The phenomenon of title contenders winning the final race.

Spotter22 said:
You believe it, thats proof enough you are wrong.
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You once again deflect, show me proof I'm wrong and I'll concede. You can't because you don't know. When experts on tv hint that the championship contenders often get special consideration for the last race, that speaks volumes.
 
Mopardh9 said:
You once again deflect, show me proof I'm wrong and I'll concede. You can't because you don't know. When experts on tv hint that the championship contenders often get special consideration for the last race, that speaks volumes.
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speaks volumes if your wearing a tin foil hat, I didn't wear mine yesterday
 
Mopardh9 said:
You once again deflect, show me proof I'm wrong and I'll concede. You can't because you don't know. When experts on tv hint that the championship contenders often get special consideration for the last race, that speaks volumes.
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Because there is nothing to prove to you and IF I could you wouldnt believe it if it slapped you in the face. You are a hater and nothing is good enough in this sport, you are the complete definition of a troll, deal with it.
 
Spotter22 said:
Explain how you are going to keep that a secret within the hundreds of people who would have to know?
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It’s easier to keep secret when no one from the media or fans see the inspection process.
 
Y'all are arguing just for the sake of arguing. Nothing is being settled and nothing will be settled.
You've moved passed civil discussion and into "I'm going to have the last word".
Either that, or it's cold where you are and you're arguing to keep warm.

No one here knows for sure what what the truth is. Concrete proof is what is needed.
To be honest, if championship contenders are getting preferential treatment thru inspection and my team wasn't,
I'd be shouting from the top of the hauler to every media outlet I could find.
 
Snappy D said:
It’s easier to keep secret when no one from the media or fans see the inspection process.
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If you think crew chiefs and other crew members from other teams don't miss a trick are blind and can't hear. Much easier to fool fans. :p
Spotter22 said:
You can watch. Not the OSS but other stations
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the OSS is live on YouTube every race. It is like watching the tear down. Watching paint dry is close competition
 
Spotter22 said:
You can watch. Not the OSS but other stations
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I’m not trying to be a conspiracy theorist I just wouldn’t be surprised either way I guess. In a way you would be right that’d be a hell of a hard secret to keep from so many who make their livlihoods in this industry that someone would get pissed and burn it down. But I wouldn’t hold it against NASCAR to be arrogant enough to think they could keep it secret.
 
Mopardh9 said:
You once again deflect, show me proof I'm wrong and I'll concede. You can't because you don't know. When experts on tv hint that the championship contenders often get special consideration for the last race, that speaks volumes.
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In a court of law if I was called I would be considered an "expert" in this field, you would not.
StandOnIt said:
the OSS is live on YouTube every race. It is like watching the tear down. Watching paint dry is close competition
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They might even have a site at the track where you can watch, not sure
Snappy D said:
I’m not trying to be a conspiracy theorist I just wouldn’t be surprised either way I guess. In a way you would be right that’d be a hell of a hard secret to keep from so many who make their livlihoods in this industry that someone would get pissed and burn it down. But I wouldn’t hold it against NASCAR to be arrogant enough to think they could keep it secret.
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It makes no sense for them to let certain teams cheat, its suicide for the sport when the first disgrunteled employee goes to the media.
 
Spotter22 said:
They might even have a site at the track where you can watch, not sure
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There is always a crowd around the tent, there are no secrets for long. My short stint pitting for a sprinter everybody knows what the other is doing pretty much. Guys can't work side by side and not miss a thing.
Spotter22 said:
It makes no sense for them to let certain teams cheat, its suicide for the sport when the first disgrunteled employee goes to the media.
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can you imagine a guy like Robbie Gordon if it was that way?
 
StandOnIt said:
There is always a crowd around the tent, there are no secrets for long. My short stint pitting for a sprinter everybody knows what the other is doing pretty much. Guys can't work side by side and not miss a thing.
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Oh yeah Im with you just didnt know if they had a "fan friendly" viewing area for that
StandOnIt said:
can you imagine a guy like Robbie Gordon if it was that way?
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or Carl Long
 
We had the same discussion last year, and probably the year before.

My opinion is that @Allenbaba isn't making up what he posts. It stands to reason that some measures are taken to encourage that the final four run up front. To me is is an inevitable result of the silly format. The same way it stood to reason that invented and exaggerated debris cautions were used for years to spice up races. Hundreds within the sport knew about this informally, it was whispered and speculated about, but never confronted. Of course there was never any hard 'proof'. Now after that tactic has ceased, there have been comments on the record that NASCAR is letting races play out more naturally and isn't doing that anymore.

