What Do you Think of the New Package?

Discussion in 'NASCAR chat' started by Speedbowl14, Feb 25, 2019.

  1. Speedbowl14

    Speedbowl14 Ryan Preece and short tracks

    These cars are too stable which makes the RACES more predictable. The RACING its self (cars against cars) may be closer and more competitive it seems so far. I miss guys sliding, scraping the wall, and rubbing against each other when they pushed too hard racing side-by-side. Sometimes I was faked out today and went "oh wow 4 wide!" only to see firmly planted cars come out of it, each without any type of advantage. Is that racing? Who knows.

    Whoever said this will cause "slot car racing" was dead-on. It really is that.
     
  2. bigspud

    bigspud Team Owner

    i just hope danika does not return,
    now that any no talent uber jockey can drive these cars.
     
  3. AdoubleU24

    AdoubleU24 Team Owner

    It just seems like it takes so long to track the guy in front of you down when you're each only out of the throttle a split second. And it pretty much negates the high line completely. I don't really know what to think, I'm not a fan of momentum racing. The race today was ok.
     
  4. rd45usa

    rd45usa Team Owner

    Good comparison of 2018 vs 2019 restart for last stage at Vegas.
     
  5. SlicedBread22

    SlicedBread22 #TeamJL

    I didnt mind the racing.. it wasn't what they thought it would be but I dont think anyone really wanted pack racing at Vegas anyway.

    The cars could make passes and the leader was not untouchable in clean air.

    Also I think it's safe to say at this point in the season that Team Penske is the team to beat.

    3 races in.. 2 cars in the playoffs :)
     
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  6. Team Penske

    Team Penske Team Owner

    Well look at it this way, cars are slower on every short track and road race and that is damn good racing. If raw speed is your game you may want to give up on Nascar and take up drag racing.
     
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  7. Team Penske

    Team Penske Team Owner

    I think what we have here is another Toyota whiner because they have no advantage.
     
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  8. Team Penske

    Team Penske Team Owner

    I think you watched the race with your fixed opinion in mind and only wanted to see anything that confirmed it. I saw cars bounce off the wall, cars drafting and loosing control as well as Kyle shooting himself in the foot. All in all I noticed ALL the Toyota's complaining so it tells me they loss any advantage they had.
    No 3 peat here, move on folks.
     
  9. SlicedBread22

    SlicedBread22 #TeamJL

    Hehehe "catch 22" :D
     
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  10. SlicedBread22

    SlicedBread22 #TeamJL

  11. Switchback

    Switchback Team Owner

    It was not as bad as I expected, it wasn't pack racing. It still is not what I prefer to see. I like handling and car control to be at a premium, not momentum and drafting.
     
  12. Snappy D

    Snappy D 2017 Pick Em Champion 2018 Bold Predictor

    I will say I have a hard time understanding why those in the industry who either like it or don’t like it are quick to push their opinion, almost like forcing those of us who are still on the fence about it to think like them. Even on here there are a few who are quick to say “it’s a resounding success!” or “this sucks!” I never really understood that. It’s like people can’t have their own opinions or think for themselves, but that’s the trick.....despite what you want or feel the narrative should be we all will have our own interpretations of it whether it suits your narrative or goes against it.
     
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  13. BobbyFord

    BobbyFord Resident Gearhead Contributor

    I’ve already decided what to do.
     
  14. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    eh, well, I remember not too far back, you didn't have any problem stating your opinion about how bad this horrific package was going to be before they turned a wheel. If that is on the fence, it's a new one on me. And I was the dark Hun for even trying to explain the packages for the different sized tracks. Now is not the time to get all self righteous and blast both sides now. I said many times that I was for the playoffs when they first came out, but after seeing how they worked I changed my mind. I would do the same thing here if I didn't like the racing it produced. But so far at the first 1.5 track it has been tried on, I thought it was pretty good and I can see it's potential especially if a late race caution happens. I am not surprised that almost the same top 10 that finishes every race were in the top 10 at this race.
     
