SILLY SEASON 2019

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  1. nitetrain

    nitetrain Crew Chief

    Joe Ruttman. Then Morgan Sheppard. Then Ricky Rudd.
     
  2. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    Gilliland goes down with the slamming of the gavel
     
  3. Formerjackman

    Formerjackman Team Owner

    Pretty close. Bernstein bought the team from Bobby Hawkins (car 16), I believe out of Spartanburg SC and David Pearson drove for Hawkins for most of the team's starts and David's son Ricky was the crew chief. I am unclear on just when McReynolds joined the team, but he was there when Bernstein bought it. Bernstein's drivers in the renumbered 26 car where, Joe Ruttman, Morgan Shephard, Ricky Rudd, Brett Bodine, and then Steve Kinser made five starts in 1995 before being replaced by Hut Strickland. At the end of the year, Bernstein left NASCAR. Total results: 3 wins (Two by Rudd and the bogus Brett Bodine at N. Wilkesboro), 40 top fives and 99 top tens.
     
  4. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    is he family?
     
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  5. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Team Owner

    I really thought Jones was a phenom and someone that would contend in races and win. So far it hasn’t happened and there is nothing indicating it will anytime soon. It makes sense to sign him as I’m sure his salary is low but his upside is still high. Give him a 2 year deal and if he hasn’t improved by the end of it cut him loose.
     
  6. Charlie Spencer

    Charlie Spencer Short tracks and road courses rule.

    We're only seven races into the season but right now he's behind Suarez in the points, with a year more of Cup experience.
     
  7. LewTheShoe

    LewTheShoe Team Owner

    Wrong thread IMO. @StandOnIt please start a new "Silly Season 2020" thread and re-post this. It's really the first item I can think of that is definitely 2020 silly season. It seems to start a bit earlier every year... in Nascar and other forms of racing as well.
     
  8. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    used to put stuff like this in the death bedders thread, but they are in full denial that Nascar isn't dying so I'll let them live the lie. Wondering if we should start a sponsor thread, some of us buy sponsored products to support the sport and some fans work or are affiliated with sponsors.
     
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  9. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    pretty clever
     
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  10. LewTheShoe

    LewTheShoe Team Owner

    Yes, by all means (IMO). "Silly Season" threads are really for employment news, rumors, and speculation of drivers and other key industry people... not sponsorship. A separate thread to collect news, etc. concerning sponsors would be highly appropriate. Go for it, SOI.

    Inevitably, there would be some overlap, such as the recent news that Gibbs had extended Mars and Kyle Busch. But no matter, post that to both threads, IMO.
     
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  11. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    Ok when I run on to some or anyone else for that matter runs on to sponsorship news, start a thread.
     
  12. Charlie Spencer

    Charlie Spencer Short tracks and road courses rule.

    "@TocoWarranty, a vehicle repair coverage provider,"

    Isn't that the same business model as the company that screwed over Rusty?
     
  13. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    huh? :cuckoo:
     
  14. Charlie Spencer

    Charlie Spencer Short tracks and road courses rule.

    I recall Rusty Wallace's team for Steven has a primary sponsor that was in the after-market auto warranty service, one that turned out to have financial issues. Obviously there's a difference in the reliance on a primary sponsor vs. a 4-race deal, and just because one company in an industry is a loser doesn't mean they all are.

    I was mostly looking for confirmation that my memory was clear on the deal.
     
  15. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    might make a good trivia question. :D
     
  16. Formerjackman

    Formerjackman Team Owner

    Yes, Stephan Wallace was sponsored by US Fedelis in the Busch Series and Rusty was the spokesperson for them. The company ran into financial trouble (extended car warranties are one of the biggest rips offs and scams in car ownership) and the Wallace team had to curtail operations. Whether the company left actually owing Rusty any money, I can't say.
     
  17. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    There ya go Charlie..want to try potent potables for 800?
     
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  18. Charlie Spencer

    Charlie Spencer Short tracks and road courses rule.

    I'd like to buy a vowel, Pat. Are there any spades?
     
  19. AuzGrams

    AuzGrams Team Owner

    Haven't been impressed with Jones but it's not like he's stunk it up or performed below expectations. He deserves 2 more seasons after this.
     
  20. Team Penske

    Team Penske Team Owner

    I think he has performed below expectations, very much below. Of course with 1 win he could double his win column. :p
     
  21. Revman

    Revman Stop asking me about the package!

    He will be fine. He won before The Chosen, and has just two fewer wins that The Chosen. He suffers from not having a show. Erik will be a JGR for a long time driving MY almighty TRD powered Toyota Camrys and maybe Supras after that. Remember how patient we were with The Chosen.
     
  22. Revman

    Revman Stop asking me about the package!

