What Do you Think of the New Package?

DUN24 said:
Everyone gets what you're saying. The humor comes from the fact that you are defending the current rules package tooth-and-nail, and it is the lack of track bite on the track that irks you.
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I guess you can twist it around so that makes sense to ya.:cuckoo: Like I said I liked the race at Michigan AND I thought it could be better.
 
StandOnIt said:
I guess you can twist it around so that makes sense to ya.:cuckoo: Like I said I liked the race at Michigan AND I thought it could be better.
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So sassy... Just trying to paint the picture for you.

Also yeah, I agree.. I thought Larson's wallriding deathrace was way more captivating than the draft fest on Monday. Atleast they "passed" eachother. Didn't complete many but stats don't lie amirite?
 
StandOnIt said:
Michigan being a recent repave, I can't understand why they didn't work the track and open up more lanes if they couldn't use the better splitter they used at the All Star. SMI has done a great job of working their tracks, but Nascar put the traction compound down in the preferred groove at Michigan. o_O
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If we must have glue, glue everything on the track !
 
I did see a Reddit post a while back suggesting speed bumps and high powered fans to help the air and what not.
 
I personally think track additives are goofy. The track is the track and always was. Adding fake traction is inherently wrong If you have to do that you have a serious problem.
I agree that watching Larson rim ride was awesome to watch.
 
I don't mind the track additives, but it does say your track doesn't have enough character in some situations. I think it is wrong at Bristol because they keep trying to fix that place.
 
StandOnIt said:
that's a new one. :cheers:
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That's the cycle with every change NASCAR makes to the chassis. Every change is exciting at first because the teams haven't figured out how to exploit the new package, but once they start to slowly figure it out, it slowly goes back to the boring snooze-fest of follow the leader.
 
StandOnIt said:
SMI has done a great job of working their tracks, but Nascar put the traction compound down in the preferred groove at Michigan.
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I don't remember any mention of Track Bite at Michigan. Was it a secret, or did I just miss it?

machinistman3 said:
I personally think track additives are goofy. The track is the track and always was. Adding fake traction is inherently wrong....
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Do you feel the same way about progressive banking? Or really, any banking at all? Banking is just fake traction.
 
LewTheShoe said:
I don't remember any mention of Track Bite at Michigan. Was it a secret, or did I just miss it?
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I believe it was Harvick that was talking about it when I heard about it, and you could see the thin line of it in the corners. They didn't use hardly any it looked like.
 
LewTheShoe said:
I don't remember any mention of Track Bite at Michigan. Was it a secret, or did I just miss it?

Do you feel the same way about progressive banking? Or really, any banking at all? Banking is just fake traction.
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Does banking require reapplication?Does banking wash off?
Apples to oranges
 
StandOnIt said:
I believe it was Harvick that was talking about it when I heard about it, and you could see the thin line of it in the corners. They didn't use hardly any it looked like.
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Pretty sure all they did was drag tires at Michigan, no track bite.
 
Matt Weaver at Autoweek has published a scathing review of 2019 Nascar cup racing in an opinion piece titled "The Unhappiest NASCAR Season Ever." He does a pretty good job of setting up the two opposing factions... entertainment product vs. sporting integrity... but he leaves no doubt as to where his sentiments lie.

There are those who claim such an article, which is clearly labeled as opinion, should not even exist. Nonsense, I say. Weaver is knowledgeable and hard-working. He fully understands the facts of the matter, has ample access to industry insiders, and has used all these resources to form his opinions. Worth a read...

https://autoweek.com/article/monster-energy-nascar-cup/opinion-unhappiest-nascar-season-ever
OPINION: THE UNHAPPIEST NASCAR SEASON EVER

When no one seems to be having fun in the Cup Series, how are fans supposed to?

This might go down as the angriest season in NASCAR history.

Or perhaps the unhappiest, most disgruntled or perpetually annoyed campaign in the modern era. Pick your own vitriolic definition.

The point is that everyone is irritated and acts as if they would rather be doing something else.

