What should NASCAR do with Qualifying?

Discussion in 'NASCAR chat' started by Turtle84, Mar 30, 2019.

  1. Charlie Spencer

    Charlie Spencer Short tracks and road courses rule.

    Yeah, but how would NASCAR codify it? Is it going to be a judgment call like football's pass interference, or pushing too long at a plate race in the X series? Again, how many cars make a pack? Two?
  2. Spotter22

    Spotter22 Team Owner

    Who cares if they draft? If they can hook it up , more power to ya
  3. kyle busch 18

    kyle busch 18 Jackman

    I just found out the used to do qualifying 1 at a time. Man that sounds so much better than the crap we are doing right now. Maybe they will go back?
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  4. Team Penske

    Team Penske Team Owner

    Nascar can ( if they have the balls) to fix this. Open the track for 1 hour, (Just like a final practice)
    and after an hour all cars impounded until the start of the race. You race what you had including starting on those tires.
    The games will stop.
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  5. 4tires17gals

    4tires17gals Team Owner

    lottery or bingo ball
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  6. Charlie Spencer

    Charlie Spencer Short tracks and road courses rule.

    I agree with you except for the tires.
  7. Team Penske

    Team Penske Team Owner

    I'll split it with you and give them two right side tires.:D
  8. Charlie Spencer

    Charlie Spencer Short tracks and road courses rule.

    Two tires but the team gets to pick which side, and that's my final offer!! :p
  9. Thegeneral23

    Thegeneral23 Team Owner

    How about throw out all the gimmicks and just let cars go one by one and so who puts down the fastest lap.. all this other stuff is just dumb
  10. FearThe4

    FearThe4 Team Owner

    I think Nascar will end up doing that but it will take them awhile to get the message lol.
  11. Turtle84

    Turtle84 IG model

    I think single car is the overwhelming consensus here, despite any increase in cost from race to qualifying trim. Having 1 fast lap determine the starting lineup seems to be felt strongly by the fans.
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  12. Charlie Spencer

    Charlie Spencer Short tracks and road courses rule.

    Single car isn't my first choice, but it's much better than what we've seen at the larger tracks so far this season. As a fantasy player, I think multiple laps do a better job of predicting performance during the race. What we've been seeing is a great predictor of declining interest in qualifying. Single car would seem to be the method that could be implemented in the fastest, easiest, and most understandable way.
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  13. AdoubleU24

    AdoubleU24 Team Owner

  14. Ventisca

    Ventisca Team Owner

    The race should be complicated -- keeping up with the track, car damage, strategy, pit road perfection/incidents/mistakes, etc


    Ideally for me:

    Qualifying should be an uncomplicated straight forward, close to race set up, single-car time trial -- man and machine executing the fastest lap without assistance or interference from other cars, preferably straight to impound but with a tire change (so it doesn't penalize teams for any Qualifying tire wear).

    You get your starting order, pit stall, and picture taken with track girl --

    That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
  15. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    I agree with Tony about too many rules. The uncontrolled tire rule continues to put too much control and attention to a non issue With less pit people this year, I think they have their hands full enough without trying to be tire ballerinas
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  16. Switchback

    Switchback Team Owner

    The only drawback imo to single car qualifying was the big advantage a late draw could give you at some tracks. With group qualifying, they are all on the "same" track in equal conditions. With that said, group qualifying with draft style racing are a disaster that needs to go away. They need to remove at least one of those aspects......
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  17. kyle18fan

    kyle18fan Proud member of Rowdy Nation Contributor

    They used to do that, it was fine
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  18. Turtle84

    Turtle84 IG model

    This isn't really related, but if you were lucky enough to get an early draw as a lesser team, you'd sometimes get on camera for two whole laps, other times they would just use you as the commercial break.

    Nowadays, some of the backmarkers fire off early in round 1 to guarantee tv time and sponsor exposure (intended or unintended). This 5/5/5 minute kills that idea, as they only focus on the big dogs from the drop.
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  19. Head423

    Head423 Crew Chief

    Heard on the Door,Bumper,Clear podcast yesterday that they’re saying it’s going back to single car qualifying everywhere except road courses. Freddie Kraft (43 spotter) and TJ Majors (22 spotter) were the ones talking about it. They didn’t seem to happy about it but I am.
  20. AuzGrams

    AuzGrams Team Owner

    **** yeah.

    If so, finally a good move for NASCAR. Finally. Single car qualifying is awesome.
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  21. RacerrecaR

    RacerrecaR Orange cone

    It was awesome. This low horsepower package will likely create boring single-car qualifying runs. They should have just went the heat race route
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  22. AuzGrams

    AuzGrams Team Owner

    No different than watching Truck Series qualifying which nobody seems to have a problem with.

