What do you think of the NextGen Car?

I think they either need to go big, or more air

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aunty dive said:
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The old car would occasionally get stuck in the grass. This car frequently won't roll on asphalt after it's pushed out of the grass. Needs more ground clearance, or? Do you have any ideas or opinion or are you just gonna continue to bust my balls for expressing mine? Come on man. Participate in the discussion. Please? I used to look forward to your replies. Short but on point. How about we bury the hatchet. Preferably not in my back! ;)
 
What if rim size was increased a inch so it could ride on the rim
 
Spotter22 said:
I said idea could be tweaked and we are spit balling right now. This is an unusual circumstance and I was trying to balance laps made up and too many caution flag laps being run.
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Understood, but I can just hear teams and fans screaming the first time a car wins without completing the same number of laps as the others. At the plate tracks, restarting at the back is hardly a penalty. =IF= having a tire change without losing a lap is the way to go (and I don't think it is), I prefer the notion of the pack stopping while the affected cars make multiple wave-arounds. If the tire change occurs during the first two stages, the laps could be made up during the stage break.

Personally, I'd prefer they find a way for the damaged car to limp back to the pits on its own.
 
KTMLew01 said:
The old car would occasionally get stuck in the grass. This car frequently won't roll on asphalt after it's pushed out of the grass. Needs more ground clearance, or? Do you have any ideas or opinion or are you just gonna continue to bust my balls for expressing mine? Come on man. Participate in the discussion. Please? I used to look forward to your replies. Short but on point. How about we bury the hatchet. Preferably not in my back! ;)
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Every time I post a response to you I’m treated like a child. Do you need a 3 paragraph explanation of my visualization of small metal rollers holding up 3400 lbs while trying to move through wet grass?

You need a haircut. Grab a hand mirror and the Pinking shears and take care of that. And be careful up there on the porch roof.

There ... are you happy now? Your “fix” is garbage. Have a nice day.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
I'm still not clear on why they can't go back to the 15" wheels and inner liners, or whatever wheel diameter will permit liners.
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I think the whole rub block thing is a bust. If they go to smaller wheels and fatter tires you know the teams will find a way to put them on the ground. If they revise the rub blocks to keep them from that, they will be stuck on track just like they are now.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Understood, but I can just hear teams and fans screaming the first time a car wins without completing the same number of laps as the others. At the plate tracks, restarting at the back is hardly a penalty. =IF= having a tire change without losing a lap is the way to go (and I don't think it is), I prefer the notion of the pack stopping while the affected cars make multiple wave-arounds. If the tire change occurs during the first two stages, the laps could be made up during the stage break.

Personally, I'd prefer they find a way for the damaged car to limp back to the pits on its own.
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Its kinda funny. Before we ran this car we heard it wasnt safe, too ridgid, that the wheels with one lug would be a problem etc... but no one knew a thing about the rub blocks and that alone is the bug a boo with this car and the cause of sleepless nights. lol Right out of left field as they say
 
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Spotter22 said:
Brakes wont fit. Thats a lot of money to throw away. Wheels etc...
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I'm ignorant regarding any automotive mechanism beyond replacing the light bulbs. Are the old brakes not an option? They worked on the old car, and this one isn't going any faster.

Yeah, it's money, but is sticking with the unsuitable parts worth the weekly clown show?
 
Charlie Spencer said:
I'm ignorant regarding any automotive mechanism beyond replacing the light bulbs. Are the old brakes not an option? They worked on the old car, and this one isn't going any faster.

Yeah, it's money, but is sticking with the unsuitable parts worth the weekly clown show?
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Oh so you are talking going back to the complete old system? Man, so many things to unpack on that. Mainly Goodyear has a **** load of Tires and research into the new one lol
 
Spotter22 said:
Oh so you are talking going back to the complete old system? Man, so many things to unpack on that. Mainly Goodyear has a **** load of Tires and research into the new one lol
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As you noted, we’re just spitballing. I’d prefer a solution that prevents the problem as opposed to one that’s used after the problem occurs. Vaccination instead of hospitalization, if you will.
 
I don't know much about the single nut wheel family, but it seems like a wheel that would fit the brakes, spindles etc, and a tire that is thicker that Goodyear has in inventory would be worth looking into.
 
I'll quote myself here......

2 Sweet said:
I'm wondering how much more sidewall they need for an inner liner. Could they sacrifice an inch and run a 17" wheel without having to go with a smaller brake package?
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Maybe the simple solution would be to modify/raise/shorten the rub blocks to gain more clearance without making them ineffective? I wonder how much room they have to work with, if any.
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Not knowing any of the details/answers to these questions, I'm just assuming one of these potential solutions would be the most feasible. Tires with inner liners, or rub blocks that don't bottom out. But I have no idea if either of these are easily attainable.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
As you noted, we’re just spitballing. I’d prefer a solution that prevents the problem as opposed to one that’s used after the problem occurs. Vaccination instead of hospitalization, if you will.
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Bingo.
 
