The next stars of NASCAR

Simple Fan said:
Don't really think CGR would have to expand. Feel like McMurray is nearing an end to his career and next year could be his last at CGR at least.

I just don't see shutting down the 77 for a year and then bringing it back for Bell but it could happen I guess. Agree he'll have many offers to comptemplate though.
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why not just change the number on the door so to speak. Toyota has been sponsoring Busch trucks for a couple years for the most part. Many of Xfinity sponsors are subs of Toyota.
 
Simple Fan said:
I just don't see shutting down the 77 for a year and then bringing it back for Bell but it could happen I guess
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I don't think they are laying anybody off.....They will be back in 2019 IMO. I think that Jones was to fill it this year, Daniel the next, but Carl had other plans. I think that Todd Gordon's BFF was going to be gone after this year anyway. That would have had Daniel in the 77 in '18. Too early for Bell as @StandOnIt pointed out. I wonder if Toyota tried to get Barney to let Matt have that ride for a year or two....
 
Revman said:
I wonder if Toyota tried to get Barney to let Matt have that ride for a year or two....
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Never thought Kenseth would end up in the 77. With that being said though if Toyota wanted to keep it going I think a multiple driver type deal could work if FRR(Toyota) found the funding. Kenseth, Bell, Ragan and a few others maybe even Carl if he's up for it.
 
Snappy D said:
Sorry I misspoke. He’s a bust, won’t win a race next year either
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You are being super dramatic here. Nobody is calling him a bust or has said he wont win a race next year either. When you started this debate you stated he would win close to 60 races over 20 years. The original thought by @simplefan was that he could see him falling short of his Dad's number. Now you come back and contradict everything you have spent time debating by posting Kenseth's 39 wins in an effort to validate your opinion and just randomly decide that the number you stated no longer matters.
 
ChexOrWrex said:
Bubba raced to 4th in points in the Xfinity series in crap equipment and hovered in the top 10-15 in the same equipment he is going to in 2018. No reason why he cant rattle off several strong finishes next season.

Give the man some credit.
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I give him all the credit in the world.... doesn't mean I have to break my neck to watch anymore.
 
clarkfn2284 said:
You are being super dramatic here. Nobody is calling him a bust or has said he wont win a race next year either. When you started this debate you stated he would win close to 60 races over 20 years. The original thought by @simplefan was that he could see him falling short of his Dad's number. Now you come back and contradict everything you have spent time debating by posting Kenseth's 39 wins in an effort to validate your opinion and just randomly decide that the number you stated no longer matters.
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I was trying to show that It’s possible for a 20 year career that it’s possible to have a career where you could come close to 3 wins a year but it was shot down because of all these youngsters coming up (who arnt proven by the way) and young veterans with Busch, Kez and Logano which is fine. I firmly believe that once he wins one race the others will follow much like it did for your driver Larson. I think Elliott will win more races than Matt did and will indeed come close to Awesome Bill’s numbers, I was trying to show that it could be done. Not being dramatic, I was super annoyed because it seems you couldn’t understand my logic but I did a bad job of explaining
 
Out of all the young guys Larson is the one with the most amount of talent. In the next 5 years he will win a championship.
 
Just to keep some of this Chase Elliott talk in perspective,
If you look at Racing Reference and compare stats of their first two full seasons, other than the two wins by Gordon, Chase blows away Jeff in EVERY category, some by a WIDE margin. The two wins by Gordon could VERY easily have been second places too., making his stats VS Elliott even worse. Evernham snookered the leaders on pit strategy at Charlotte, Indy was handed to Gordon by Irvan's flat tire. Without that, maybe Gordon wins, maybe he doesn't. We'll never know.

For the record, if you compare Kyle larson's first two years, Chase beats those easily too. Much more consistent than either of those drivers were at that point in their careers. MUCH higher point finishes too.
 
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I think Bell gets the 11 when he's ready. Bell is the real deal, I think he will compete for wins in his rookie year. I also think Gibbs can talk Fedex into getting on board with Bell replacing Hamlin. Seems like a no brainer IMO
 
aunty dive said:
I’m surprised racing-reference.info doesn’t have a what-if column. Or 2 or 3 of those.

I like the kid. He’s very talented. He needs a win pretty badly.
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Just trying to offer some perspective. Elliott runs up front and leads more laps than Gordon did at this stage in his career. That bodes well for the future. In this very thread, we have had Ryan Blaney labeled a proven winner and Kyle Larson labeled the most talented driver under 25, yet Elliott's performance numbers EASILY surpass them both at the same stage of their careers. If Hamlin doesn't dump him at Martinsville, this conversation isn't even happening.
 
