What should NASCAR do with Qualifying?

Discussion in 'NASCAR chat' started by Turtle84, Mar 30, 2019.

  1. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Team Owner

    I’m on board with that. You could have one drawing for position and one for pit selection if you wanted to add to the drama.
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  2. kyle18fan

    kyle18fan Proud member of Rowdy Nation Contributor

    Equal opportunity for all ! whats not to like ? They could do a one hour show for the drawing, give the fans at the track some access. Hell, they could even have a fan draw for their driver
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  3. MRM

    MRM Team Owner

    Go back to single car qualifying or heat races.
  4. Zerkfitting

    Zerkfitting Team Owner

    I agree. I tuned in to see how qualifying was going Friday only to see a parking lot at the end of pit road. I changed the channel.
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  5. Team Penske

    Team Penske Team Owner

    I was really pi$$ed that Canadian TV ( TSN) didn't show qualifying.
    When I heard what went on, I wasn't pi$$ed no more.
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  6. RacerrecaR

    RacerrecaR Orange cone

    2 short heat races day of the race. The lineup would be based on average practice finishing order for all sessions. No provisionals allowed.
  7. Turtle84

    Turtle84 Chastain Supporter

    Documented. Great rant for the people.

  8. AdoubleU24

    AdoubleU24 Team Owner


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  9. FLRacingFan

    FLRacingFan Team Owner

    This guy is absolutely insufferable.
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  10. AdoubleU24

    AdoubleU24 Team Owner

    I just want to give a huge thank you to the drivers for not playing in their reindeer games this past weekend.
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  11. Charlie Spencer

    Charlie Spencer Short tracks and road courses rule.


    If they're going to do it at the drafting tracks, they might as well do it everywhere. Excluding the road courses, non-drafting tracks are smaller so Q laps take less (TV) time anyway.
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  12. ReturnTrip

    ReturnTrip Team Owner

    aka, single-car won't be popular with the tv executives that are running the sport
  13. Charlie Spencer

    Charlie Spencer Short tracks and road courses rule.

    Drivers and crew chiefs are doing what they get paid to do - be as competitive as allowed by the box they're stuck in. I may not like what they're doing in the least but I fully understand why their doing it.
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  14. Stu Jameson

    Stu Jameson Team Owner

    I think that's exactly why so many have lost interest in NASCAR.Gimmicks.Whats next,drivers will be taken to a remote location outside the track and blinfolded.They have one hour to find a qualifying eligibility coin hidden in the front grandstand.Once they find the coin ,and are then eligible,they must juggle a fruit of their choice while singing Michael Jackson songs before eating five track dogs with chili.Once they have completed these steps they have to run to turn four from the pits and quote three lines from War and Peace then it's on to the...........
    . Single car qualifying. The KISS method.Worked for years.
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  15. Simple Fan

    Simple Fan First or Last

    Not a bad idea, all they need a rabbit to chase.
  16. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    hope they go back to single car like O'Donnell is talking about and if they use the ghost car that shows the line and speed the other driver runs it is the best situation for qualifying IMO. I'm sure we will get the stages at the road courses that really suck for races that pit strategy is usually one of the most important factors about the race.
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  17. Kiante

    Kiante Team Owner

    Today is April 1st...
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  18. Zerkfitting

    Zerkfitting Team Owner

    They could do single car qualifying with multiple cars on the track if they ensure space between them. A light at the end of pit road could time the spacing. But I'm pretty sure the teams would figure out a way to game that system too.
  19. Pat

    Pat Team Owner

    Booo :(
  20. Kiante

    Kiante Team Owner

    I'm not believing anything on twitter for the next 11 hours.
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  21. gnomesayin

    gnomesayin Team Owner

    But I thought the show business qualifying had been so...show-y and entertaining, and had everyone talking. Everyone from Jeff Gluck to Mike Bagley ("Greatest qualifying ever") to Noah Gragson said so. I don't get what the problem is and why they'd make a change.
  22. Charlie Spencer

    Charlie Spencer Short tracks and road courses rule.

    That's silly, Just eat enough chocolate bars until you find a golden ticket.
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  23. Charlie Spencer

    Charlie Spencer Short tracks and road courses rule.

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  24. Cholo

    Cholo Team Owner

    Single car.
  25. ChexOrWrex

    ChexOrWrex Ya gotta wanna

    “We’re being put in this situation.” Everyone wants to be a victim. Steve acting like his show business focused qualifying rules didnt create this monster.

