What Do you Think of the New Package?

Discussion in 'NASCAR chat' started by Speedbowl14, Feb 25, 2019.

  1. Larsonfan1995

    Larsonfan1995 Team Owner

    The other day I watched Rusty Wallace vs Bill Elliott at Indy in 2002. Elliott was a little faster and inched closer and closer to Rusty's bumper till he got close enough to get him loose and out of the groove and went on by. If they were in Gen 6 cars Rusty would've won because Bill never would've gotten close enough.
     
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  2. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    yeah Suarez and Newman never happened.:cuckoo:
     
  3. Ventisca

    Ventisca Team Owner

    Magnets. Big magnets. Both bumpers and on sides of the cars. Reverse polarity selector switch.
     
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  4. LewTheShoe

    LewTheShoe Team Owner

    You are wrong to blame "Gen 6 cars." That 2002 pass you describe happened countless times in 2017-18. You should blame cars with excessive downforce, excessive drag, and anemic engines.
     
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  5. Larsonfan1995

    Larsonfan1995 Team Owner

    Aero push last year was almost as prevalent as this year. Not quite as bad but you still had to be 2-3 tenths better to have a hope of passing somebody.
     
  6. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    I think some hang on to every word KDB says like it is the god's honest truth.
     
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  7. RacerrecaR

    RacerrecaR Orange cone

    Brian would've gotten off on this idea
     
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  8. LewTheShoe

    LewTheShoe Team Owner

    I disagree completely. In 2018, we constantly saw the trailing driver choose to follow directly in the tire tracks of the leading car - in the dirtiest of dirty air - rather than picking a different line. We saw this even on the multi-groove tracks. Then once he closed right up, watch the leading car get loose and wash up the hill, or watch the trailing car dart low to pass. Seeing that happen over and over tells me dirty air in 2018 was not nearly the problem it is in 2019.

    In the low downforce era, blaming "dirty air" was a remnant of a lazy habit... anything one doesn't like just blame it on dirty air. Journalists, social media posts, even drivers overused that crutch, IMO. The actual fact is... there were many, many examples of cars slicing through the field from the back to the front, passing others under green flag conditions to get there. Yes, it was the good old days of racing.
     
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  9. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    they do the same thing with this package, one driver in particular if he doesn't win it's the dirty air of the package to blame. Never mind that more than once he has started in the rear and run in the top five at the end of the race. The WTF at Indy was that they were running less that a second of the 2017 low apolusia back in the day package on a 2.5 mile track with a supposed 550 HP car and supposed all kinds of drag, ducts, whatever. I still can't figure it out how with the high drag 550 package a person couldn't tell the difference. Maybe some of the see the air experts on here can clue me in. 1 mississippi.
     
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  10. 2 Sweet

    2 Sweet Legend

    Context is important. The 18 car is good enough to go from last to the top 5 in any package imaginable. That's not what Kyle's complaining about, and I think you know that.
     
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  11. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    I honestly don't know what the hell he is complaining about, probably because I don't believe a thing that comes out of his mouth. ;)
     
  12. aunty dive

    aunty dive Team Owner

    The new package is getting old.
     
  13. AuzGrams

    AuzGrams Team Owner

    Is it the old new package or the new old package??
     
  14. Spotter22

    Spotter22 Team Owner

    Turns 27 this weekend. My how time flies
     
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  15. BobbyFord

    BobbyFord Resident Gearhead Contributor

    This package sucks at LVMS.
    Flat-footed isn’t racing. At all.
     
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  16. Spotter22

    Spotter22 Team Owner

    They didnt flat foot
     
  17. DUN24

    DUN24 Skeptical of the Spectacle

    Racing wasn't nearly as good at Vegas as it was last year. That goes for all three series though so yeah..


    Still not about that high down force IndyCar with fenders life. Restarts don't make the race.
     
  18. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    even with all of the cautions and restarts in 2017, it pales in comparison to this year

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  19. jaqua19

    jaqua19 Team Owner

    I totally disagree.

