SILLY SEASON 2019

nitetrain said:
The original driver of the Quaker State #26. JOE RUTTMAN then
MORGAN SHEPPARD.

KENNY BERSTIEN bought the team from a guy last name Hawkins. I believe the #13 Carolina Tool Team. With Larry Mac. came along as crew chief.
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Pretty close. Bernstein bought the team from Bobby Hawkins (car 16), I believe out of Spartanburg SC and David Pearson drove for Hawkins for most of the team's starts and David's son Ricky was the crew chief. I am unclear on just when McReynolds joined the team, but he was there when Bernstein bought it. Bernstein's drivers in the renumbered 26 car where, Joe Ruttman, Morgan Shephard, Ricky Rudd, Brett Bodine, and then Steve Kinser made five starts in 1995 before being replaced by Hut Strickland. At the end of the year, Bernstein left NASCAR. Total results: 3 wins (Two by Rudd and the bogus Brett Bodine at N. Wilkesboro), 40 top fives and 99 top tens.
 
StandOnIt said:
is he family?
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I really thought Jones was a phenom and someone that would contend in races and win. So far it hasn’t happened and there is nothing indicating it will anytime soon. It makes sense to sign him as I’m sure his salary is low but his upside is still high. Give him a 2 year deal and if he hasn’t improved by the end of it cut him loose.
 
IanMcVittie said:
I really thought Jones was a phenom and someone that would contend in races and win. So far it hasn’t happened and there is nothing indicating it will anytime soon. It makes sense to sign him as I’m sure his salary is low but his upside is still high. Give him a 2 year deal and if he hasn’t improved by the end of it cut him loose.
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We're only seven races into the season but right now he's behind Suarez in the points, with a year more of Cup experience.
 
StandOnIt said:
is he family?
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Wrong thread IMO. @StandOnIt please start a new "Silly Season 2020" thread and re-post this. It's really the first item I can think of that is definitely 2020 silly season. It seems to start a bit earlier every year... in Nascar and other forms of racing as well.
 
used to put stuff like this in the death bedders thread, but they are in full denial that Nascar isn't dying so I'll let them live the lie. Wondering if we should start a sponsor thread, some of us buy sponsored products to support the sport and some fans work or are affiliated with sponsors.
 
StandOnIt said:
Wondering if we should start a sponsor thread...
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Yes, by all means (IMO). "Silly Season" threads are really for employment news, rumors, and speculation of drivers and other key industry people... not sponsorship. A separate thread to collect news, etc. concerning sponsors would be highly appropriate. Go for it, SOI.

Inevitably, there would be some overlap, such as the recent news that Gibbs had extended Mars and Kyle Busch. But no matter, post that to both threads, IMO.
 
StandOnIt said:
huh? :cuckoo:
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I recall Rusty Wallace's team for Steven has a primary sponsor that was in the after-market auto warranty service, one that turned out to have financial issues. Obviously there's a difference in the reliance on a primary sponsor vs. a 4-race deal, and just because one company in an industry is a loser doesn't mean they all are.

I was mostly looking for confirmation that my memory was clear on the deal.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
I recall Rusty Wallace's team for Steven has a primary sponsor that was in the after-market auto warranty service, one that turned out to have financial issues. Obviously there's a difference in the reliance on a primary sponsor vs. a 4-race deal, and just because one company in an industry is a loser doesn't mean they all are.

I was mostly looking for confirmation that my memory was clear on the deal.
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might make a good trivia question. :D
 
Yes, Stephan Wallace was sponsored by US Fedelis in the Busch Series and Rusty was the spokesperson for them. The company ran into financial trouble (extended car warranties are one of the biggest rips offs and scams in car ownership) and the Wallace team had to curtail operations. Whether the company left actually owing Rusty any money, I can't say.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
We're only seven races into the season but right now he's behind Suarez in the points, with a year more of Cup experience.
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Haven't been impressed with Jones but it's not like he's stunk it up or performed below expectations. He deserves 2 more seasons after this.
 
IanMcVittie said:
I really thought Jones was a phenom and someone that would contend in races and win. So far it hasn’t happened and there is nothing indicating it will anytime soon. It makes sense to sign him as I’m sure his salary is low but his upside is still high. Give him a 2 year deal and if he hasn’t improved by the end of it cut him loose.
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He will be fine. He won before The Chosen, and has just two fewer wins that The Chosen. He suffers from not having a show. Erik will be a JGR for a long time driving MY almighty TRD powered Toyota Camrys and maybe Supras after that. Remember how patient we were with The Chosen.
 
Well, I'll say it. I have no real opinion on Jones one way or another, but I would wager that if the "Chosen one" had a JGR car, he'd be in the ten win neighborhood by now. I feel pretty certain he'd have at least four, although I'm not TOTALLY sure Denny wouldn't wreck a teamamte for the win. ;)
 
I think Denny is fine now that the preacher hooked up the shocking device for pit road overspeed. He seems more mellow now.:D I predict the Jones boy who is contractless will get the axe at the Toyota revolving door driver development program. It seems that Bell wears the smirk that he knows something the rest of us don't.
 
StandOnIt said:
I think Denny is fine now that the preacher hooked up the shocking device for pit road overspeed. He seems more mellow now.:D I predict the Jones boy who is contractless will get the axe at the Toyota revolving door driver development program. It seems that Bell wears the smirk that he knows something the rest of us don't.
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There is absolutely no way Erik is going anywhere. Neither is Bell. Geez.
 