I don't think any one of these drivers mentioned can live up to the hype, or carry NASCAR on their own. Nobody in the past has either so that discussion doesn't really matter. I do believe that all of them together will be able to carry NASCAR into the future. Media expectations are always larger than reality, but they all will succeed to some extent. I can't recall a time when there was so much young talent coming up in such a short period of time. There are just so many wins to go around, and with this many talented youngsters, I don't think any one or two will dominate. That's a good thing, because most around here see that as a bad thing, unless it's their guy doing the dominating. Just because their stats may fall short of history's greatest, will by no means, mean they are failures. Myself, I will watch their careers unfold, and celebrate their highs, and suffer their lows, but I will enjoy it all, because I'm a race fan.
 
Formerjackman said:
Just to keep some of this Chase Elliott talk in perspective,
If you look at Racing Reference and compare stats of their first two full seasons, other than the two wins by Gordon, Chase blows away Jeff in EVERY category, some by a WIDE margin. The two wins by Gordon could VERY easily have been second places too., making his stats VS Elliott even worse. Evernham snookered the leaders on pit strategy at Charlotte, Indy was handed to Gordon by Irvan's flat tire. Without that, maybe Gordon wins, maybe he doesn't. We'll never know.

For the record, if you compare Kyle larson's first two years, Chase beats those easily too. Much more consistent than either of those drivers were at that point in their careers. MUCH higher point finishes too.
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The difference between Larson's first 2 years and Chase is the equipment. Are you going to argue that Larson's equipment (until this year) was as good as the HMS stuff being put on the track?
 
Towmater said:
The difference between Larson's first 2 years and Chase is the equipment. Are you going to argue that Larson's equipment (until this year) was as good as the HMS stuff being put on the track?
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You never answered my question, if Larson is so aggressive? why did he not go for the lead at Homestead?
 
Taco said:
You never answered my question, if Larson is so aggressive? why did he not go for the lead at Homestead?
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I didn't see your comment and I've no idea. I don't presume to know what thoughts a driver has going on. I haven't read anything about why he did this or didn't do that, nor have I had a conversation with Mr. Larson about it. I did provide you with example of his aggressive driving in the past.
 
Towmater said:
.I didn't see your comment and I've no idea. I don't presume to know what thoughts a driver has going on. I haven't read anything about why he did this or didn't do that, nor have I had a conversation with Mr. Larson about it. I did provide you with example of his aggressive driving in the past.
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Good answer, got it.
 
Yogisd1 said:
I can't recall a time when there was so much young talent coming up in such a short period of time.
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The rookies that came into the sport between 1999-2006 was about the most impressive I've ever seen. That timeframe gave us Tony Stewart, Dale Jr, Matt Kenseth, Kurt Busch, Kevin Harvick, Jimmie Johnson, Ryan Newman, Greg Biffle, Kasey Kahne, Kyle Busch, Carl Edwards, and Denny Hamlin. Everybody listed here has at least 18 Cup wins.
 
ToyYoda said:
The rookies that came into the sport between 1999-2006 was about the most impressive I've ever seen. That timeframe gave us Tony Stewart, Dale Jr, Matt Kenseth, Kurt Busch, Kevin Harvick, Jimmie Johnson, Ryan Newman, Greg Biffle, Kasey Kahne, Kyle Busch, Carl Edwards, and Denny Hamlin. Everybody listed here has at least 18 Cup wins.
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That's a seven year stretch, You are going to get that many in about three maybe four years, all with potential to do well. Of the list above, some of them came to cup with little fanfare. I don't remember anyone getting that excited about Jimmy Johnson the rookie. He didn't start killing it right away. He will probably be the best remembered of that crop of drivers. I don't expect any of the youngsters to start kicking butt right away, but I would think they will be good enough to stand with drivers of the past. These days more cars than ever have a realistic chance of winning, so the amount of wins per driver might be lower across the board. When their careers are over, we can evaluate them then. Until then, just watch them grow, and mature as drivers. That's where the fun is.
 
Snappy D said:
He’s had 10 second place finishes in two years of being a Cup Driver, 6 this year alone. With the right breaks those could have been wins, those breaks are going to fall his way eventually if he keeps running up front. Your entitled to your opinion but wow to think he can’t beat Jr’s 26 career wins? I’d bet you on that. I think Chase gets 45-52 career wins
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In the years when drivers won consistently there was not as much competition. The field is more equal now so 36 race wins could mean 20 drivers a year getting a win. Careers won't last as long at the cup level and that is why I think 25-30 cup wins will be tops for the top drivers.
 
Taco said:
Surely the great TRD hope deserves some love, for his 8 DNF's and 19th place in points.