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  20. Turtle84

    Turtle84 gained a step

    Logano started off pro-package, but is it just me or is he starting to get pissed off at it? Between Darlington and last week Vegas frustrations seem to be building.

    I noticed it's a tall order to protect your vehicle on restarts since you have to go balls to the wall or suffer the consequences of the wall of air.
     
  21. aunty dive

    aunty dive Team Owner

    I'm surprised they haven't gone to a 4' x 8' sheet of plywood standing up on the deck lid.
     
  22. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    and new shoes designed for flat footing.
     
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  23. aunty dive

    aunty dive Team Owner

    Shew The Lou has some steel ones.
     
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  24. gnomesayin

    gnomesayin Team Owner



    They should skip right past Gen 7 and go to Generation Wedge.

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  25. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    they aren't available yet, testing being done in the wind tunnel for downforce data
     
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  26. nitetrain

    nitetrain Crew Chief

    Wow. The V8 Supercars and Indy car get it. Take down force away and the driver has to drive the car and the racing is better.

    Rick Mears said it in an article on Motorsports.com earlier this year. High horsepower and low down force brings the bottom drivers to the top because it forces them to drive and become better. Where as ; according to Rick, high down force and low horsepower brings the top to the bottom.
    Every driver most says the same thing about aero and that is when the cars have high down force the bubble of air can't be broken to pass .
    Every series is looking into less downforce.
    Except the series ; that lost 50% of fans and viewership.
    Things that make you go hmmm.
     
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  27. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    yeah I knew when they put those big wangs on those dirt sprint cars that series was dead.
     
  28. gnomesayin

    gnomesayin Team Owner

    They still haven't come up with a wing that can get the 850-900 HP to the ground all the way around anywhere they race.

    Now if Johnny Gibson had to start asking the crowd to stand and make some noise so the drivers can hear you over the roar of those 550 HP engines, it may not go so well.
     
  29. aunty dive

    aunty dive Team Owner

    They’re not going fast enough.

    Velocity squared.
     
  30. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    if they could get those dirt sprint cars to run 190 in the corners then they would have something instead of being all bunched up like they are. Because everybody knows the best racing happens when they are single file.
     
  31. Turtle84

    Turtle84 gained a step

    Spoilers cubed.
     
  32. jaqua19

    jaqua19 Team Owner

    Larry Mac called out Kyle Busch for calling out the package saying that you can't pass. Pointed out Truex's passing which disproves Kyle's opinion on that.

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  33. BobbyFord

    BobbyFord Resident Gearhead Contributor

    Larry Mac is a dinosaur crew chief that has never driven a racecar.
    It’s not impossible to pass. Kyle passed a ton of cars Sunday. It’s certainly harder to pass, as we’ve all seen with this new crap package.
    Many top drivers have commented on coming up on a car, hitting the “wake,” pushing up the track and losing 10 spots. We’ve all witnessed it.
    High downforce and low horsepower is detrimental to competitive auto racing.
     
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  34. OldTimer

    OldTimer Team Owner

    Get rid of the aero...give 'em some horsepower, back to the minimum height including the skirts. spoiler only between the frame rails in front...and let the best driver win. Oh yeah...change the point system that along with the rules so I can see teams get damaged vehicles back in the track...just like the old days. Some of the best racing was when a driver in a pulverized car would get back on the track and take out the culprit that crashed him in the first place...especially when the culprit was leading. The fist fights in the pits were glorious!
     
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  35. LewTheShoe

    LewTheShoe Team Owner

    Don't despair. FOX will have WWE Raw (or whatever it's called) starting next month... to give you what you crave. SMH.
     
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  36. aunty dive

    aunty dive Team Owner

    Get rid of the aero ...

    Whenever I read that I think of the Jetsons.
     
  37. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    I never ask how? unless I want a good laugh
     
  38. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    Pretty much an all Toyota race. I think the three leaders were Kez Truex and KDB. Ya have to go back to 2014, 15 to find similar stats.

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  39. AuzGrams

    AuzGrams Team Owner

    Awful passing stats correlated to the lack of yellows I see.
     
  40. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    Similar stats, more passing overall, but more cautions also

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