On Monday at Michigan, some of that was surely the rain-delayed nature of the FireKeepers Casino 400, especially frustrating given its postponement further delaying a rare off week at the sport’s highest level.

So certainly, there were folks who just wanted to get the hell out of Dodge. There were also folks who just want to feel like actual race car drivers again.

Despite pleas from certain fans, a handful of reporters and a subset of the industry, we are not going to stop talking about the package, and what it means at each individual track, in addition to its larger implications about NASCAR’s future.

This is the story of the 2019 Monster Energy NASCAR Cup Series season, and it’s not going to go away simply because it’s annoying.

It’s necessary.

And some of those frustrations boiled over on Monday as drivers were once again tasked with driving wide open on the throttle around one of the sport’s largest tracks under the guise of a major league motorsport.

On one hand, we don’t have another juicy Kyle Busch quote this week, because per his request, no one asked him about the package.

Instead, Clint Bowyer and Martin Truex Jr. offered pointed criticism, using the zingers, "This isn't racing, I'm sorry, I'm biting my tongue," and "This is a frustrating way to race." And while partially encouraged by problems on pit road, Kevin Harvick once again provided his best Marshawn Lynch impression with "I just drive," "I don't know" and "I just did my job."

And the most frustrating element of this race is that it truly was undoubtedly the most entertaining Cup race at Michigan in quite some time.

Sure, Joey Logano was untouchable up front, leading all but 40 laps, but he clearly had the best car. He’s not supposed to be easy to pass.

Meanwhile, the middle of the field featured pack racing and three-wide action aplenty, which also led to some driver frustration. With this package, drivers were essentially penalized for completing a pass, drafting on the straights and running into a wall of air in the corners, which forced them to lose the position they had just gained on the other side of the racetrack -- all while just mashing the gas on what is essentially a one-groove racetrack.

It’s antithetical to everything they’ve spent their careers doing to make it to this level in the first place. To that point, this is ultimately the biggest point of contention for everyone on both sides of the 2019 package debate: No one is having the same conversation with each other, creating the toxic environment in which we all currently reside.

NASCAR touts passing statistics each week as evidence that the high-downforce, low-horsepower formula is directionally sound. Its detractors point to the loss of traditional racing characteristics like throttle control, drivability and tire management.

The driver’s council dissolved after most of its members claimed they felt NASCAR wasn’t listening.

This package debate isn't going anywhere on a weekly basis because one side is trumping the virtues of entertainment while the other is lamenting the loss of sporting integrity. There is no middle ground with this formula as one has been sacrificed in exchange for the other.

And there’s undoubtedly a market for both, meaning one side is going to crash and burn out when NASCAR’s Gen-7 race car arrives in 2021.

NASCAR officials are in a thankless, unenviable position these days. They have spent so long this decade trying to ensure a four-way championship tie each season, green flag race-ending shootouts and pack racing throughout the field that there comes a point where the fan base becomes insatiable.

In the process, NASCAR has lost its identity and is struggling to find itself in 2019. That breeds discontent from all corners of the industry and threatens to tear it apart in the coming years.

Ask the Indy-car community how this story ends.

That’s why this weekly narrative shouldn’t be taken lightly. It’s not sustainable.

If those who work at the highest level aren’t having fun, how are the fans supposed to find joy each week?
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I don't know who said it shouldn't exist, could be more fake news. There are those making a buck off off the sport, sure had a lot of them last year parroting the same things about record falling attendance, and the crappy racing product, on and on. Did it really help anything? Does hard working whistle britches hatchet job mean anything other than he agrees with half of twitterdum? Looks to me he is riding the drama. None of them last year yapping about the problems or this latest yap, the passes aren't the right kind B.S. Are they really helping the sport? I think not.
 
LewTheShoe said:
Matt Weaver at Autoweek has published a scathing review of 2019 Nascar cup racing in an opinion piece titled "The Unhappiest NASCAR Season Ever." He does a pretty good job of setting up the two opposing factions... entertainment product vs. sporting integrity... but he leaves no doubt as to where his sentiments lie.

