What Do you Think of the New Package?

kyle18fan said:
Not long ago it was " what would Rodney Childers do ? " and now I am cuckoo ?
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I have no idea what you are, but one car having a steering box failure this year or all of them needing to completely change their suspension components is B.S.
 
StandOnIt said:
I have no idea what you are, but one car having a steering box failure this year or all of them needing to completely change their suspension components is B.S.
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It wasn't my excuse but I am smart enough to know that major changes can certainly result in components being over stressed that were once adequate. There have been some power steering issues this year, changes might have to be made. But lets talk about the lowest rated race so far this year ( according to our race rating thread ) It appears that some changes are not being welcomed by the fans or the drivers. Matter of fact, there are a few races that appear to be rated rather low this year. What is the ultimate goal for all the changes, what is NASCAR seeking ? Has the goal been reached ?
 
The only "load" on the steering box occurs as a result of driver inputs.

Higher vertical loads at the tire contact patches have nothing to do with Harvick's failure.
 
kyle18fan said:
It wasn't my excuse but I am smart enough to know that major changes can certainly result in components being over stressed that were once adequate. There have been some power steering issues this year, changes might have to be made. But lets talk about the lowest rated race so far this year ( according to our race rating thread ) It appears that some changes are not being welcomed by the fans or the drivers. Matter of fact, there are a few races that appear to be rated rather low this year. What is the ultimate goal for all the changes, what is NASCAR seeking ? Has the goal been reached ?
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You arent going to have success with this package at every track, everyone is still learning it so sometimes you dont get what you want. Just like a blowout at a football game, it happens. Not all games or races go down to the wire.
 
Spotter22 said:
You arent going to have success with this package at every track, everyone is still learning it so sometimes you dont get what you want. Just like a blowout at a football game, it happens. Not all games or races go down to the wire.
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I will ask you the same question, what is the goal and have they reached that goal ?
 
I listened to a replay last night of Kevin Harvicks show HAPPY HOUR on SiriusXM. And it was quite an education llistening to what he had to say about the 2019 package. Essential he said it is basically almost impossible to pass with this package. He said the reason Charlotte seemed so great was because of 16 restarts. He also said why the drivers seem more testy this year is because you can drive your ass off and still not pass.
I know there are some on this board that will dismiss what a current driver has to say , which I still can't figure out how sitting at a computer a person knows more than a person actually doing said experience. Anyone gets the chance to listen to the first part of the show it is quite an eye opener.
aunty dive said:
The only "load" on the steering box occurs as a result of driver inputs.

Higher vertical loads at the tire contact patches have nothing to do with Harvick's failure.
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Again listening to what Harvicks had to says just the opposite. He said the steering and pumps are taking more strain now because of the major geometry settings needed in the cars to run this package. Not trying to ruffle any feathers just repeating what he said happened at Pocono.
 
nitetrain said:
I listened to a replay last night of Kevin Harvicks show HAPPY HOUR on SiriusXM. And it was quite an education llistening to what he had to say about the 2019 package. Essential he said it is basically almost impossible to pass with this package. He said the reason Charlotte seemed so great was because of 16 restarts. He also said why the drivers seem more testy this year is because you can drive your ass off and still not pass.
I know there are some on this board that will dismiss what a current driver has to say , which I still can't figure out how sitting at a computer a person knows more than a person actually doing said experience. Anyone gets the chance to listen to the first part of the show it is quite an eye opener.

Again listening to what Harvicks had to says just the opposite. He said the steering and pumps are taking more strain now because of the major geometry settings needed in the cars to run this package. Not trying to ruffle any feathers just repeating what he said happened at Pocono.
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Yeah, the guys that drive the cars don't know anything
 
We must not know anything either. We scored the preceding three races before the dog at Pocono at the top part of the survey.
 
nitetrain said:
I listened to a replay last night of Kevin Harvicks show HAPPY HOUR on SiriusXM. And it was quite an education llistening to what he had to say about the 2019 package. Essential he said it is basically almost impossible to pass with this package. He said the reason Charlotte seemed so great was because of 16 restarts. He also said why the drivers seem more testy this year is because you can drive your ass off and still not pass.
I know there are some on this board that will dismiss what a current driver has to say , which I still can't figure out how sitting at a computer a person knows more than a person actually doing said experience. Anyone gets the chance to listen to the first part of the show it is quite an eye opener.