  15. ChexOrWrex

    ChexOrWrex Ya gotta wanna

    No. What we have here are race car drivers that cant drive the race car. Wide open throttle and hope your team has built the best handling car. Their frustrations are warranted.
     
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  16. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    I thought that was always the case
     
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  17. ChexOrWrex

    ChexOrWrex Ya gotta wanna

    Wow.
     
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  18. Turtle84

    Turtle84 Crew Chief

    Yep, I'll take the top one. The bottom although side by side for much longer, looks like they're stuck hitting a massive wall of air.
     
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  19. AdoubleU24

    AdoubleU24 Team Owner

    NASCAR must be pissed that they didn't get their pack racing. They won't sleep until they do.

     
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  20. Turtle84

    Turtle84 Crew Chief

    They designed it for carnage, and did not get carnage. They'll be consulting the braintrust.
     
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  21. FLRacingFan

    FLRacingFan Team Owner

    I mean, it's not unlike what Harvick and Logano and may others said. A lot of on-throttle time was the norm. Go back and watch Joey's VL interview when he had the headset on with the FOX booth - he said there was hardly lifting.

    They were not carrying over 160 MPH through the corners at Las Vegas previously as they were yesterday. The distinction yesterday between maximum and minimum speed was below 20 MPH - well below what was previously seen at Las Vegas.

    I don't really care if you enjoyed it or not but the driver inputs weren't the same. Whole different story.
     
  22. Acs

    Acs Team Owner

    So this package isn't the "pack racing" we were all promised, which depending on your view is either a good or bad thing. That aside, strictly compared to last year these last two races have been excellent by 1.5 standards.

    One of the biggest differences I can see is just how the drivers go about battling each other. In the low downforce era, a better handling car would simply dive into the corner and blow by the car ahead without much time lost. Some may call that good racing but to me it takes the driver vs driver element (one of the big selling points of NASCAR) out of it. Yesterday and at Atlanta was so much different.

    The leader and 2nd place car could trade places back and forth over the course of multiple laps. We saw this yesterday with Kyle Busch vs Logano in stage 2 and logano vs Kez with 40 to go. When was the last time you saw a "pass-back", as humpy wheeler would say, outside of a superspeedway race? If this were last year's package Keselowski would have won the race because there'd be no way for Joey to fight back after losing the lead in lapped traffic.

    I have no idea why this is, because from a technical standpoint it makes no sense. Clint Bowyer and Denny Hamlin were complaining that the track was single groove because why do anything else beside hold it wide open around the bottom, the shortest way around? And yet we saw cars get huge runs off the top lane all race long. Slide jobs and crossover moves shouldn't be a thing when everybody has so much grip and yet that's exactly what happened. From the TV perspective Vegas and Atlanta looked a lot like a typical intermediate race, but with better restarts, better battles up front, and closer intervals. That's a win in my book.
     
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  23. Turtle84

    Turtle84 Crew Chief

    Comments on "the package"

     
  24. SlicedBread22

    SlicedBread22 #TeamJL

    A lot of people that say that are probably the same ones who complained about the racing last year. Not saying you're one of them.. Just saying.

    I for one have no complaints.. I didnt last year and I dont this year.. I like watching racing in every form. Cars on track is what I look for in a race. The rest is what it is.
     
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  25. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    :D:D:D

    [​IMG]
     
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  26. Acs

    Acs Team Owner

    Oh, one other thing: if this kind of racing happens at Talladega, fans are gonna flip sh*t.
     
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  27. Turtle84

    Turtle84 Crew Chief

    Good points. You basically described everything I liked about it yesterday.
     
