State Of The Sport

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  1. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Car Chief

    The crisis started years before this idea was floated.
     
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  2. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    you might look better informed if you would take the time to read the transcript instead of a 20 something reporter who isn't any where's close to being a knowledgeable source of information

    Q. There have been various people lobbying for changes to the
    schedule, shortening the season. Which kind of changes as NASCAR
    evolves do you feel are most realistic to happen in regards to the
    schedule and shortening the number of tracks you go to, and what's not
    in play? Are there some things that are so engrained in the sport that
    you're not willing to consider changing?
    STEVE PHELPS
    : In short answer, I think everything is in play. So,
    we've heard from our fan base that they would like to see more short track
    racing. They want to see more road courses. They want to see less cookie
    cutter tracks, whatever that means.
    I think that we are looking with our broadcast partners and with our
    tracks and with our teams and drivers to get input on what each of them
    believes would be an ideal schedule, and then we're obviously doing fan
    research as part of it. So, do I believe that everything is on the table? I do.
    Will we see a lot of the things that have been talked about, so more short
    tracks, more road courses, double headers, midweek racing, pulling the
    season forward? All those things would be in play. I don't know what's going
    to happen, but we are working diligently on what a 2020 schedule would be.
    As soon as we have something to talk about, we will get to you.
     
  3. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Car Chief

    IMO this sort of thing is taken far to seriously by the giddy optimists. When someone has to revert to name calling and calling others liars it is sad.
     
  4. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    It is more entertaining catching lairs in the act myself. The big whopper kinds. oh yeah
     
  5. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    what they get caught bare faced it is sad for them. Some have to continually change their identities, but they keep coming back for more, you would think they would learn something.
     
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  6. gnomesayin

    gnomesayin Team Owner

    You're a grass roots short track racing fan first and foremost, correct? You know the resilience of that kind of racing, and how huge audiences aren't needed to sustain it. It endures because of the relatively few who love it.

    Social media and streaming technology make more forms of racing more available and easier to follow than ever before.

    The 'crisis' exists in two ways. People who became mega-rich from NASCAR in the '00s aren't able to get as rich anymore. Followers who are more worried about how popular what they watch is than how good it is will have to find another bandwagon.

    Every harmful, misguided change that NASCAR has made has been an attempt to chase non-racing fans who will not be pleased regardless: elimination playoffs, drafting rules package, etc. Preaching the sky is falling mindset only leads to more needless desperation.
     
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  7. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    It isn't a matter of admitting anything is wrong. Listening to the same snarky comments that do nothing to advance the sport is tiring at the very least. If you want to be the poster boy for that I wouldn't expect any fan to lay down on ya.Saying Nascar is in trouble over and over, doesn't solve a thing. Here is what the new president said below. I believe there is something in there for everybody. Do I think it all will happen? nope, but I do believe some of it will. Brian's gone.


    we've heard from our fan base that they would like to see more short track
    racing. They want to see more road courses. They want to see less cookie
    cutter tracks, whatever that means.
    I think that we are looking with our broadcast partners and with our
    tracks and with our teams and drivers to get input on what each of them
    believes would be an ideal schedule, and then we're obviously doing fan
    research as part of it. So, do I believe that everything is on the table? I do.
    Will we see a lot of the things that have been talked about, so more short
    tracks, more road courses, double headers, midweek racing, pulling the
    season forward? All those things would be in play. I don't know what's going
    to happen, but we are working diligently on what a 2020 schedule would be.
    As soon as we have something to talk about, we will get to you.
     
  8. Mopardh9

    Mopardh9 Team Owner Contributor

    My roots are in short track Modifieds yes, but I've also been to Vegas for 6 Cup races, 2 Cup at The Glenn, one at Phoenix, one at Bristol and 3 at New Hampshire. I supported NASCAR in what they did, but after the farce of Chase was part if it, then all the other gimmicks followed, I chose not to attend another Cup race.
     
  9. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Car Chief

    Steady on Amigo! Where is it written that forum members are to compse posts that advance Nascar? If you are composing posts that sugarcoat or bend the truth you are no better than the mouthpieces at Nascar. People should write what they think not what will benefit Nascar.
     
  10. Mopardh9

    Mopardh9 Team Owner Contributor

    He's right on.
     
  11. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    oh yeah he is :D
     
  12. Revman

    Revman May God Bless Coach Joe Gibbs and all JGR Fans

    I will give you the State of the Sport....

    When we take the cars and the technology out of the equation as NASCAR is trying really hard to do, we are left comparing our "athletes" (kind of) with stick and ball athletes. It looks like this:

    upload_2018-11-23_14-25-0.jpeg Vs. upload_2018-11-23_14-25-49.jpeg

    Questions? Didn't think so.

    Market this sport as it should be marketed. Stop trying to keep up with stick and ball. Let's dive into what makes our sport different. Let's talk about the technical aspects of the sport. Let's talk about the cars. Let's talk about how our drivers (screw the "athlete" bull****) interface with these machines. Let's talk about a race weekend. Let's talk about strategy. Let's quit talking about accessibility when there really isn't any unless you are affiliated with somebody. Let's open garages the way Phoenix and Las Vegas have...but no, we search for stupid storylines, and personality features. This is so ******* simple. It really is, but NASCAR insists on chasing its ass. Frustrating as hell.
     
  13. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    I agree, the chase screaming was hard to take. They spent too much time especially in the early races of the levels or whatever ya call them spending all the time talking about points and they were missing the rest of the racing I thought. The focus should be on the racing, who's car isn't handling, who's is. Who is moving up, they missed a lot of that unless it was one of the chase cars.
     
