summary: 5hr left. They spent close to $10m. JGR raised their asking price by a ton. FRR has not yet found enough new money. They've had very little time. There are real deadlines the team has to meet (like, now). Barney (as of today) is unwilling (personally) & unable (as far as Furniture Row marketing dollars) to backstop any financial shortfall, therefor he is unwilling to sign & commit to anything that must be committed to in order to run next season. He only wants to race if he can win, so it's hard for him to go backwards at this point in his life after all this recent success by fielding a team without the means (lack of budget and likely lack of talent...Cole, etc, who he won't be able to pay what they can get elsewhere) to run in the top 10 each week, much less win. As of today, Barney doesn't feel like "rebuilding" like most professional sports teams do when they start losing and dump/trade the high priced stars.Why is the 78 car/truex might not be running next year?? I’m so confused . He just won a championship and runs good every year.. why wouldn’t they have enough money next year or sponsorship ?
Here's the broad summary: 5hr left. They spent close to $10m. JGR raised their asking price by a ton. FRR has not yet found enough new money. They've had very little time. There are real deadlines the team has to meet (like, now). Barney (as of today) is unwilling (personally) & unable (as far as Furniture Row marketing dollars) to backstop any financial shortfall, therefor he is unwilling to sign & commit to anything that must be committed to in order to run next season. He only wants to race if he can win, so it's hard for him to go backwards at this point in his life after all this recent success by fielding a team without the means (lack of budget and likely lack of talent...Cole, etc, who he won't be able to pay what they can get elsewhere) to run in the top 10 each week, much less win. As of today, Barney doesn't feel like "rebuilding" like most professional sports teams do when they start losing and dump/trade the high priced stars.
Sadly, if they close, the headlines will read "Last year's championship team unable to compete any longer in sponsor dry NASCAR" But it should read "Last year's championship team chooses not to stay in the sport and rebuild back into a power house." The headline most in the know would love to see would read "JGR makes it impossible for FRR to compete at the same high level" but whatever. If they shut down, we'll get stuck with the "NASCAR is dead" narratives.
Look...the truth is, all of this might change tomorrow. Barney has been known to change his mind more times than a girl shopping for her prom dress. Right now he's sticking to the "we can't afford to race at the level we need to be at" stance. Hopefully he'll reconsider. That wouldn't surprise me in the least.
The Preacher is cutthroat......take out your support team that’s been beating your brains in by raising your asking price therefore putting them out of business and then potentially sign that driver/CC combo. What a weasel.Here's the broad summary: 5hr left. They spent close to $10m. JGR raised their asking price by a ton. FRR has not yet found enough new money. They've had very little time. There are real deadlines the team has to meet (like, now). Barney (as of today) is unwilling (personally) & unable (as far as Furniture Row marketing dollars) to backstop any financial shortfall, therefor he is unwilling to sign & commit to anything that must be committed to in order to run next season. He only wants to race if he can win, so it's hard for him to go backwards at this point in his life after all this recent success by fielding a team without the means (lack of budget and likely lack of talent...Cole, etc, who he won't be able to pay what they can get elsewhere) to run in the top 10 each week, much less win. As of today, Barney doesn't feel like "rebuilding" like most professional sports teams do when they start losing and dump/trade the high priced stars.
Sadly, if they close, the headlines will read "Last year's championship team unable to compete any longer in sponsor dry NASCAR" But it should read "Last year's championship team chooses not to stay in the sport and rebuild back into a power house." The headline most in the know would love to see would read "JGR makes it impossible for FRR to compete at the same high level" but whatever. If they shut down, we'll get stuck with the "NASCAR is dead" narratives.
Look...the truth is, all of this might change tomorrow. Barney has been known to change his mind more times than a girl shopping for her prom dress. Right now he's sticking to the "we can't afford to race at the level we need to be at" stance. Hopefully he'll reconsider. That wouldn't surprise me in the least.