There are those who claim such an article, which is clearly labeled as opinion, should not even exist. Nonsense, I say. Weaver is knowledgeable and hard-working. He fully understands the facts of the matter, has ample access to industry insiders, and has used all these resources to form his opinions. Worth a read...

https://autoweek.com/article/monster-energy-nascar-cup/opinion-unhappiest-nascar-season-ever
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You gotta wonder if anyone at NASCAR reads sports media, social media or internet forums. It sure doesn’t seem like it.
 
LewTheShoe said:
Matt Weaver at Autoweek has published a scathing review of 2019 Nascar cup racing in an opinion piece titled "The Unhappiest NASCAR Season Ever." He does a pretty good job of setting up the two opposing factions... entertainment product vs. sporting integrity... but he leaves no doubt as to where his sentiments lie.

There are those who claim such an article, which is clearly labeled as opinion, should not even exist. Nonsense, I say. Weaver is knowledgeable and hard-working. He fully understands the facts of the matter, has ample access to industry insiders, and has used all these resources to form his opinions. Worth a read...

https://autoweek.com/article/monster-energy-nascar-cup/opinion-unhappiest-nascar-season-ever
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Holy Smoke what a hit job and this guy likes to play with the quotes. His first from Kevin Harvick " I just drive" is complete bull**** if he's trying to say Kevin was commenting on the package, his qualifier that it was "partially brought on by pit road miscues" is more bull****. I see a couple of quotes attributed to Bowyer and Truex but he doesnt say which one said which quote and gave no context. Sorry but as noted its an opinion piece and its his but I can assure him not "everyone" is unhappy like he opines.
 
BobbyFord said:
You gotta wonder if anyone at NASCAR reads sports media, social media or internet forums. It sure doesn’t seem like it.
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What are you wanting them to do? Do you really think NASCAR doesnt have social media positions in thier organization?
 
Spotter22 said:
Holy Smoke what a hit job and this guy likes to play with the quotes. His first from Kevin Harvick " I just drive" is complete bull**** if he's trying to say Kevin was commenting on the package, his qualifier that it was "partially brought on by pit road miscues" is more bull****. I see a couple of quotes attributed to Bowyer and Truex but he doesnt say which one said which quote and gave no context. Sorry but as noted its an opinion piece and its his but I can assure him not "everyone" is unhappy like he opines.
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Probably most can't spare the bandwidth, but Kurt and Truex on Radioactive when Jones spun in the infield, it shure sounded like they thought they had something for Logano before the yellow flew. Kurt enjoyed the heck out of the race also. I expect they will all continue to dog the sport and think they have really important reasons for doing so. :idunno:
 
Not "everyone" is unhappy but NASCAR is oblivious if they don't realize they need to go back to the drawing board at something. I just don't understand why there isn't more tweaking of these "packages" at certain style of tracks but I'm not an expert.

If only they ran more smooth progressively (or multi) banked 1.5 mile night races - this package would be the best.
 
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AuzGrams said:
Not "everyone" is unhappy but NASCAR is oblivious if they don't realize they need to go back to the drawing board at something. I just don't understand why there isn't more tweaking of these "packages" at certain style of tracks but I'm not an expert.

If only they ran more smooth progressively (or multi) banked 1.5 mile night races - this package would be the best.
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If only they threw this package in the trash and went back to the 2018 set up.
 
AuzGrams said:
Not "everyone" is unhappy but NASCAR is oblivious if they don't realize they need to go back to the drawing board at something. I just don't understand why there isn't more tweaking of these "packages" at certain style of tracks but I'm not an expert.
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True, more like it than not. It isn't easy making changes to the cars from what I have read. They can't do much because of the OEM's. The OEM's have spent a bundle scienceing out everything and they have the final say unless Nascar gives them something like a year lead time. Can ya imagine if they did? :eek: Heads would explode around here and everywhere's else. I do enjoy the lengths some of the complainers have gone to discredit something or other. But they aren't helping anything or accomplishing anything positive except stroking their individual ego's.
 
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