    You do understand that post is 100% satire right?
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  26. gnomesayin

    gnomesayin Team Owner

    One quality I like about Steve Phelps is that even with his marketing and sales background, this isn't his approach. He's the guy who said that NASCAR "lost our way" and other remarks to that effect. Even though I think that's a harsh characterization, the candor inspires a lot more confidence than stonewalling from figures like O'Donnell. To hear him tell it, everything is always as great as can be, and when it changes radically, that's even better. Anyone who offers a differing opinion is a traitor who should get lost, and the root of all problems is dissent.
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  27. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    I really don't know where you guys come up with this stuff

    Single car “won’t be popular with some of the owners, but unfortunately, we’re being put in this position,” O’Donnell said.
  28. Team Penske

    Team Penske Team Owner

    Just have 2 practices then qualify and lock up the cars for the start of the race.
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  29. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    that's what they have been doing for years with an impound race.
  30. gnomesayin

    gnomesayin Team Owner

    The issue is the "we're being put in this position" blame shifting. No, you put yourselves in this position due to your own choices. Own it. The accountable answer is "We didn't anticipate the way group qualifying at drafting tracks would proceed with the new rules package. We're going to fix it and get it right, bear with us." That defuses the dissatisfaction and demonstrates actual leadership, rather than trying to cast blame at outside sources or down the food chain. It's simple, but requires a level of confidence and security. My opinion is Phelps has it, and Jim France likely has it too, at least behind closed doors when dealing with stakeholders. Brian France is a prime example of someone who didn't have it at all.
  31. Simple Fan

    Simple Fan First or Last

    Still the best thought that has been presented to fix group qualifying.
  32. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    how do you know it wasn't the owners idea in the first place? Pretty easy to access blame, but if you don't know all of the facts in the situation, it's good business practice to keep your mouth shut I have found. Besides the owners wanting it, it is the teams and the drivers who are playing chicken on pit road.

    O’Donnell replied “absolutely” when asked whether he was angered by the incessant controversy and openly wondered whether drivers were trying to subvert the process.
    “I think it’s ridiculous, candidly,” he said. “I know the drivers did not like this qualifying before the season. Part of you says, ‘Are we doing this on purpose to get rid of it?’ I know it can be done. I know we have the best drivers in the world and crew chiefs to figure it out. We seem to want to outdo each other, and that results in sitting on pit road.
    O’Donnell said any switch would be met by resistance from team owners who lobbied for group qualifying to help hold down costs. A move to single-car qualifying would mean teams focusing on more expensive and specialized parts and pieces.
    “If we have to go back to single car, simple,” he said. “We’ll do that. It won’t be popular with some of the owners, but unfortunately, we’re getting put in this position.”
  33. ChexOrWrex

    ChexOrWrex Ya gotta wanna

    Some big name owners might get peeved but smaller team owners will have their team highlighted for 2 laps. Thats two laps more than what press they recieve on Sunday.
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  34. Team Penske

    Team Penske Team Owner

    I know, that's where I got the idea. Saves a lot of money and time making a car special for qualifying. That is where all the extra money went. To cut cost, cut out the qualifying car and just use the race car.
  35. AdoubleU24

    AdoubleU24 Team Owner

  36. Ventisca

    Ventisca Team Owner Contributor

    NASCAR has moved action off the track and into the Pits -- doesn't matter if it is jockeying for Pit Road parking spots during Quals or handing out Pit Road penalties during the race.

    France family feeding off the TV contract teat while treating NASCAR Fans like chumps --

    as NASCAR interlocutors blame their performers for getting tangled in a web of shifting rules NASCAR has created...
  37. 2 Sweet

    2 Sweet Legend

    Exactly. Another big reason why single car qualifying was much better than the BS we have now.
  38. AdoubleU24

    AdoubleU24 Team Owner

    The only negative to them going back to single car now is the half dead motors they're running. Those old videos of these guys hauling the mail around the 1.5s for 2 laps are so sick to watch. Who in the hell thought that was boring?!

    Never again, unfortunately.
  39. Zerkfitting

    Zerkfitting Team Owner

    Should qualifying be entertaining or a fair method to establish the starting order?
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  40. Charlie Spencer

    Charlie Spencer Short tracks and road courses rule.

    It may indeed have been the owners' idea. It may have been the drivers. It may have been somebody here.

    Regardless of who's idea it is, only the leader can make the decision to implement it. He's where the buck stops, regardless of who thought it up.
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