Again listening to what Harvicks had to says just the opposite. He said the steering and pumps are taking more strain now because of the major geometry settings needed in the cars to run this package. Not trying to ruffle any feathers just repeating what he said happened at Pocono.
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The front end settings on these cars now (Caster,camber,etc..) Wont allow you to run with out power steering( and stay competitive) If you've ever seen a car on jackstands and looked at the left front and right front tires you would understand, they literaly look like they are falling off the car, hanging by a thread.
 
BobbyFord said:
The drivers are saying what is already obvious to the majority of the fans. This package sucks.
Wake up, NASCAR.
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The package has produced great racing at many tracks, sometimes adjustments need to be made, its a work in progress
 
Personaly, I wouldnt care if they went back to 800 HP and let us choose any setup we want, but when someone wins by a half a lap the "side by side fans and the cant pass crowd" will still be howling.
 
Spotter22 said:
Personaly, I wouldnt care if they went back to 800 HP and let us choose any setup we want, but when someone wins by a half a lap the "side by side fans and the cant pass crowd" will still be howling.
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They have done a good job of fixing the 1.5's that are the bulk of the schedule, but the others are still mostly single file parades.
 
StandOnIt said:
They have done a good job of fixing the 1.5's that are the bulk of the schedule, but the others are still mostly single file parades.
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Off throttle seems to be the problem, Dover, Pocono. Cars pinned on the bottom are at a disadvantage unless they have a lane to move up. Loss of rpm on the bottom
 
StandOnIt said:
both of those tracks are one lane groove also and this package for both of those hasn't helped
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Dover is one lane? Check out 2016 spring or 2017 fall. You're right about Pocono though. Never been much passing there.
 
nitetrain said:
Again listening to what Harvicks had to says just the opposite. He said the steering and pumps are taking more strain now because of the major geometry settings needed in the cars to run this package. Not trying to ruffle any feathers just repeating what he said happened at Pocono.
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This part of the conversation is mechanical. In this case, feathers exist in Richard Petty’s hat.

To me, Harvick is saying that the revised geometry causes the power steering unit to work harder. The fix is to adjust the pressure regulator which I am sure they’ve done multiple times. Make it too easy and the driver loses feel.

We don’t know which of the several components failed. I doubt that it will happen again.
 
I have no dog in this fight because I like the racing this year (for the most part) and really liked it a lot last year. We can talk about MOV and lead changes and quality passes and all that, but how many years has it been since the cars have had the ability to run side by side for a full lap, or multiple laps?

Just two examples that stand out in my memory because they are races I've recently watched.....



Start watching at 8:45.....



Two completely different tracks, just for the record.

This isn't about nostalgia or the "good old days" or any of that. Just an example of how different the cars could run around each other back then, how close they could get and run along side one another compared to nowadays.

I realize you can't un-learn engineering and the evolution of aero, but they really need to find out a way to get the cars to run like this again, whether it's reducing side force, or something else in addition to that.
 
2 Sweet said:
I have no dog in this fight because I like the racing this year (for the most part) and really liked it a lot last year. We can talk about MOV and lead changes and quality passes and all that, but how many years has it been since the cars have had the ability to run side by side for a full lap, or multiple laps?

Just two examples that stand out in my memory because they are races I've recently watched.....



Start watching at 8:45.....



Two completely different tracks, just for the record.

This isn't about nostalgia or the "good old days" or any of that. Just an example of how different the cars could run around each other back then, how close they could get and run along side one another compared to nowadays.

I realize you can't un-learn engineering and the evolution of aero, but they really need to find out a way to get the cars to run like this again, whether it's reducing side force, or something else in addition to that.
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If you know about aero then you know how to un-aero.
It’s easy to spot the people that run NASCAR; their feet are shot full of holes.
 
BobbyFord said:
If you know about aero then you know how to un-aero.
It’s easy to spot the people that run NASCAR; their feet are shot full of holes.
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Air has remained relatively unchanged for decades, thank goodness nobody tinkers with the air ... other than polluting it a bit. There was competitive auto racing at a fairground in the mid 1960s, I saw it with my own 2 eyes, the cars were basically junkers, the races were exciting, people had a blast there. No aero was involved, no gimmicks were needed. Is the search for competitive racing really that difficult ?
 
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