Formerjackman said:
Well, I'll say it. I have no real opinion on Jones one way or another, but I would wager that if the "Chosen one" had a JGR car, he'd be in the ten win neighborhood by now. I feel pretty certain he'd have at least four, although I'm not TOTALLY sure Denny wouldn't wreck a teamamte for the win. ;)
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I wouldn't say that....How many did he throw away in a Chevy? The car isn't going to fix that.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Kurt's running top 10. I know he's on a one-year contract, but why would he be going anywhere?
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If he remains top 10 all season and Larson doesn't improve, I suspect he will be offered an extension provided he can keep the sponsors on board.
 
Maybe Kurt was given a 1 yr deal because as usual, Monster only does 1 yr deals.
Tony never wanted Kurt at SHR, he was a Hass thing and eventually Tony won out.
I doubt SHR worked at getting Kurt more sponsorship than needed. Once Harvick
leaves ( his CC will also) SHR will become a second rate team. JMO
 
Team Penske said:
Maybe Kurt was given a 1 yr deal because as usual, Monster only does 1 yr deals.
Tony never wanted Kurt at SHR, he was a Hass thing and eventually Tony won out.
I doubt SHR worked at getting Kurt more sponsorship than needed. Once Harvick
leaves ( his CC will also) SHR will become a second rate team. JMO
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Well so far this year, there are only 2 first-rate teams and Stewart-Haas are the best team that has not won a race yet by a pretty wide margin.
 
IanMcVittie said:
I really thought Jones was a phenom and someone that would contend in races and win. So far it hasn’t happened and there is nothing indicating it will anytime soon. It makes sense to sign him as I’m sure his salary is low but his upside is still high. Give him a 2 year deal and if he hasn’t improved by the end of it cut him loose.
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Jeff Gluck post-Bristol had an interesting point of how the same guys are up front and winning for a couple years now and ventured that the reason why is the newer drivers (3 years or less) are just not that good when compared to highly touted "young guns" of the past (Gordon of course or the drivers that came in in the early to mid-00s and seemed to compete almost instantly). Everyone is just waiting for these guys to get up there and they can't do it outside of the odd race. He was wondering if the state of the NASCAR Cup series currently and how the racing works is that experience equals talent instead of talent being some abstract measure where a 20-year-old is equivalent to a 40-year-old. Some of the drivers just don't have the horse underneath them to compete of course, but there's plenty of drivers that are in sweet rides...and they're just running around the midfield. On the flipside you have Truex who for years was little more than a glorified midfielder and suddenly when this mass change of the grid took place the past 4 years won a title and almost a 2nd.
 
In about 2 seasons worth of starts Erik has 35 top tens and a win, along with two poles. He’s not setting the world on fire by any means but he’s been consistent and runs top 10-15 every week. Not a bust by any means it’s his third season
 
Privateer said:
Jeff Gluck post-Bristol had an interesting point of how the same guys are up front and winning for a couple years now and ventured that the reason why is the newer drivers (3 years or less) are just not that good when compared to highly touted "young guns" of the past (Gordon of course or the drivers that came in in the early to mid-00s and seemed to compete almost instantly). Everyone is just waiting for these guys to get up there and they can't do it outside of the odd race. He was wondering if the state of the NASCAR Cup series currently and how the racing works is that experience equals talent instead of talent being some abstract measure where a 20-year-old is equivalent to a 40-year-old. Some of the drivers just don't have the horse underneath them to compete of course, but there's plenty of drivers that are in sweet rides...and they're just running around the midfield. On the flipside you have Truex who for years was little more than a glorified midfielder and suddenly when this mass change of the grid took place the past 4 years won a title and almost a 2nd.
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Sometimes a driver gets very lucky ( ends up with the best of all things like Kyle Bush)
and it makes him look great. For Truex it was the combination of a desperate team that got a glimpse of what it could be with a decent driver (Kurt) mixed in with some great help from Toyota/JGR and then lucked into a great CC/driver combo. They also had a JGR pit crew.
I doubt that all the stars line up very often in a drivers career. I would say Gordon/Evernham and Johnson/Knaus are prime examples
 
Privateer said:
Jeff Gluck post-Bristol had an interesting point of how the same guys are up front and winning for a couple years now and ventured that the reason why is the newer drivers (3 years or less) are just not that good when compared to highly touted "young guns" of the past (Gordon of course or the drivers that came in in the early to mid-00s and seemed to compete almost instantly). Everyone is just waiting for these guys to get up there and they can't do it outside of the odd race. He was wondering if the state of the NASCAR Cup series currently and how the racing works is that experience equals talent instead of talent being some abstract measure where a 20-year-old is equivalent to a 40-year-old. Some of the drivers just don't have the horse underneath them to compete of course, but there's plenty of drivers that are in sweet rides...and they're just running around the midfield. On the flipside you have Truex who for years was little more than a glorified midfielder and suddenly when this mass change of the grid took place the past 4 years won a title and almost a 2nd.
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I think we're seeing the effects of buschwhacking, failed crossover drivers (Speed, Danica, Ambrose, Montoya, Hornish, Franchitti, etc...), and the recent loss of several veterans leading to a huge talent void. In the next few years you'll have Newman, Johnson, Harvick, Kurt Busch, Bowyer, and Hamlin retiring. Keselowski isn't exactly young at 35, Carl Edwards walked away at 36/37. In five years we'll be left with Kyle Busch and Joey Logano taking turns winning races. Save us.
 
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