Xfinity RACE thread --- Darlington

jws926 said:
Harvick kind of alluded to that, he said he couldn't do anything because of the air , turning the wheel did nothing, not word for word of course.
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It looked like Chastain had plenty of room to move up off of Harvick. Maybe he thought he was pinching him down, I don’t know.
I do know that Ross learned more today than did Kevin.
 
BobbyFord said:
It looked like Chastain had plenty of room to move up off of Harvick. Maybe he thought he was pinching him down, I don’t know.
I do know that Ross learned more today than did Kevin.
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Two drivers being aggressive and going for the lead , that's what it comes down , and that is what the fan's pay to see. Not taking any sides yet lol
 
BobbyFord said:
Looking at the 42/98 video again, I think one could argue that the 42 probably helped pull the 98 around by staying that close to his right rear quarter.
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That was my point in post #62 - Chastain stopped racing the track. It's easy for me to say from Ft. Living Room, but he probably should have yielded the lead instead of getting between the #98 and the lap-down #40. I realize he's young, running in the best equipment he's likely ever been in, leading, and hunting a playoff berth. It seems to me he lost sight of the bigger goal - demonstrate what he's capable of in good gear and attracting the attention of someone who can put him in a better seat on a full-time basis. Who know, maybe he was able to do that anyway. But he also lost sight of how much good 2nd or 3rd place would have done for his playoff qualifications.

But he had every right to race as he did, with no obligation to make room for Harvick. Learning to pick your battles is one reason guys run in a developmental series, even after they're running Cup. If Harvick is expecting inexperienced drivers to make experienced decisions, he's going to be disappointed regularly. I seem to recall some ill-advised choices on his part 16 or 17 years ago.
 
Never before seen a wreck where two guys rub doors and get together and the guy who turns the other guy head on into the wall is considered the victim in the situation.

#nascarlogic
 
Charlie Spencer said:
That was my point in post #62 - Chastain stopped racing the track. It's easy for me to say from Ft. Living Room, but he probably should have yielded the lead instead of getting between the #98 and the lap-down #40. I realize he's young, running in the best equipment he's likely ever been in, leading, and hunting a playoff berth. It seems to me he lost sight of the bigger goal - demonstrate what he's capable of in good gear and attracting the attention of someone who can put him in a better seat on a full-time basis. Who know, maybe he was able to do that anyway. He also lost sight of how much good 2nd or 3rd place would have done for his playoff qualifications.

But he had every right to race as he did, with no obligation to make room for Harvick. Learning to pick your battles is one reason guys run in a developmental series, even after they're running Cup. If Harvick is expecting inexperienced drivers to make experienced decisions, he's going to be disappointed regularly. I seem to recall some ill-advised choices on his part 16 or 17 years ago.
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I think we the fans got robbed a bit on that deal, too. I would’ve preferred watching that play out without the wreck. Up until then it was some pretty damn good racing.
 
BobbyFord said:
I think we the fans got robbed a bit on that deal, too. I would’ve preferred watching that play out without the wreck. Up until then it was some pretty damn good racing.
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Oh, for sure. I pin that one on the #40's spotter who didn't tell his driver to move down. I was hoping they'd run side by side enough to let Kez close in.
 
The 98 and 42 both lost, the 42 was the big loser. Plus the 42 made a big enemy using that hook on the 98.
 
I've watched the replay many times, Chastain was right smack dab in the fastest groove and in the lead, Harvick gave that no respect, he didn't have the pass made or even close to having it made.His ego got the best of him and not only did he not respect the leader, he over drove his ability. Larson did the same thing to KDB and look where that got him, Chastain did the same to Harvick.
 
Taco said:
The 98 and 42 both lost, the 42 was the big loser. Plus the 42 made a big enemy using that hook on the 98.
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what does a cupper care, they are only in the race to scarf up owner points and the money. Ross was racing for a championship, just another of the many reasons cuppers don't belong. They screw up the full timers races and blame it on them for their mistakes.
 
Cup drivers say they need to be there so the young guys learn to race, but when the young guys actually race them they pitch a fit.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
That was my point in post #62 - Chastain stopped racing the track. It's easy for me to say from Ft. Living Room, but he probably should have yielded the lead instead of getting between the #98 and the lap-down #40. I realize he's young, running in the best equipment he's likely ever been in, leading, and hunting a playoff berth. It seems to me he lost sight of the bigger goal - demonstrate what he's capable of in good gear and attracting the attention of someone who can put him in a better seat on a full-time basis. Who know, maybe he was able to do that anyway. But he also lost sight of how much good 2nd or 3rd place would have done for his playoff qualifications.

But he had every right to race as he did, with no obligation to make room for Harvick. Learning to pick your battles is one reason guys run in a developmental series, even after they're running Cup. If Harvick is expecting inexperienced drivers to make experienced decisions, he's going to be disappointed regularly. I seem to recall some ill-advised choices on his part 16 or 17 years ago.
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Hmmm.. I remember this almost identical incident very well from 2005 with Harvick. The roles were reversed, and Harvick reacted the exact same way as Chastain! Even kept pushing Kyle after they wrecked. He doesn't have much room to complain in my opinion.