  28. SlicedBread22

    SlicedBread22 #TeamJL

    I duno.. to me it looked like the fastest cars could pass people. Then again maybe it's the cars who can get by people that make them the fastest.. oh wait.. that's how racing works

    I have to conclude at this time that Kyle did not have the fastest car. So yes.. naturally ..that is NASCARs fault :rolleyes:
     
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  29. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    but, but they aren't going 160 in the corners, their inputs are off.
     
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  30. Turtle84

    Turtle84 Crew Chief

    Yeah definitely not, I loved last year and beyond.
     
  31. SlicedBread22

    SlicedBread22 #TeamJL

    I love how he says he was running 31 flats til he caught Harvick then ran slower.. yes Kyle that's how drafting works.. someone give that man a cookie!

    Catching a car doesnt make a good car.. passing them does. I've seen the Penske cars pass a lot of cars the past two races. Front of the pack or back of the pack they could drive up there and make passes. They're clearly ahead of the curve.
     
  32. SlicedBread22

    SlicedBread22 #TeamJL

    Same. Like I said I'm not saying it about you but there definitely are people who complained last year but now praise last year compared to this year.

    I think the racing has been great so far in all 3 events.
     
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  33. LouieLouie

    LouieLouie Team Owner

    NASCAR got extremely lucky yesterday. They wanted pack racing and didn't get it, but the fact that they can't make in-car track bar adjustments saved the day, otherwise I think Harvick would have led every lap yesterday.

    Clean air is definitely king once again. As teams get more experience with this package I expect less passing on long runs. Also, when NASCAR decides to start throwing phantom cautions with 20-30 laps to go, that's when the carnage will show up. 25-35 cars side by side with no way to pass each other. That will get "interesting" real quick.
     
  34. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    STEVE O'DONNELL: I was. You know, you go back even before the race, and I think even some of the media and it probably came from the garage, we're going to wreck the entire field, this isn't going to be a race. Didn't happen. Some said Nascar's goal is pack racing. Not the case. Our goal was to bring cars closer together, have more lead changes, but again, was surprised. I think if we had more green flag restarts I think you probably would have seen one or two wrecks, but we'll see. It's early, again, and I'd rather err on the side of not wrecking cars and having some lead changes versus having that happen through accidents.

    STEVE O'DONNELL: I think that's fair. You look at it, and I've learned a long time ago to ‑‑ I think Mike telling me, hey, let the race play out, and that's what happens. You never know. I was certainly glad to see that drivers were able to come up and make a pass for sure and thought Stage 2 and 3 were much more the direction we wanted to see for this race.

    http://slpage.webfactional.com/odonnell.html
     
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  35. SlicedBread22

    SlicedBread22 #TeamJL

    :XXROFL:
     
  36. LouieLouie

    LouieLouie Team Owner

     
  37. LouieLouie

    LouieLouie Team Owner

  38. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Team Owner

    As far as the racing goes I’m in the camp that doesn’t care for slot car momentum style currently on display. The bigger question is will this style of racing encourage young people to check the series out or entice former fans to take another look?
     
  39. Speedbowl14

    Speedbowl14 Ryan Preece and short tracks

    NASCAR wanted closer racing where the leader couldn't get out front, and they wanted drafting. These goals were explicitly stated (unlike "pack racing" and "big wrecks" which were NOT said).

    Harvick was jumping out to 4+ second leads...and the leader had a definite advantage because...those big spoilers make DIRTY AIR unless you're right behind the guy...not drafting.

    So I'd say NASCAR really f'd up with their company goals. Steve should be sweating bullets. 2 races in with this new package and both winners were from the same team. Unfortunately in this sport the gap between the "haves" and the "have nots" tends to grow with time...not shrink...
     
  40. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    They did? that's funny, the stats have been posted many times, they set a record for passes for the lead, and a 100‑hundred lap green flag run with no cautions, top four within 2.5 seconds of each other at the finish. Hey I'm not jumping up like a fan boy but dang if that isn't closer racing with last laps fighting for the lead, I really don't know what race some people watched.
     

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