The Announcers Thread

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  1. StandOnIt

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    Huh? does that mean Hendrick with his stake is Johnson only gives 40%..and BTW I don't believe those figures..just trying to make a lame joke.
     
  2. StandOnIt

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  3. Ventisca

    Ventisca Team Owner

    JG will earn my respect if he calls out both the Chevy program and the current list of underperforming Chevy drivers. He's spot on about Chase helping NASCAR marketing if their MPD can also get to the Final Four.

    One thing I heard from no one last year was how Chase can race for victory on 3 different style tracks (road, 1.0, 1.5), Austin can win the Daytona 500 (super speedway) -- and place no blame on the Chevy program for having underperforming drivers or cars. Which is it? Which combination is it? Explore THAT.

    KyLar pushing his Chevy to the limits because he has to just to get a glimpse of the front -- but like KuBu said, KyLar goes up there and eventually makes contact. Can KyLar manage his risk better with a lousy car, or is he ahead of other drivers like Jamie McMurray because they aren't going to swing for the fence.

    Will JG speak out critically against Bowman, Jimmie, Byron, and the HMS horse they rode in on?

    But to be fair, JG was only heard the first half of 2018 when Team Chevy -- cars and drivers -- when Chevy might still turn around their season.
     
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  4. StandOnIt

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    It's been my experience a driver really has to pull a hell of a bonehead before an announcer goes off on em(KDB/Hornaday) it seldom happens. Analyst Larry Mac on the Fox side usually does harder style call outing of manufacturers and teams. Gordon did a good job of sizing up the drivers. When I listen to Burton's Dr. Phil's on the NBC side I want to puke most of the time. I think Gordon is becoming a hell of an announcer and I really think he enjoys it. The sport needs more like him, he's done his homework IMO.
     
  5. Formerjackman

    Formerjackman Team Owner

    I still don't understand your point., but there IS a conflict of interest in the deal. In my opinion, Jeff, as well as Dale Jr. need to decide if they want to be broadcasters or car owners in this sport, and NOBODY should be allowed to be both at the same time.
     
  6. Team Penske

    Team Penske Team Owner

    I don't understand why not. Both these men have knowledge that regular media don't
    and lets face it, neither one can change the dynamics of the race from the booth.
    Being on the box they can.
    If either one seems to be hyping their own car or driver when it isn't warranted they would only be making fools of themselves. I think the fans are very smart and can decide for themselves.
     
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  7. StandOnIt

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    there isn't a conflict of interest in this case. It is a car owner under contract and being paid to announce the race by a broadcasting company.
     
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  8. Formerjackman

    Formerjackman Team Owner

    The very fact that Dale Jr's presence on the race broadcasts enhances his marketability, which in turn can be used to help him land sponsors for his race team is absolutely a conflict of interest. The same goes Gordon, as it did for the Waltrip brothers, Larry Mac, Jeff Hammond, Brad Daugherty, and anybody else that has pulled water from both sides of the trough. It bothers me enough that there isn't enough HONEST assessment of teams and drivers performance and actions among the announcers that DON'T have a vested interest, let alone those that do. Picture Tony Stewart in the NBC booth when the big penalty against the 4 car came down last fall. Do you REALLY think Tony would delve into the fact that besides the spoiler being mounted in the wrong place, it was an illegal copy of the correct part, and why HIS employees would go to that extent to break the rules? I think not.
     
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  9. StandOnIt

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    The networks have been using X footballers as commentators for the NFL, X Hockey players for hockey games and X Drivers and racing personnel for years. Sorry you have a problem with it, but it is a free market. This isn't an area where it isn't illegal BY LAW.
     
  10. Formerjackman

    Formerjackman Team Owner

    Using ex-athletes as commentators is fine. Using ones that have a financial interest in the teams they are covering is NOT in my opinion. No, it's not illegal, but not that long ago it would have been thought of as unethical.
    I didn't SAY it was illegal or should be illegal, I'm just pointing out that it's unethical and if the TV networks had any standards, (which we know they don't), they wouldn't do it. There are plenty of former drivers and crew chiefs out there that can do the job that don't have any current financial connection to a race team.
     
  11. Formerjackman

    Formerjackman Team Owner

    Well, the other side of the aisle invented the practice of hiring people that still have ties to current administrations decades ago and passing off their work as unbiased news instead of opinion (George Stephanopoulos anyone?) but you KNOW if Fox hired Don Jr. the world would just explode.
     
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  12. StandOnIt

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    Oh I thought you were saying it was a conflict of interest. Now it is unethical..got ya.
     
  13. DIDIT

    DIDIT Old School Fan

    Man, ever day I see this thread updated and come here hopeful that the networks finally came to their senses and are changing the announcers for NASCAR and they way they cover the races. Every day I am disappointed...
     
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  14. Formerjackman

    Formerjackman Team Owner

    It's unethical BECAUSE it's a conflict of interest.
     
  15. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Team Owner

    I would not want an NFL team owner, sports agent or eqipment supplier etc in the booth as I want things to be at arm’s length.

    I don’t think the arm’s length applies to Nascar as the broadcasts are not professional and the whole series seems less sport to me than stick and ball.
     
  16. Formerjackman

    Formerjackman Team Owner

    Well, when you use active car owners to report on the teams they own and their competitors, it has the look of not being very professional. No surprise that you would get that impression.
     