I do not see any evidence or even a hint that NASCAR has played favorites between the final four. I think it is widely understood in the garage that Homestead is their race, and I agree that there are multiple factors that lead to these outcomes, including that most other drivers don't want to get in the way unless they actually can win.
 
I believe allenbada, he has never ever said anything that wasn't true. I also find his comments to be logical and ummm well, truthful. I also believe there are insiders that follow this board and post here. They are never going to come out and say look at me and this is who I am. If you watched joey's car after the race there were people everywhere after the race. The car had confetti and champagne doused all over it. heck the interior guy drove it to victory lane. I think its pretty darn clear after that race no one is going to be looking at the car and finding anything wrong with it. No way is nascar calling off the championship like that. NO WAY, its looks bad for nascar. I think the teams know this. I think by nature nascar wants the 4 racing it out up front among themselves. YES I think they are allowed to cheat. I think its interesting the 4 car seemed to be way faster in the race. I knew the 22 had them covered by a substantial margin, he killed it both practices. I wonder if the 4 car thought they better wait for their advantage. OR heck maybe the spoiler deal killed the advantage they had been using.

Its funny a few weeks ago I speculated that nascar might look the other way because they screwed the 48 car. everyone said how foolish that comment was and what was done was done. Well..........................since its established that some leinancy is given to the top 4, why on earth wouldn't nascar give the same thing to the 48 car for a wrongly called penalty? I think its funny that everyone thinks this is all so black and white. its not. I think teams that run well and run away with the race, I think after that happens a few times nascar starts looking for why. in the case of the 4 car they found the spoiler monkeyed with. Soo I say again why not look the other way when the 48 car rolls through the line?
 
StewartHaas-Gibbs Racing said:
I need to say again cause this is ridiculous but seriously, if NASCAR was really fixed there is no way they wouldn't have fixed it that Danica would have won several races and championships and Dale Jr would have won several championships and never had a long streak of not winning any races.
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Danica would have never won a title with any given breaks.
 
gnomesayin said:
We had the same discussion last year, and probably the year before.

My opinion is that @Allenbaba isn't making up what he posts. It stands to reason that some measures are taken to encourage that the final four run up front. To me is is an inevitable result of the silly format. The same way it stood to reason that invented and exaggerated debris cautions were used for years to spice up races. Hundreds within the sport knew about this informally, it was whispered and speculated about, but never confronted. Of course there was never any hard 'proof'. Now after that tactic has ceased, there have been comments on the record that NASCAR is letting races play out more naturally and isn't doing that anymore.

I do not see any evidence or even a hint that NASCAR has played favorites between the final four. I think it is widely understood in the garage that Homestead is their race, and I agree that there are multiple factors that lead to these outcomes, including that most other drivers don't want to get in the way unless they actually can win.
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:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: I don't usually disagree with you, but I have to this time. I'm going to leave it that or I'll incur the wrath of TRL.
 
NASCAR is interested in a show and game 7 moments so allowing the chosen 4 a little extra seems right in line. The sanctioning body manipulated races with bogus cautions for years so allowing this extra is not a leap
 
hidesert cowboy said:
I believe allenbada, he has never ever said anything that wasn't true. I also find his comments to be logical and ummm well, truthful. I also believe there are insiders that follow this board and post here. They are never going to come out and say look at me and this is who I am. If you watched joey's car after the race there were people everywhere after the race. The car had confetti and champagne doused all over it. heck the interior guy drove it to victory lane. I think its pretty darn clear after that race no one is going to be looking at the car and finding anything wrong with it. No way is nascar calling off the championship like that. NO WAY, its looks bad for nascar. I think the teams know this. I think by nature nascar wants the 4 racing it out up front among themselves. YES I think they are allowed to cheat. I think its interesting the 4 car seemed to be way faster in the race. I knew the 22 had them covered by a substantial margin, he killed it both practices. I wonder if the 4 car thought they better wait for their advantage. OR heck maybe the spoiler deal killed the advantage they had been using.