 
StandOnIt said:
I've watched the replay many times, Chastain was right smack dab in the fastest groove and in the lead, Harvick gave that no respect, he didn't have the pass made or even close to having it made.His ego got the best of him and not only did he not respect the leader, he over drove his ability. Larson did the same thing to KDB and look where that got him, Chastain did the same to Harvick.
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I agree. It looked like Harvick got under the leader and drove him up behind a lapper, forcing Chastain to lift. Chastain returned the favor and drove against Kevins door, and Harvick refused to lift and ran him into the wall.

I still think the hook was a bad career move.
 
FenderBumper said:
I agree. It looked like Harvick got under the leader and drove him up behind a lapper, forcing Chastain to lift. Chastain returned the favor and drove against Kevins door, and Harvick refused to lift and ran him into the wall.

I still think the hook was a bad career move.
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This is what I saw as well.

The hook to me was a signal to the Cup guys to get the **** out and stop ruining regular’s chances at points and wins.
 
ChexOrWrex said:
This is what I saw as well.

The hook to me was a signal to the Cup guys to get the **** out and stop ruining regular’s chances at points and wins.
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I thought it was entertaining. Both cars were wrecked already. Kez left tire marks as he made a great move to avoid Harvick. If he hadn't, a regular may have won.
 
Kevin is now persona non grata - until Kyle Busch, Stenhouse or Hamlin does something to distract the lynch mob again.
 
ChexOrWrex said:
This is what I saw as well.

The hook to me was a signal to the Cup guys to get the **** out and stop ruining regular’s chances at points and wins.
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And yet a Cup guy won. I guess everyone didn’t get the message.
Step up your game if you want to win is always what I subscribed to when I was racing. I remember the first time and the exact corner where I passed a factory rider and pulled away.
 
It's nice that everyone in this thread is in agreement as to what happened who is to blame.
 
BobbyFord said:
And yet a Cup guy won. I guess everyone didn’t get the message.
Step up your game if you want to win is always what I subscribed to when I was racing. I remember the first time and the exact corner where I passed a factory rider and pulled away.
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Then you woke up
 
Harvick caused a rookie to make a mistake.
It’s a vintage veteran move.
What’s not to like?
Chastain has never won a single NASCAR race. Today we saw why. He seems like a talented kid. I’m not a betting guy but I bet he doesn’t do that again.
 
BobbyFord said:
And yet a Cup guy won. I guess everyone didn’t get the message.
Step up your game if you want to win is always what I subscribed to when I was racing. I remember the first time and the exact corner where I passed a factory rider and pulled away.
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Youre right. If Ross, or anyone for that matter, simply stepped their game up they can outrun cup champions who are racing with much higher funded teams.

Easy.
 
ChexOrWrex said:
Youre right. If Ross, or anyone for that matter, simply stepped their game up they can outrun cup champions who are racing with much higher funded teams.

Easy.
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You’re never gonna get faster racing bums.
Should he have lifted and waited for one of the Xfin regulars to get up there?
 
StandOnIt said:
I've watched the replay many times, Chastain was right smack dab in the fastest groove and in the lead, Harvick gave that no respect, he didn't have the pass made or even close to having it made.His ego got the best of him and not only did he not respect the leader, he over drove his ability. Larson did the same thing to KDB and look where that got him, Chastain did the same to Harvick.
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Well put.
 
StandOnIt said:
I've watched the replay many times, Chastain was right smack dab in the fastest groove and in the lead, Harvick gave that no respect, he didn't have the pass made or even close to having it made.His ego got the best of him and not only did he not respect the leader, he over drove his ability. Larson did the same thing to KDB and look where that got him, Chastain did the same to Harvick.
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Harvick could end up being the bigger loser because he now has another enemy on the race track who will give him no respect.
 
Wrangler1 said:
Chastain hooked Harvick in the right rear. Indefensible move.
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I thought it was a very good move and I'll bet Harvick got the message that his play off races could get much harder even from lap down cars.
 
Team Penske said:
Harvick could end up being the bigger loser because he now has another enemy on the race track who will give him no respect.
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...that will likely never be in a quality racecar.
When do you suppose Harvick and Chastain will see each other again on the same racetrack?
 
BobbyFord said:
...that will likely never be in a quality racecar.
When do you suppose Harvick and Chastain will see each other again on the same racetrack?
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When Harvick is trying to put him more laps down. The fast cars always race the slowest for a brief moment when lapping them.
 
Team Penske said:
I thought it was a very good move and I'll bet Harvick got the message that his play off races could get much harder even from lap down cars.
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Is Ross Chastain likely to have an impact on Harvick’s playoff efforts? Or does Chastain have a clandestine group of Cup drivers plotting diabolical retaliation for Harvick’s efforts to clip Ross’s non-existent Xfin Championship possibilities?
 
Harvick is the epitome of a fake tough guy.All the years I have seen him and his act I don't ever recall him throwing a punch.I saw him do the playground stuff,pushing someone into another.I watched it several times and it looks like Airwick expected Chastain to lift and give hime the position but we saw the result of Chastain fighting back on the outside and having the preferred line.
 
machinistman3 said:
Harvick is the epitome of a fake tough guy.All the years I have seen him and his act I don't ever recall him throwing a punch.I saw him do the playground stuff,pushing someone into another.I watched it several times and it looks like Airwick expected Chastain to lift and give hime the position but we saw the result of Chastain fighting back on the outside and having the preferred line.
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Pretty sure Harvick has a wrestling background and isn’t afraid to scrap.
 
Haven’t finished the race yet so hiding from the posts here. But how about “Watermelon boy”? I knew this kid would kill it.


“Just trying to drive it like Kyle...”
 
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