What Do you Think of the New Package?

Discussion in 'NASCAR chat' started by Speedbowl14, Feb 25, 2019.

  1. kyle18fan

    kyle18fan Proud member of Rowdy Nation Contributor


    Not long ago it was " what would Rodney Childers do ? " and now I am cuckoo ?
     
  2. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    I have no idea what you are, but one car having a steering box failure this year or all of them needing to completely change their suspension components is B.S.
     
  3. kyle18fan

    kyle18fan Proud member of Rowdy Nation Contributor


    It wasn't my excuse but I am smart enough to know that major changes can certainly result in components being over stressed that were once adequate. There have been some power steering issues this year, changes might have to be made. But lets talk about the lowest rated race so far this year ( according to our race rating thread ) It appears that some changes are not being welcomed by the fans or the drivers. Matter of fact, there are a few races that appear to be rated rather low this year. What is the ultimate goal for all the changes, what is NASCAR seeking ? Has the goal been reached ?
     
  4. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    changes because Harvick had a steering box failure? that's funny.
     
  5. aunty dive

    aunty dive Team Owner

    The only "load" on the steering box occurs as a result of driver inputs.

    Higher vertical loads at the tire contact patches have nothing to do with Harvick's failure.
     
  6. Spotter22

    Spotter22 Team Owner

    You arent going to have success with this package at every track, everyone is still learning it so sometimes you dont get what you want. Just like a blowout at a football game, it happens. Not all games or races go down to the wire.
     
  7. kyle18fan

    kyle18fan Proud member of Rowdy Nation Contributor


    I will ask you the same question, what is the goal and have they reached that goal ?
     
  8. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    It has been stated in many articles..look up 2019 rules package.
     
  9. nitetrain

    nitetrain Crew Chief

    I listened to a replay last night of Kevin Harvicks show HAPPY HOUR on SiriusXM. And it was quite an education llistening to what he had to say about the 2019 package. Essential he said it is basically almost impossible to pass with this package. He said the reason Charlotte seemed so great was because of 16 restarts. He also said why the drivers seem more testy this year is because you can drive your ass off and still not pass.
    I know there are some on this board that will dismiss what a current driver has to say , which I still can't figure out how sitting at a computer a person knows more than a person actually doing said experience. Anyone gets the chance to listen to the first part of the show it is quite an eye opener.
    Again listening to what Harvicks had to says just the opposite. He said the steering and pumps are taking more strain now because of the major geometry settings needed in the cars to run this package. Not trying to ruffle any feathers just repeating what he said happened at Pocono.
     
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  10. kyle18fan

    kyle18fan Proud member of Rowdy Nation Contributor


    Yeah, the guys that drive the cars don't know anything
     
  11. Ventisca

    Ventisca Team Owner

    It's not that drivers "don't know anything", it's that they don't know everything...
     
  12. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    We must not know anything either. We scored the preceding three races before the dog at Pocono at the top part of the survey.
     
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  13. kyle18fan

    kyle18fan Proud member of Rowdy Nation Contributor


    Nobody knows everything but some of them fellers on those race teams have managed to accidentally pick up a little knowledge.
     
  14. Spotter22

    Spotter22 Team Owner

    The front end settings on these cars now (Caster,camber,etc..) Wont allow you to run with out power steering( and stay competitive) If you've ever seen a car on jackstands and looked at the left front and right front tires you would understand, they literaly look like they are falling off the car, hanging by a thread.
     
  15. BobbyFord

    BobbyFord Resident Gearhead Contributor

    The drivers are saying what is already obvious to the majority of the fans. This package sucks.
    Wake up, NASCAR.
     
  16. Spotter22

    Spotter22 Team Owner

    The goal is competitive racing, the goal is a moving target.
     
  17. Spotter22

    Spotter22 Team Owner

    The package has produced great racing at many tracks, sometimes adjustments need to be made, its a work in progress
     
  18. kyle18fan

    kyle18fan Proud member of Rowdy Nation Contributor


    Thank you for the answer sir :salute:
     
  19. BobbyFord

    BobbyFord Resident Gearhead Contributor

    You’re welcome.
     