    What did you say about The Chosen? Erik is fine.
     
  23. Formerjackman

    Formerjackman Team Owner

    Well, I'll say it. I have no real opinion on Jones one way or another, but I would wager that if the "Chosen one" had a JGR car, he'd be in the ten win neighborhood by now. I feel pretty certain he'd have at least four, although I'm not TOTALLY sure Denny wouldn't wreck a teamamte for the win. ;)
     
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  24. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    I think Denny is fine now that the preacher hooked up the shocking device for pit road overspeed. He seems more mellow now.:D I predict the Jones boy who is contractless will get the axe at the Toyota revolving door driver development program. It seems that Bell wears the smirk that he knows something the rest of us don't.
     
  25. Fordracing7

    Fordracing7 2018 Pick em Champion

    I hope jones stays in the 20 car for a while....less competition that way :)
     
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  26. Revman

    Revman Stop asking me about the package!

    There is absolutely no way Erik is going anywhere. Neither is Bell. Geez.
     
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  27. Revman

    Revman Stop asking me about the package!

    I wouldn't say that....How many did he throw away in a Chevy? The car isn't going to fix that.
     
  28. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    Bell could go where Larson went if Kurt is done. That's a decent cup seat that could be open next year.
     
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  29. Charlie Spencer

    Charlie Spencer Short tracks and road courses rule.

    Kurt's running top 10. I know he's on a one-year contract, but why would he be going anywhere?
     
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  30. Team Penske

    Team Penske Team Owner

    If he remains top 10 all season and Larson doesn't improve, I suspect he will be offered an extension provided he can keep the sponsors on board.
     
  31. gnomesayin

    gnomesayin Team Owner

    He ran top ten last year too. It's a weird business.
     
  32. wi_racefan

    wi_racefan Crew Chief

    His past still makes it hard to aquire sponsorship

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  33. He has some skeletons that industry folks are well aware of, by association the sponsors do to
     
  34. Team Penske

    Team Penske Team Owner

    Maybe Kurt was given a 1 yr deal because as usual, Monster only does 1 yr deals.
    Tony never wanted Kurt at SHR, he was a Hass thing and eventually Tony won out.
    I doubt SHR worked at getting Kurt more sponsorship than needed. Once Harvick
    leaves ( his CC will also) SHR will become a second rate team. JMO
     
  35. Privateer

    Privateer Crew Chief

    Well so far this year, there are only 2 first-rate teams and Stewart-Haas are the best team that has not won a race yet by a pretty wide margin.
     
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  36. Privateer

    Privateer Crew Chief

    Jeff Gluck post-Bristol had an interesting point of how the same guys are up front and winning for a couple years now and ventured that the reason why is the newer drivers (3 years or less) are just not that good when compared to highly touted "young guns" of the past (Gordon of course or the drivers that came in in the early to mid-00s and seemed to compete almost instantly). Everyone is just waiting for these guys to get up there and they can't do it outside of the odd race. He was wondering if the state of the NASCAR Cup series currently and how the racing works is that experience equals talent instead of talent being some abstract measure where a 20-year-old is equivalent to a 40-year-old. Some of the drivers just don't have the horse underneath them to compete of course, but there's plenty of drivers that are in sweet rides...and they're just running around the midfield. On the flipside you have Truex who for years was little more than a glorified midfielder and suddenly when this mass change of the grid took place the past 4 years won a title and almost a 2nd.
     
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  37. DaBiff1618

    DaBiff1618 Team Owner

    In about 2 seasons worth of starts Erik has 35 top tens and a win, along with two poles. He’s not setting the world on fire by any means but he’s been consistent and runs top 10-15 every week. Not a bust by any means it’s his third season
     
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  38. Team Penske

    Team Penske Team Owner

    Sometimes a driver gets very lucky ( ends up with the best of all things like Kyle Bush)
    and it makes him look great. For Truex it was the combination of a desperate team that got a glimpse of what it could be with a decent driver (Kurt) mixed in with some great help from Toyota/JGR and then lucked into a great CC/driver combo. They also had a JGR pit crew.
    I doubt that all the stars line up very often in a drivers career. I would say Gordon/Evernham and Johnson/Knaus are prime examples
     
  39. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

  40. ReturnTrip

    ReturnTrip Team Owner


    I think we're seeing the effects of buschwhacking, failed crossover drivers (Speed, Danica, Ambrose, Montoya, Hornish, Franchitti, etc...), and the recent loss of several veterans leading to a huge talent void. In the next few years you'll have Newman, Johnson, Harvick, Kurt Busch, Bowyer, and Hamlin retiring. Keselowski isn't exactly young at 35, Carl Edwards walked away at 36/37. In five years we'll be left with Kyle Busch and Joey Logano taking turns winning races. Save us.
     

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