2 Sweet said:
I'll quote myself here......





Not knowing any of the details/answers to these questions, I'm just assuming one of these potential solutions would be the most feasible. Tires with inner liners, or rub blocks that don't bottom out. But I have no idea if either of these are easily attainable.
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I could but why? lol.
 
aunty dive said:
Every time I post a response to you I’m treated like a child. Do you need a 3 paragraph explanation of my visualization of small metal rollers holding up 3400 lbs while trying to move through wet grass?

You need a haircut. Grab a hand mirror and the Pinking shears and take care of that. And be careful up there on the porch roof.

There ... are you happy now? Your “fix” is garbage. Have a nice day.
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"Small metal rollers"? Who said anything about small metal rollers? I'm not talking about Harbor Fright casters. How about 8" wide rollers made out of high quality steel with tapered bearings (wheel bearing) in the ends? They could be 6" in diameter with 3 inches below bottom of chassis. None of them will need to support 3400 lbs. There is four of them. With 4 flats we need to know chassis weight distribution to even guess. Your answers sometimes are so simplified I feel they need to be expanded on for some others here. It's a discussion forum. Why are you here if NOT to discuss?🧐🧐🧐
 
KTMLew01 said:
"Small metal rollers"? Who said anything about small metal rollers? I'm not talking about Harbor Fright casters. How about 8" wide rollers made out of high quality steel with tapered bearings (wheel bearing) in the ends? They could be 6" in diameter with 3 inches below bottom of chassis. None of them will need to support 3400 lbs. There is four of them. With 4 flats we need to know chassis weight distribution to even guess. Your answers sometimes are so simplified I feel they need to be expanded on for some others here. It's a discussion forum. Why are you here if NOT to discuss?🧐🧐🧐
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The bottom of the car is thin plastic for the most part. It's not an easy fix
 
StandOnIt said:
I don't know much about the single nut wheel family, but it seems like a wheel that would fit the brakes, spindles etc, and a tire that is thicker that Goodyear has in inventory would be worth looking into.
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The tires seem to come off the beads on these. Not much traction available when wheel spins in tire. Maybe bead locks like dirt cars?
 
2 Sweet said:
I'll quote myself here......





Not knowing any of the details/answers to these questions, I'm just assuming one of these potential solutions would be the most feasible. Tires with inner liners, or rub blocks that don't bottom out. But I have no idea if either of these are easily attainable.
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These same ideas have been brought up by others, and I guarantee the engineers at Nascar are looking at them also
 
aunty dive said:
Every time I post a response to you I’m treated like a child. Do you need a 3 paragraph explanation of my visualization of small metal rollers holding up 3400 lbs while trying to move through wet grass?

You need a haircut. Grab a hand mirror and the Pinking shears and take care of that. And be careful up there on the porch roof.

There ... are you happy now? Your “fix” is garbage. Have a nice day.
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I’m not interested in discussing solutions to a mechanical / design problem that includes 5 fully costumed clowns jumping out of a VW Beetle on the front straight in front of a packed grandstand.

Or 8” metal rollers. The mind wanders.
 
KTMLew01 said:
The rub blocks are attached to the chassis
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No they aren't
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No they aren't
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aunty dive said:
I’m not interested in discussing solutions to a mechanical / design problem that includes 5 fully costumed clowns jumping out of a VW Beetle on the front straight in front of a packed grandstand.

Or 8” metal rollers. The mind wanders.
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In theory, a car with flat tires on one side, could limp to the pits on said rollers. No clowns needed. I thought that's what we were talking about? Getting rid of the 2-3 lap car retrieval process. Maybe I've lost the thread?
 
StandOnIt said:
No they aren't
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I'll look again but I don't see the rub blocks. I'd be surprised if the rub blocks would stay attached to plastic when hitting the track at 180 +.
 
I don't doubt that several teams have already came up with solutions to fix the flat tire/rub block problem. These engineers are incredibly smart. The only question is will nascar accept the solution

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Charlie Spencer said:
As you noted, we’re just spitballing. I’d prefer a solution that prevents the problem as opposed to one that’s used after the problem occurs. Vaccination instead of hospitalization, if you will.
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I gotcha and I’ll be honest , I don’t know exactly what it would take to go back to the 15inch wheel as far as chassis design with the independent suspension. I don’t think they could mount a 5 star hub on in place of the one they use now without a lot of modification but if that’s possible I’d be all for it. Maybe we could put out a red flag immediately as soon as someone gets a flat tire and can’t move and make everyone stop in place until the offending car gets a tire replacement, But it’s a doughnut and you would have to go to the pits to have a real tire put on! I’m just saying lol. But seriously they are going to have to figure something out and like this weekend
 
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No they aren't
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According to Bozi on Twitter, attached to chassis. He said NO on the roller idea. DAMN IT!
 
Here’s a wild crazy idea, remove the blocks and set minimum heights for the front end so they can’t seal off.
 
I remember 45+ years ago guys built winch trucks, old version of roll-backs that didn't roll-back, that had a 6-8" pipe, in sections, on bearings running across end of bed. That was so the winch cable didn't cut into the bed and whatever was being drug on didn't snag. It worked. Water tank trucks used to transport tanks to well locations also used same thing. HUGE loads on them.

I still think it's an option. But It's possible it won't work.
 
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