Its funny a few weeks ago I speculated that nascar might look the other way because they screwed the 48 car. everyone said how foolish that comment was and what was done was done. Well..........................since its established that some leinancy is given to the top 4, why on earth wouldn't nascar give the same thing to the 48 car for a wrongly called penalty? I think its funny that everyone thinks this is all so black and white. its not. I think teams that run well and run away with the race, I think after that happens a few times nascar starts looking for why. in the case of the 4 car they found the spoiler monkeyed with. Soo I say again why not look the other way when the 48 car rolls through the line?
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Good post!
 
said the same thing last year, didn't make sense then and doesn't now. Nothing to see here but tin foil and grasping at straws.
 
And I'm totally dizzy from the 'round and 'round it goes, where it stops, nobody knows.
All of y'all should be lawyers --- good at circular arguments and obfuscation.
 
StandOnIt said:
said the same thing last year, didn't make sense then and doesn't now. Nothing to see here but tin foil and grasping at straws.
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There is a perfectly good explanation for nearly everything that happens, I expect somebody will post it in the next few hours
 
gnomesayin said:
We had the same discussion last year, and probably the year before.

My opinion is that @Allenbaba isn't making up what he posts. It stands to reason that some measures are taken to encourage that the final four run up front. To me is is an inevitable result of the silly format. The same way it stood to reason that invented and exaggerated debris cautions were used for years to spice up races. Hundreds within the sport knew about this informally, it was whispered and speculated about, but never confronted. Of course there was never any hard 'proof'. Now after that tactic has ceased, there have been comments on the record that NASCAR is letting races play out more naturally and isn't doing that anymore.

I do not see any evidence or even a hint that NASCAR has played favorites between the final four. I think it is widely understood in the garage that Homestead is their race, and I agree that there are multiple factors that lead to these outcomes, including that most other drivers don't want to get in the way unless they actually can win.
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Just to be clear, I didnt say he made anything up, but questioned what he heard.
 
TexasRaceLady said:
And I'm totally dizzy from the 'round and 'round it goes, where it stops, nobody knows.
All of y'all should be lawyers --- good at circular arguments and obfuscation.
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That's why we joined this place.
IanMcVittie said:
NASCAR is interested in a show and game 7 moments so allowing the chosen 4 a little extra seems right in line. The sanctioning body manipulated races with bogus cautions for years so allowing this extra is not a leap
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Yep...it's game 7 let's make sure the drama is there for the folks not watching it anymore on TV, who are now turning to something else.
gnomesayin said:
What are you disagreeing about?
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Playing favorites
 
Spotter22 said:
It makes no sense for them to let certain teams cheat, its suicide for the sport when the first disgrunteled employee goes to the media.
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It's not "certain teams"....just the Final 4. And "cheating" is too strong of a word.

Who is going to the media? Nobody. Because what proof would they have? Nobody here is saying NASCAR gave them some of Mikey's rocket fuel. Nobody is saying Goodyear gave them "special" tires. Nobody is saying NASCAR would allow blatant violations.

NASCAR builds up so much hype for this playoff format and the showdown at Homestead, I think they would do whatever they can (within reason) to ensure it's as entertaining as possible. Giving these teams a little more leeway in a very discrete manner isn't that hard to believe.
 
Mopardh9 said:
Playing favorites
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I don't see any whiff they are playing favorites between the four finalists. Why would Logano be the choice? He is the only driver among the four who is not among the ten most popular drivers.
 
2 Sweet said:
It's not "certain teams"....just the Final 4. And "cheating" is too strong of a word.

Who is going to the media? Nobody. Because what proof would they have? Nobody here is saying NASCAR gave them some of Mikey's rocket fuel. Nobody is saying Goodyear gave them "special" tires. Nobody is saying NASCAR would allow blatant violations.

NASCAR builds up so much hype for this playoff format and the showdown at Homestead, I think they would do whatever they can (within reason) to ensure it's as entertaining as possible. Giving these teams a little more leeway in a very discrete manner isn't that hard to believe.
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Spot on
 
gnomesayin said:
I don't see any whiff they are playing favorites between the four finalists. Why would Logano be the choice? He is the only driver among the four who is not among the ten most popular drivers.
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He was in the final 4, more leeway granted. How long do you think Harvick ran this year with a cheated up car? Why didn't he get caught earlier instead of right before the final? The answer...drama, NASCAR needs drama...real or manufactured to drum up business.
 
I think it all depends on how one views the sanctioning body. If you feel they are an above board organization dedicated to fairness and transparency then you would take great umbrage at helping the final 4.

In the annals of nascar shenanigans this doesn’t register a blip for me nor does it concern me given the context
 
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