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You forgot to mention the 5 top 5's, 14 top 10's and a pole winner. Highest finish and most laps lead of all rookies and the 2017 ROTY award. First driver to have been awarded ROYT for all 3 national series for that matter. I think he'll be just fine and I'm loving the hate he gets from all the Golden Child fans :)
 
Yogisd1 said:
That's a seven year stretch, You are going to get that many in about three maybe four years, all with potential to do well. Of the list above, some of them came to cup with little fanfare.
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Even if you look at 1999-2002, it was pretty impressive. That still leaves Stewart, Junior, Kenseth, Harvick, KuBu, JJ, and Newman. As for the amount of fanfare, there were also guys that came to Cup during that time that had a lot of fanfare and didn't do much (Casey Atwood comes to mind).
 
ToyYoda said:
The rookies that came into the sport between 1999-2006 was about the most impressive I've ever seen. That timeframe gave us Tony Stewart, Dale Jr, Matt Kenseth, Kurt Busch, Kevin Harvick, Jimmie Johnson, Ryan Newman, Greg Biffle, Kasey Kahne, Kyle Busch, Carl Edwards, and Denny Hamlin. Everybody listed here has at least 18 Cup wins.
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Exactly!

Thanks for noticing. 1999-2006 was the best talent class of drivers we have seen. These rooks today just arent as good/cup ready as these guys were back then.

And imo, just aren't as good of drivers.

These guys flat out took the sport from the DJ's, Rustys, Bills, Labontes, etc
 
Heffernan said:
You forgot to mention the 5 top 5's, 14 top 10's and a pole winner. Highest finish and most laps lead of all rookies and the 2017 ROTY award. First driver to have been awarded ROYT for all 3 national series for that matter. I think he'll be just fine and I'm loving the hate he gets from all the Golden Child fans :)
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Damn, thanks for reminding me that I forgot to send a box of cookies.
 
jaqua19 said:
Exactly!

Thanks for noticing. 1999-2006 was the best talent class of drivers we have seen. These rooks today just arent as good/cup ready as these guys were back then.

And imo, just aren't as good of drivers.

These guys flat out took the sport from the DJ's, Rustys, Bills, Labontes, etc
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Im not so sure that its that the new drivers now are low on talent, as much as the sport is far more competitive.
 
my personal favorite is Ryan Blaney. Don't know why, I just like that kid. Made Wood bros stuff look mighty fine.
 
Blaney is pretty popular, he does a lot for the sport off the track also. Has over a million followers on the podcast he does.
 
Yogisd1 said:
That's a seven year stretch, You are going to get that many in about three maybe four years, all with potential to do well. Of the list above, some of them came to cup with little fanfare. I don't remember anyone getting that excited about Jimmy Johnson the rookie. He didn't start killing it right away. He will probably be the best remembered of that crop of drivers. I don't expect any of the youngsters to start kicking butt right away, but I would think they will be good enough to stand with drivers of the past. These days more cars than ever have a realistic chance of winning, so the amount of wins per driver might be lower across the board. When their careers are over, we can evaluate them then. Until then, just watch them grow, and mature as drivers. That's where the fun is.
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Jimmie did start killing it right away and I believe finished 5th in the points when it actually meant something.
 
ToyYoda said:
Next year will tell the tale once Jones is in full-blown JGR stuff instead of a temporary FRR team.
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That's what he was driving this year, but because of the 4 car rule they registered the car under FR. If you remember even the #78 was using JGR pit crews.
 
After I got eviscerated earlier about my Chase Elliott thoughts I’m out of the predicting drivers career stats. Saying that I will say I think Jones will win a race or 2 next year, the 20 Crew is good, JGR and Toyota are dialed in, and they will be in the playoffs
 
Team Penske said:
That's what he was driving this year, but because of the 4 car rule they registered the car under FR. If you remember even the #78 was using JGR pit crews.
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The 20 pit crew is/was worlds better then the crew Jones had this year. I always viewed the 77 crew as a "rent-a-crew", not really a top-tier group.
 
mack said:
my personal favorite is Ryan Blaney. Don't know why, I just like that kid. Made Wood bros stuff look mighty fine.
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And had faster cars than Penske at the end of the season. Heck even Brad was borrowing his setups.
 
Team Penske said:
And had faster cars than Penske at the end of the season. Heck even Brad was borrowing his setups.
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yeah he did. Blaney has a pretty good crew chief and is going with him to Penske. JMO but Kez and Joey have a history of working together. I'm pretty sure Blaney is going to do the same. I think they will do pretty decent if they can catch a few breaks next year. I wonder about Menard. Moving to Penske it will be easy to compare his stats with RCR. Harvick's sure got better quickly when he left.
 
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