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  17. StandOnIt

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    I do see some of your point, especially when their kid or close relation is in the race. Listening to Burton the last couple of years express his Toyota love for all things Yota when on the other hand young son Burton is a Toyota development driver needing all the help he can get, or years ago it was hilarious listening to the announcing of hot tempered Rusty who was not only footing the bill as a car owner but had his doofus son who goes by Steve, but became with gritted teeth Steven Wallace as he wadded up yet another Rusty Wallace race car. I believe every year they play the Ned and Dale Jarrett's Daytona win show on the tube. Been going on for years, I suspect it will continue. and so what IMO.
     
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  18. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Team Owner

    My opinion only but I feel the entire sanctioning body could do with a jolt of professionalism. I think they need to decide if they want to be a serious sport or half sport and half sideshow.
     
  19. Formerjackman

    Formerjackman Team Owner

    I don't have an issue with the Jarrett, because Ned was a TV and radio broadcaster LONG before Dale came on the scene, and you can't really control the fact your son followed into your profession, and it's not if Ned had a financial interest any of the teams Dale drove for. Even Burton can be somewhat excused for the same reason, but once you have a financial stake in the game, I think a line should be drawn. Michael Waltrip getting what amounted to millions of dollars of free exposure for his team and his sponsors by being a pseudo race announcer while being a team owner and driver was what finally made me realize how unfair it all was.
     
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  20. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Team Owner

    One thing that would help Nascar broadcasts would be for the announcers to be real. I don’t expect a race where Nascar is constantly criticized but I don’t like the fawning you hear on a regular basis either.

    Another thing is the playoff mess as that is all you hear about after July. It is both an assault and an insult. I don’t give a crap where driver A would be if the race ended now because the race hasn’t ended. I don’t care who punched their ticket to the playoffs as it nauseating and hokey. When you routinely have to watch a race with the volume muted there is a huge problem.
     
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  21. StandOnIt

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    pretty sweet
     
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  22. Ventisca

    Ventisca Team Owner

    Yup. :D
     
  23. StandOnIt

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    the rant would be a bit better if NBC and the NBC screaming gerbils in particular were singled out to have decided to announce the races that way. One of the many reasons IMO to always beware of a TV's bunch's bright ideas are good ones. Hopefully with the next contract, Nascar will have some control, like final OK before something like that airs if possible. When they trot out Aldo the bewildered newcomer or whatever his name was, or their high speed 100 mph? (high speed?) camera that screwed up restart after restart. Somebody needs to say nope.
     
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  24. StandOnIt

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    Craven calling it quits? From Jayski :p

     
  25. dpkimmel2001

    dpkimmel2001 Team Owner

    Reads more like it was from Ricky Craven. :idunno:
     
  26. StandOnIt

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    It's the way racing news is spread these days thru tweets and re-tweets. I get a lot of racing information from Jayski.

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  27. gnomesayin

    gnomesayin Team Owner

    I believe he was among the many ESPN layoffs. I'm actually surprised they kept him on as long as they did, given how little they cover NASCAR.
     
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  28. FLRacingFan

    FLRacingFan Team Owner

    I guess that is officially the end of any NASCAR coverage on ESPN. No Pockrass, no Craven. Ricky could replace almost anyone at NBC and I'd be cool with it.
     
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  29. StandOnIt

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    Pockrass as of 5 days ago was posting articles for ESPN's web site. I don't know what the hell is going on, he said he was done the first of the year.
     
  30. Ventisca

    Ventisca Team Owner

    Perhaps sponsored Drones will be swarming soon.

    R2D2 Droids in the cockpit adjusting suspension, positioning drink tubes, putting out fires, controlling cameras, saying "Hi!" on social media...

    ===

    “Do I believe that everything is on the table? I do,” Steve Phelps, NASCAR's new president, said at a news conference at Homestead.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/daveca...needs-to-include-some-old-stops/#605c44c46ecf
     
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  31. nickp

    nickp Team Owner

    A weekly YouTube talk show and/or podcast with Ricky Craven as the host
     
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  32. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Team Owner

    I heard they have really good links to ESPN articles about Nascar from their see and pee tweets. I’m fixin to check it out.
     
  33. StandOnIt

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  34. AdoubleU24

    AdoubleU24 Team Owner

    I don't want him to just be a Racehub personality, he needs to be on the broadcast in some form or fashion.
     
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  35. Team Penske

    Team Penske Team Owner

    Are you suggesting he replace Waltrip and work with Jeff Gordon? I think that would make a great paring.
     
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  36. AdoubleU24

    AdoubleU24 Team Owner

    I think that would be pretty cool. I'm interested to see what their coverage this year looks like, they said they're not bringing as many people to the track so if it's not in the booth I'm not sure there's a role for him other than back in the studio.
     
  37. Team Penske

    Team Penske Team Owner

    Many people do not understand how the industry works so let me just say this, " It all depends on the Producer". If you don't like a show, the only way you can make a change is fire the Producer.
    The actors or announcers just follow what he decides or they are gone. That is the reson you had Junior going from a common sense ex-driver to a giggling little girl along with the others.
     
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  38. StandOnIt

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    Fox announced at least one race last year remotely from Charlotte and only sent the pit reporters and the camera crews to the actual track. It worked, so I am guessing they will do it more this year :idunno:
     
  39. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Team Owner

    It makes sense that FOX would want to look for ways to cut production costs for the races it covers. With substantially less viewers tuning in I’m sure their ad revenue has taken a hit.
     
  40. AdoubleU24

    AdoubleU24 Team Owner

    Did they really? Holy crap I didn't even realize that. I feel like they always show them in the booth.

    They definitely said not long ago they were no longer sending the pre-race guys. I'm sure everyone will be on-site for Daytona, which they should, and then after that it'll thin out.
     

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