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  14. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Car Chief

    I said you were wrong for expecting people to compose posts that promoted Nascar. How can that possibly construed as being passive agrresive mi amigo?
     
  15. Mopardh9

    Mopardh9 Team Owner Contributor

    Finally you are making some sense:D
     
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  16. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Car Chief

    Sounds good to me but I’m skeptical of ever seeing something you described. Never say never though
     
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  17. Team Penske

    Team Penske Team Owner

    Almost all 1.5 mile tracks which were built for IRL and maybe F1 could be adapted to short track status with very little construction. Many of them could also be a combination short track and road course.
     
  18. Revman

    Revman May God Bless Coach Joe Gibbs and all JGR Fans

    I agree with this. I have attended one Chase race, and the race is lost. Each one of these events is a story in itself. You don't need to look for storylines. The race is the storyline.
     
  19. Revman

    Revman May God Bless Coach Joe Gibbs and all JGR Fans

    Great post. Tremendous.
     
  20. Mopardh9

    Mopardh9 Team Owner Contributor

    I'm not so much preaching the sky is falling as I am being a realist. Shark had a pretty cool idea about the state of NASCAR in the podium. Have shorter races, 25 car fields, tour the short tracks, even have mid week races, and get back to the grass roots of the sport at the older tracks. I could see drivers liking the racing , but being a little less than enthusiastic about the purses, but there would be more races kind of like what the Woo does, only on a smaller scale.
     
  21. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Car Chief

    The whole “sky is falling” thing is used by people to move goalposts and shut off debate. IDK any regular participant here that feels Nascar is going out of business anytime soon.
     
  22. Mopardh9

    Mopardh9 Team Owner Contributor

    Not soon that's for sure, but if the decline continues like it is, I can see NASCAR being on some obscure channel and pretty much forgotten part of motorsports.
     
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  23. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Car Chief

    I agree as you can only take double digit losses each year for so long before there is not much left. Not that long ago races there were not many races that had less than 4 million viewers. Next year there will probably be a half dozen races with less than 2 million viewers.

    I do think Nascar will always be around in some form as if Eastman-Kodak is still with us anything is possible. IMO Nascar will need to have less races, smaller fields and shorter races.
     
  24. Towmater

    Towmater Ratings Craterville

    The state of the sport is that the new management has finally noticed that the TV ratings are cratering, and that painting the empty seats in the stands isn't working. "Everything" is finally on the table in an attempt to right the ship. Gotta applaud that!
     
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  25. Greg

    Greg 2014 RF YAHOO CHAMP Your leader

    Well they all may not be as bad or have the Denny like the TRD stable of drivers do....
     
  26. Mispeedway15

    Mispeedway15 Team Owner

    See this is why more short tracks is not the way to go. We all love them but Jesus Michigan gets more eyeballs than the Bristol night race or Martinsville playoff race. Think about that.

    I’m a process engineer for Honda and can tell you right now the number one thing in collaborating with production managers is going over what succeeds and what does not in their opinion, and comparing it to the stats of the operation. Tempers can occasionally flare but it’s a marriage of listening to what works on the floor, and ultimately what the numbers demand.

    I have had season tickets since the 90s to MIS and have no problem admitting I’d rather watch at Martinsville. Yet numbers wise the fans want Michigan/Talladega
     
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  27. Mopardh9

    Mopardh9 Team Owner Contributor

    Because they want to see the big one, I'm not sure I agree with those numbers either.
     
  28. Mispeedway15

    Mispeedway15 Team Owner

    How do you disagree with TV ratings?
     
  29. Mopardh9

    Mopardh9 Team Owner Contributor

    They are not always accurate.
     
  30. FLRacingFan

    FLRacingFan Team Owner

    Short tracks won’t save the planet but Michigan didn’t have to run on Saturday night or NFL Sundays. Those hurt Bristol and Martinsville.
     
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  31. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Car Chief

    People will tune into Nascar if there is nothing else to do but once it faces even tepid competition it folds like a house of cards.
     
  32. Mopardh9

    Mopardh9 Team Owner Contributor

    Come on everything is fine, Nascar is doing good, plenty of viewers!;)
     
  33. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Car Chief

    If you listen to Phelps, France and the apologists here that is what you will be told.
     
  34. Mopardh9

    Mopardh9 Team Owner Contributor

    I know, i was being sarcastic, too many apologists here, but hey if they want that warm and fuzzy feeling when they say the state of Nascar is fine....so be it, they are just kidding themselves.
     
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  35. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Car Chief

    Reality is something some peope would prefer not to see and that is their choice. On the other hand I prefer to know the good and bad coming at me so I can formulate a plan.
     
  36. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    which button to push. decisions decisions.
     
  37. Mopardh9

    Mopardh9 Team Owner Contributor

    We already know what one you pushed.
     
  38. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Car Chief

    A lot of people enjoy Nascar and don’t give a hoot about attendance or ratings Some others enjoy Nascar and try and apply lipstick to a pig.
     
  39. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    so that is reality? are you hooting now or ya have the lipstick. Decisions decisions state of the sport..
     
  40. LouieLouie

    LouieLouie Team Owner

    "They want to see less cookie cutter tracks, whatever that means."

    This made me cringe. I know they need to keep promoting the cookie cutters for now, but if they really don't know which tracks are cookie cutters, then the new management is the same as the old management.
     

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