  20. Spotter22

    Spotter22 Team Owner

    Personaly, I wouldnt care if they went back to 800 HP and let us choose any setup we want, but when someone wins by a half a lap the "side by side fans and the cant pass crowd" will still be howling.
     
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  21. kyle18fan

    kyle18fan Proud member of Rowdy Nation Contributor


    I didn't thank you yet :D
     
  22. BobbyFord

    BobbyFord Resident Gearhead Contributor

    Oh.
     
  23. kyle18fan

    kyle18fan Proud member of Rowdy Nation Contributor



    I am old and slow, first I have to ask you a question and await an answer, then comes the thanks after the answer arrives. Here we go ......... what is the goal that NASCAR seeks, I have forgotten
     
  24. BobbyFord

    BobbyFord Resident Gearhead Contributor

    To make money $$$.
     
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  25. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    They have done a good job of fixing the 1.5's that are the bulk of the schedule, but the others are still mostly single file parades.
     
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  26. kyle18fan

    kyle18fan Proud member of Rowdy Nation Contributor



    That's a great answer, thank you sir. :salute:
     
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  27. BobbyFord

    BobbyFord Resident Gearhead Contributor

    You’re welcome.
     
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  28. Spotter22

    Spotter22 Team Owner

    Off throttle seems to be the problem, Dover, Pocono. Cars pinned on the bottom are at a disadvantage unless they have a lane to move up. Loss of rpm on the bottom
     
  29. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    both of those tracks are one lane groove also and this package for both of those hasn't helped
     
  30. Spotter22

    Spotter22 Team Owner

    Which goes back to steering boxes, the more wheel input the more it scrubs off speed.
     
  31. Larsonfan1995

    Larsonfan1995 Team Owner

    Dover is one lane? Check out 2016 spring or 2017 fall. You're right about Pocono though. Never been much passing there.
     
  32. Spotter22

    Spotter22 Team Owner

    we are talking new package
     
  33. aunty dive

    aunty dive Team Owner

    This part of the conversation is mechanical. In this case, feathers exist in Richard Petty’s hat.

    To me, Harvick is saying that the revised geometry causes the power steering unit to work harder. The fix is to adjust the pressure regulator which I am sure they’ve done multiple times. Make it too easy and the driver loses feel.

    We don’t know which of the several components failed. I doubt that it will happen again.
     
  34. Larsonfan1995

    Larsonfan1995 Team Owner

    He seemed like he meant in general because he added after that the new package hasn't improved the fact that they already were one lane
     
  35. 2 Sweet

    2 Sweet Legend

    I have no dog in this fight because I like the racing this year (for the most part) and really liked it a lot last year. We can talk about MOV and lead changes and quality passes and all that, but how many years has it been since the cars have had the ability to run side by side for a full lap, or multiple laps?

    Just two examples that stand out in my memory because they are races I've recently watched.....



    Start watching at 8:45.....



    Two completely different tracks, just for the record.

    This isn't about nostalgia or the "good old days" or any of that. Just an example of how different the cars could run around each other back then, how close they could get and run along side one another compared to nowadays.

    I realize you can't un-learn engineering and the evolution of aero, but they really need to find out a way to get the cars to run like this again, whether it's reducing side force, or something else in addition to that.
     
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  36. BobbyFord

    BobbyFord Resident Gearhead Contributor

    I hope NASCAR knows about the internet. Since 2004 I’ve wondered.
     
  37. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

  38. BobbyFord

    BobbyFord Resident Gearhead Contributor

    If you know about aero then you know how to un-aero.
    It’s easy to spot the people that run NASCAR; their feet are shot full of holes.
     
  39. 2 Sweet

    2 Sweet Legend

    What's this? Cars running side by side in a pack after a restart?

    That's fine, but not what I meant. I don't see two cars running side by side without drafting help for an extended period of time during a long green flag run.
     
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  40. kyle18fan

    kyle18fan Proud member of Rowdy Nation Contributor



    Air has remained relatively unchanged for decades, thank goodness nobody tinkers with the air ... other than polluting it a bit. There was competitive auto racing at a fairground in the mid 1960s, I saw it with my own 2 eyes, the cars were basically junkers, the races were exciting, people had a blast there. No aero was involved, no gimmicks were needed. Is the search for competitive racing really that difficult ?
     
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