Everyone has been exploring their options.But at some point doesn’t Truex have to make a move. How much more time do you think he can give Barney? @Allenbaba
More people want Cole (and his people) than MTJ. But MTJ does come with Bass Pro. But when you put all of them together (MTJ, Cole, Bass Pro) as a package, they can pretty much do whatever they want with whatever team they want.What interests me is if he DOES leave, what are the odds of the remaining 78 car sponsorship going with him? I would think if he went to the 41, somebody would have to replace the Monster money that seems tied to Kurt. If he went to the 19 (that would be the ultimate backstab to Barney Visser) I would suspect he would have to replace the Arris money. As many teams that would like to have him, especially if he comes with Cole, It gets complicated really quick when you have to figure out who's going to pay the bills.
I’m really surprised Chevy with HMS, CGR or RCR isn’t doing anything to sign that FRR at least from what you have reported so farMore people want Cole (and his people) than MTJ. But MTJ does come with Bass Pro. But when you put all of them together (MTJ, Cole, Bass Pro) as a package, they can pretty much do whatever they want with whatever team they want.
As far as people saying they'd be "backstabbing Barney" by going to JGR, that's just not true. It's all business. If Barney wants them, he'll keep them. If not, they can (and should) go wherever they want to go.
Everyone has been exploring their options.
More people want Cole (and his people) than MTJ. But MTJ does come with Bass Pro. But when you put all of them together (MTJ, Cole, Bass Pro) as a package, they can pretty much do whatever they want with whatever team they want.
As far as people saying they'd be "backstabbing Barney" by going to JGR, that's just not true. It's all business. If Barney wants them, he'll keep them. If not, they can (and should) go wherever they want to go.
Great, now I'm picturing Barney in a prom dressHere's the broad summary: 5hr left. They spent close to $10m. JGR raised their asking price by a ton. FRR has not yet found enough new money. They've had very little time. There are real deadlines the team has to meet (like, now). Barney (as of today) is unwilling (personally) & unable (as far as Furniture Row marketing dollars) to backstop any financial shortfall, therefor he is unwilling to sign & commit to anything that must be committed to in order to run next season. He only wants to race if he can win, so it's hard for him to go backwards at this point in his life after all this recent success by fielding a team without the means (lack of budget and likely lack of talent...Cole, etc, who he won't be able to pay what they can get elsewhere) to run in the top 10 each week, much less win. As of today, Barney doesn't feel like "rebuilding" like most professional sports teams do when they start losing and dump/trade the high priced stars.
Sadly, if they close, the headlines will read "Last year's championship team unable to compete any longer in sponsor dry NASCAR" But it should read "Last year's championship team chooses not to stay in the sport and rebuild back into a power house." The headline most in the know would love to see would read "JGR makes it impossible for FRR to compete at the same high level" but whatever. If they shut down, we'll get stuck with the "NASCAR is dead" narratives.
Look...the truth is, all of this might change tomorrow. Barney has been known to change his mind more times than a girl shopping for her prom dress. Right now he's sticking to the "we can't afford to race at the level we need to be at" stance. Hopefully he'll reconsider. That wouldn't surprise me in the least.
More people want Cole (and his people) than MTJ. But MTJ does come with Bass Pro. But when you put all of them together (MTJ, Cole, Bass Pro) as a package, they can pretty much do whatever they want with whatever team they want.
As far as people saying they'd be "backstabbing Barney" by going to JGR, that's just not true. It's all business. If Barney wants them, he'll keep them. If not, they can (and should) go wherever they want to go.
It is sad to see Joe Gibbs strongarm a team and make our sport look bad.
Gone are the days of a driver carrying a car.
Don't tell Kyle Busch.
Amen. Could you imagine if Hendrick could get Cole Pearn in house? It would do wonders in so far as filling the void left when they lost Rex...I’m really surprised Chevy with HMS, CGR or RCR isn’t doing anything to sign that FRR at least from what you have reported so far
John Hunter Nomochecks.John Hunter Need-a-Check?![]()
Kyle does a good job but lets see his KBM Xfinity car in victory lane.
Does this count? lol
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Like @AuzGrams that was Kurt who got it there. Kyle couldn't win in his own car, which is why the team didn't last long as his talent I guess wasn't good enough to win in that car. Kurt did tho.
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