What Do you Think of the New Package?

The other day I watched Rusty Wallace vs Bill Elliott at Indy in 2002. Elliott was a little faster and inched closer and closer to Rusty's bumper till he got close enough to get him loose and out of the groove and went on by. If they were in Gen 6 cars Rusty would've won because Bill never would've gotten close enough.
 
Larsonfan1995 said:
The other day I watched Rusty Wallace vs Bill Elliott at Indy in 2002. Elliott was a little faster and inched closer and closer to Rusty's bumper till he got close enough to get him loose and out of the groove and went on by. If they were in Gen 6 cars Rusty would've won because Bill never would've gotten close enough.
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yeah Suarez and Newman never happened.:cuckoo:
 
Larsonfan1995 said:
The other day I watched Rusty Wallace vs Bill Elliott at Indy in 2002. Elliott was a little faster and inched closer and closer to Rusty's bumper till he got close enough to get him loose and out of the groove and went on by. If they were in Gen 6 cars Rusty would've won because Bill never would've gotten close enough.
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You are wrong to blame "Gen 6 cars." That 2002 pass you describe happened countless times in 2017-18. You should blame cars with excessive downforce, excessive drag, and anemic engines.
 
LewTheShoe said:
You are wrong to blame "Gen 6 cars." That 2002 pass you describe happened countless times in 2017-18. You should blame cars with excessive downforce, excessive drag, and anemic engines.
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Aero push last year was almost as prevalent as this year. Not quite as bad but you still had to be 2-3 tenths better to have a hope of passing somebody.
 
jaqua19 said:
I just think some of us dont want to see a car unable to get to the bumper of a car that was running .2 to .3 slower. Same issue Kyle Busch talked about a Darlington. Doesn't mean the racing isn't enjoyable to us.

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I think some hang on to every word KDB says like it is the god's honest truth.
 
Larsonfan1995 said:
Aero push last year was almost as prevalent as this year. Not quite as bad but you still had to be 2-3 tenths better to have a hope of passing somebody.
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I disagree completely. In 2018, we constantly saw the trailing driver choose to follow directly in the tire tracks of the leading car - in the dirtiest of dirty air - rather than picking a different line. We saw this even on the multi-groove tracks. Then once he closed right up, watch the leading car get loose and wash up the hill, or watch the trailing car dart low to pass. Seeing that happen over and over tells me dirty air in 2018 was not nearly the problem it is in 2019.

In the low downforce era, blaming "dirty air" was a remnant of a lazy habit... anything one doesn't like just blame it on dirty air. Journalists, social media posts, even drivers overused that crutch, IMO. The actual fact is... there were many, many examples of cars slicing through the field from the back to the front, passing others under green flag conditions to get there. Yes, it was the good old days of racing.
 
LewTheShoe said:
I disagree completely. In 2018, we constantly saw the trailing driver choose to follow directly in the tire tracks of the leading car - in the dirtiest of dirty air - rather than picking a different line. We saw this even on the multi-groove tracks. Then once he closed right up, watch the leading car get loose and wash up the hill, or watch the trailing car dart low to pass. Seeing that happen over and over tells me dirty air in 2018 was not nearly the problem it is in 2019.

In the low downforce era, blaming "dirty air" was a remnant of a lazy habit... anything one doesn't like just blame it on dirty air. Journalists, social media posts, even drivers overused that crutch, IMO. The actual fact is... there were many, many examples of cars slicing through the field from the back to the front, passing others under green flag conditions to get there. Yes, it was the good old days of racing.
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they do the same thing with this package, one driver in particular if he doesn't win it's the dirty air of the package to blame. Never mind that more than once he has started in the rear and run in the top five at the end of the race. The WTF at Indy was that they were running less that a second of the 2017 low apolusia back in the day package on a 2.5 mile track with a supposed 550 HP car and supposed all kinds of drag, ducts, whatever. I still can't figure it out how with the high drag 550 package a person couldn't tell the difference. Maybe some of the see the air experts on here can clue me in. 1 mississippi.
 
2 Sweet said:
Context is important. The 18 car is good enough to go from last to the top 5 in any package imaginable. That's not what Kyle's complaining about, and I think you know that.
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I honestly don't know what the hell he is complaining about, probably because I don't believe a thing that comes out of his mouth. ;)
 
even with all of the cautions and restarts in 2017, it pales in comparison to this year

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Logano started off pro-package, but is it just me or is he starting to get pissed off at it? Between Darlington and last week Vegas frustrations seem to be building.

I noticed it's a tall order to protect your vehicle on restarts since you have to go balls to the wall or suffer the consequences of the wall of air.
 
Wow. The V8 Supercars and Indy car get it. Take down force away and the driver has to drive the car and the racing is better.

Rick Mears said it in an article on Motorsports.com earlier this year. High horsepower and low down force brings the bottom drivers to the top because it forces them to drive and become better. Where as ; according to Rick, high down force and low horsepower brings the top to the bottom.
Every driver most says the same thing about aero and that is when the cars have high down force the bubble of air can't be broken to pass .
Every series is looking into less downforce.
Except the series ; that lost 50% of fans and viewership.
Things that make you go hmmm.
 
StandOnIt said:
yeah I knew when they put those big wangs on those dirt sprint cars that series was dead.
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They still haven't come up with a wing that can get the 850-900 HP to the ground all the way around anywhere they race.

Now if Johnny Gibson had to start asking the crowd to stand and make some noise so the drivers can hear you over the roar of those 550 HP engines, it may not go so well.
 
if they could get those dirt sprint cars to run 190 in the corners then they would have something instead of being all bunched up like they are. Because everybody knows the best racing happens when they are single file.
 
Larry Mac called out Kyle Busch for calling out the package saying that you can't pass. Pointed out Truex's passing which disproves Kyle's opinion on that.

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Larry Mac is a dinosaur crew chief that has never driven a racecar.
It’s not impossible to pass. Kyle passed a ton of cars Sunday. It’s certainly harder to pass, as we’ve all seen with this new crap package.
Many top drivers have commented on coming up on a car, hitting the “wake,” pushing up the track and losing 10 spots. We’ve all witnessed it.
High downforce and low horsepower is detrimental to competitive auto racing.
 
Get rid of the aero...give 'em some horsepower, back to the minimum height including the skirts. spoiler only between the frame rails in front...and let the best driver win. Oh yeah...change the point system that along with the rules so I can see teams get damaged vehicles back in the track...just like the old days. Some of the best racing was when a driver in a pulverized car would get back on the track and take out the culprit that crashed him in the first place...especially when the culprit was leading. The fist fights in the pits were glorious!
 
OldTimer said:
Some of the best racing (sic) was when a driver in a pulverized car would get back on the track and take out the culprit that crashed him in the first place...especially when the culprit was leading. The fist fights in the pits were glorious!
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Don't despair. FOX will have WWE Raw (or whatever it's called) starting next month... to give you what you crave. SMH.
 
Get rid of the aero ...

Whenever I read that I think of the Jetsons.
 
Pretty much an all Toyota race. I think the three leaders were Kez Truex and KDB. Ya have to go back to 2014, 15 to find similar stats.

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