    Qualifying isn't supposed to be the most exciting thing ever.
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  23. Larsonfan1995

    Larsonfan1995 Team Owner

    Heat races only work if you're sending cars home
  24. RacerrecaR

    RacerrecaR Orange cone

    Very true. Heat races would work if NOBODY was safe from elimination and I think it would be great for the sport. Have the heat races a few hours before the green flag so that fans in attendance get more bang for their buck. If someone wrecks but still makes the show, they will have enough time to prepare their backup car.
  25. Turtle84

    Turtle84 IG model

    Good, it will expose "the package" for what it is, and we'll have a small chance of nascar seeing the light.
  26. Turtle84

    Turtle84 IG model

    Would be cool to see. They'd never go for EVERYONE being up for elimination though, the darlings and the sponsors.
  27. Ventisca

    Ventisca Team Owner

    Charter scheme
  28. AdoubleU24

    AdoubleU24 Team Owner

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  29. AndyMarquisLive

    AndyMarquisLive Short Track Fanatic

  30. FLRacingFan

    FLRacingFan Team Owner

    Ha. Knockout qualifying was supposedly implemented at the behest of the broadcasters, yet now single-car qualifying is a preferable TV product. I think the use of the 'ghost car' and the traditional real-time qualifying ticker are good, as well as the increased exposure for individual drivers (even if it takes longer), but it's funny that for the past several years we were told otherwise.

    It'll also be interesting to see just how wide-open, or close to it, the drivers actually are with this intermediate aero and power.
  31. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    Good, they are going to use the ghost car also. Best of two laps for the short tracks.

    “Another interesting aspect is every team has a good shot of getting covered during the qualifying session. We’re building in a few two-minute breaks to where TV can get some spots in and not break away from live action. That’s one of the goals in this, and I think with those designated spots and breaks we will be able to present almost a whole qualifying session live without going away.”
    They are going to take the top 20 from last weeks race and have them draw for their spot in position and the run those 20 cars last in qualifying order.
    Last edited: May 1, 2019
  32. gnomesayin

    gnomesayin Team Owner

    Good decision. Multi-round knockout qualifying itself was not necessarily a bad format, but it is unworkable with the package they are currently using. There is nothing wrong with single car time trials, keep it simple stupid.

    I will reserve my snark for anyone who told us that this year's mess was:

    a. So entertaining.
    b. Helpful because everyone is talking about it.
    c. The teams' or drivers' fault.

  33. ToyYoda

    ToyYoda Team Owner

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  34. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    starting now this weekend at Dover in all three series. Love how they are running the show these days.
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  35. AdoubleU24

    AdoubleU24 Team Owner

    How long until people complain that single car is boring again because the cars lack power, speed, and are glued to the track? This could be the ultimate "we told you so!" trick by NASCAR. Change it back, wait for the complainers, reverse the change, and never look back again - ultimately getting their way they wanted all along.
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  36. gnomesayin

    gnomesayin Team Owner

    I think it is more likely that in the next couple years, we are heading toward cars that aren't wide open for qualifying again. I see a ray of hope.
  37. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    the ghost car will help, nice to see how and where a driver gains or loses time. Great thing for the fans that go for the technical aspects of the sport. And there is some show bidness involved with the last fast twenty drawing spots. Whiners are going to whine regardless. They always find something it seems.
  38. AndyMarquisLive

    AndyMarquisLive Short Track Fanatic

    One thing I've always liked about single car qualifying, once it became televised, is that every single driver got airtime. You learned something about every driver on the track. Knockout qualifying was just another reason to give the TV networks to just talk about Kyle Busch, the Penske duo, Kevin Harvick, Martin Truex and Chase Elliott.

    Hopefully next up, the cars will get a little more parity and we could see someone like a Matt DiBenedetto or Chris Buescher qualify on the pole one race.
  39. ChexOrWrex

    ChexOrWrex Ya gotta wanna

    This is good news. Kudos to NASCAR.
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  40. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    Preece for instance and Hemric are in the 20 that will draw for spots. Both of those guys it won't hurt to get some air time, Lajoie, Sorenson finished in the top 20 also. Yeah they aren't going to set the world on fire, but recognizing a good finish by guys that don't run up front can't hurt anything, and I can't help but wonder if that will motivate guys to try hard to get into the top 20 for next week's qualifying

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